Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?

[myscrnnm]

In terms of design people including me are still complaining about the antenna bands because no other apple product has them, they are thick and look amateurish.

One has to ask, are Apple...Slipping?

Actually, the cellular-capable iPads and Wi-Fi-equipped iPod touches have large plastic portions on their cases as well for better reception. Apple simply chose to use bands on the iPhone 6 for symmetry. It was one or the other. I'll agree it's unsightly, but worse things have happened.

Is Apple slipping? Maybe. The iPhone 6 could have had an internal frame for structural rigidity and there's no reason why iOS 8.0.1 should have made cellular reception inoperable. But this is far from Apple's "darkest moment". That would be the 90s.

 

[samiznaetekto]

 

[Bahroo]

No. But I think it's your dumbest moment. After all that and you still bought the phone?

I love how he says that the iPhone 6 and Plus is using outdated old tech, every single thing about the new iPhones is superior to the competition basically right now

Apple A8 GPU (GX6450) is directly on par/sometimes beats the Adreno 420 in the Snapdragon 805


The Apple A8 64 bit dual core CPU is easily better then the latest and greatest right now and offers CPU performance similar to a K1 Denver 64 bit SoC (2.5 GHZ Dual core)

And considering the K1 is only in tablets right now and no phone, Apple A8 takes the cake

Also with the new iPhones having the best smartphone cameras on the market (DxO says this and they are beyond reputable and certified to claim this

And DisplayMate labels the new iPhone 6 screen panels ("the best LCD displays ever put in a smartphone")

The phone offers 20 LTE bands also, (S5 for the record only has 7 LTE bands) these new iPhones truly are world phones

So what exactly is outdated in the new iPhones? It just gets me a little mad when people spew nonsense saying the new iPhones are outdated and have outdated hardware LOL

 

[CosmoPilot]

Bendgate is a non-issue. Consumers should be smart enough to know a glass covered 7mm thin computer is capable of breaking/bending when subjected to extreme force! Period!

In terms of iOS, I was actually impressed at how well 8.0 worked out the gate. I'm not defending Apple, but iOS 8 is a significant departure from all previous iOS versions. At WWDC in June, Apple basically told the world they are opening the curtain a bit to allow more functionality (extensibility, notification widgets, 3rd party keyboards, etc.). With such a vast array of changes, I actually expected more speed bumps.

Now iOS 8.0.1 is a different story. This should not have been released...period! Somewhere along the line, Apple dropped the ball in evaluating and testing it.

With that said, 2 months from now we will be on a flawless version of iOS 8.X and life will be good and the short term memory of the public will move on to something else.

Apple has dropped the ball before but they always make it right and the public forgives and forgets.

 

[Mortalias]

I'm not sure I would say a company with $170 billion in annual revenue and $207 billion in total assets is in the 'darkest' moment of its history. They sold 10 million devices in a matter of 3 days.

This is not to say Apple is without faults. I agree the antennas are unsightly. iOS 8.1 is a disastrous error. But they are making these mistakes because they've grown into more of a massive company than they've been in the past. One whose customer base grows every day. That does not excuse them whatsoever. But it does help explain them.

They are having a hard time adjusting to the scale of their operations, and are suffering from bad PR as a result. But darkest moment? No, far from it.

 

[Retired Cat]

Not even close to Apple's darkest moment.

Anyone who remembers the early to mid 1990's can tell you of the utter disarray and despair. Apple's product line was a mess, its leadership questionable, and the future of MacOS was highly in doubt. I was a Windows user back then, but I always wanted the pricier Mac, and was sad to see Apple floundering.

The return of Steve Jobs, and the addition of NeXT, was what saved the company.

 

[StevenT42]

Does no one remember Gil Amelio?

 

[JoeTomasone]

You forgot a couple of BIG under the hood changes:

• New Swift language for Apps
• Opening up TouchID for 3rd party apps (allowing better security for things like Apple Pay)
• Metal for graphics performance
• HomeKit

Yeah, and there's tons more I could have added, but I think the point was made.

Point of order, however: Swift isn't really an iOS feature, per se.

 

[itsmemuffins]

I love how he says that the iPhone 6 and Plus is using outdated old tech, every single thing about the new iPhones is superior to the competition basically right now

Apple A8 GPU (GX6650) is directly on par/sometimes beats the Adreno 420 in the Snapdragon 805


The Apple A8 64 bit dual core CPU is easily better then the latest and greatest right now and offers CPU performance similar to a K1 Denver 64 bit SoC (2.5 GHZ Dual core)

And considering the K1 is only in tablets right now and no phone, Apple A8 takes the cake

Also with the new iPhones having the best smartphone cameras on the market (DxO says this and they are beyond reputable and certified to claim this

And DisplayMate labels the new iPhone 6 screen panels ("the best LCD displays ever put in a smartphone")

The phone offers 20 LTE bands also, (S5 for the record only has 7 LTE bands) these new iPhones truly are world phones

So what exactly is outdated in the new iPhones? It just gets me a little mad when people spew nonsense saying the new iPhones are outdated and have outdated hardware LOL

Exactly. half the time I'm thinking Samsung is running the accounts...

 

[appleii.c]

Yeah, and there's tons more I could have added, but I think the point was made.

Point of order, however: Swift isn't really an iOS feature, per se.

Well, you are correct. It's not technically an iOS8 "feature", but you could argue that NFC is not an iOS 8 feature either. But, iOS 8 has added the ability to USE both those technologies, therefore I would consider them to be a benefit of iOS 8.

Either way, you made some valid points that I think most are overlooking, and those are the "under-the-hood" changes that make it better. Good post.

 

[gully666uk]

I think it's darkest moment is around 12 midnight.

 

[Konvictz]

The iOS 8 and 8.0.1 were surprising and legitimate screw-ups coming from Apple. They need to fix that ASAP.

The bending thing is pretty much a non-issue. A handful of people without any evidence or testing to show how their devices got bent were able to just snowball that one into a story.

So you dont believe the bending, even though Apple themselves confirmed it?

A bit worrying dont you think so many cases and the phone has only been out a few days.

 

[myscrnnm]

So you dont believe the bending, even though Apple themselves confirmed it?

A bit worrying dont you think so many cases and the phone has only been out a few days.

I believe in the bending, and I believe Apple when they say they've had nine people come forward. I was certainly worried a bit when you consider the phone has only been out for a week. But we also have to keep in mind that ten million iPhone 6s were sold, most of which are probably in use now. Went to the Apple Store today to find bent demo units, and not a single 6 or 6 Plus I tried had any noticeable bending. It's true that the 6 Plus's structural design is "flawed" when compared with other phones in the market of the same size class. But under normal conditions, it seems perfectly sound.

 

[Radiating]

As a person who has purchased the iphone 6 plus 128gb I have a right to speak about this as a customer.

Apple has had 2 years to perfect the design, the cpu, ram, screen they are all old technology.

This is completely untrue. The CPU is a ground breaking design that uses half as much power as is the norm. It would be like making a car that gets 200 MPG and complaining that gasoline engines are old technology and this 200 MPG engine is nothing special. Making this statement shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

The screen is also ground breaking, there was no such thing as a large phone display with the brightness sharpness and color accuracy of the iPhone 6 screen. It is literally the best display in the world in it's class as tests show. And again it's ground breaking.

The ram is old news, but on the other two points you made you are way off.

Of course iOS is unique to them. However you paint it, all other phones are not bending (including the iphone 6) where as the plus is.

The bending issue has been debunked countless times, and seems to be completely pointless to your argument.

In terms of design people including me are still complaining about the antenna bands because no other apple product has them, they are thick and look amateurish.

Right because dollar store leather phones (Note), or oversized dollar store golf ball phones (S5) are so much higher end than precision fitted precision machined anodized aluminum.

People have been wanting more than 1gb of ram, and the very COMMON tab reloading issue has been identified as a memory limitation. This is annoying when competitor phones have 3gb of ram now.

Except it's not a one to one comparison. iOS is around 2 times more efficient than Android when it comes to ram usage, if not more than 2 times as efficient in some cases. So while numbers like 2GB and 3GB sound more advanced, they're either the same or worse, than Apple's 1GB offerings.

My understanding is all manufacturers subject their devices through numerous and thorough stress tests. Samsung do this without doubt and there are even videos showing this. The question that arises is why wasnt this bending issue noted by the quality control team?

Because the bending issue was invented sensationalist media and doesn't actually exist in the real world normally. The chances of having your iPhone 6 plus bend are 200 times less likely than the chances of being struck by lightning. What you should be asking yourself is, why doesn't the iPhone 6 plus protect you from lightning strikes better?

I dont even want to talk about the ios8 issues. I simply do not understand why there are so many issues, the hardware is pretty much the same as before, 64 bit dual core, just smaller and clocked slightly higher. iOS 8 is pretty much similar to iOS7. Again why wasnt this tested?

Have you ever actually written any sort of a computer program? I don't think so.

Computer programs are made up of code. For example iOS 8 has around 15 million lines of code. If even just one particularly important character in one of those 15 million lines is wrong you would have a bug. Even if that character or command is 100% right, but it interacts with some other command in an unforeseen way (and there are billions of interactions) you may have an error.

As someone who has written computer programs I find it incredibly astonishing that iOS 8 worked so well out of the box. You don't seem to understand that this level of quality, requires that 99.999999999999999% of the code be free from error.

I think that it is very acceptable that Apple's code only exhibits errors in only one in one trillion parts.

iPhone brings 70% of Apple's income. There have been bad iphone situations like the antenna problem and 5s shortage etc but in its somewhat short history I dont remember a situation this appalling.

One has to ask, are Apple...Slipping?

So let me get this straight, you're unhappy because you think ground breaking technology is nothing special, that the best design in the world is nothing special, one of the rarest problems in the world - something that only affects people one out of a million times - is a serious problem, and that some of the most error free code in the world is too buggy.


I have two 128gb iPhone 6 Plus (one for work and one for business). My phones aren't bent, I appreciate the design, I have not experienced any software bugs, and I think that the ground breaking efficiency of the CPU and therefore battery life, and the ground breaking screen are both amazing advancements, and solve real problems that I was annoyed with every day. Not to mention the ground breaking camera too.

I had a Note 3 and I had horrible battery life, because the processor was very inefficient, and I'd get around 25% charge at the end of the day, the 6 leaves me with 40%, and sometimes it lasts two days. And let me tell you about the amazing wonders of having 3GB of ram, the magical huge amount that was so seemingly magical. I used 80-90% of that 3GB all the time, and was constantly experiencing low ram problems. While with the paltry 1GB in the 6 Plus, I only use 60% of that ram. Now I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure that having 3GB and running like total junk, is worse than having 1GB and only rarely having problems. Would 2GB be nice on the 6+? Yes, but it's not really about the size of your equipment, it's how you use it that counts. And let me tell you about the old technology of the iPhone 6+ screen, the note 3 has a pen tile 1080p display, which basically means that it really has a 720p display with a few extra pixels that can sort of trick you into sort of looking like 1080p in the same way as an upscaling DVD player totally looks as good as a real blu ray. Which is why the Note 3 displays pictures with slightly more cleanness than embroidery on a table cloth.

Anyways. I don't think that there is a problem with the way Apple is designing devices. I think that the problem is you. Hope that clears things up.

 

[Konvictz]

This is completely untrue. The CPU is a ground breaking design that uses half as much power as is the norm. It would be like making a car that gets 200 MPG and complaining that gasoline engines are old technology and this 200 MPG engine is nothing special. Making this statement shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

The screen is also ground breaking, there was no such thing as a large phone display with the brightness sharpness and color accuracy of the iPhone 6 screen. It is literally the best display in the world in it's class as tests show. And again it's ground breaking.

The ram is old news, but on the other two points you made you are way off.




The bending issue has been debunked countless times, and seems to be completely pointless to your argument.




Right because dollar store leather phones (Note), or oversized dollar store golf ball phones (S5) are so much higher end than precision fitted precision machined anodized aluminum.



Except it's not a one to one comparison. iOS is around 2 times more efficient than Android when it comes to ram usage, if not more than 2 times as efficient in some cases. So while numbers like 2GB and 3GB sound more advanced, they're either the same or worse, than Apple's 1GB offerings.





Because the bending issue was invented sensationalist media and doesn't actually exist in the real world normally. The chances of having your iPhone 6 plus bend are 200 times less likely than the chances of being struck by lightning. What you should be asking yourself is, why doesn't the iPhone 6 plus protect you from lightning strikes better?



Have you ever actually written any sort of a computer program? I don't think so.

Computer programs are made up of code. For example iOS 8 has around 15 million lines of code. If even just one particularly important character in one of those 15 million lines is wrong you would have a bug. Even if that character or command is 100% right, but it interacts with some other command in an unforeseen way (and there are billions of interactions) you may have an error.

As someone who has written computer programs I find it incredibly astonishing that iOS 8 worked so well out of the box. You don't seem to understand that this level of quality, requires that 99.999999999999999% of the code be free from error.

I think that it is very acceptable that Apple's code only exhibits errors in only one in one trillion parts.



So let me get this straight, you're unhappy because you think ground breaking technology is nothing special, that the best design in the world is nothing special, one of the rarest problems in the world - something that only affects people one out of a million times - is a serious problem, and that some of the most error free code in the world is too buggy.


I have two 128gb iPhone 6 Plus (one for work and one for business). My phones aren't bent, I appreciate the design, I have not experienced any software bugs, and I think that the ground breaking efficiency of the CPU and therefore battery life, and the ground breaking screen are both amazing advancements, and solve real problems that I was annoyed with every day. Not to mention the ground breaking camera too.

I had a Note 3 and I had horrible battery life, because the processor was very inefficient, and I'd get around 25% charge at the end of the day, the 6 leaves me with 40%, and sometimes it lasts two days. And let me tell you about the amazing wonders of having 3GB of ram, the magical huge amount that was so seemingly magical. I used 80-90% of that 3GB all the time, and was constantly experiencing low ram problems. While with the paltry 1GB in the 6 Plus, I only use 60% of that ram. Now I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure that having 3GB and running like total junk, is worse than having 1GB and only rarely having problems. Would 2GB be nice on the 6+? Yes, but it's not really about the size of your equipment, it's how you use it that counts. And let me tell you about the old technology of the iPhone 6+ screen, the note 3 has a pen tile 1080p display, which basically means that it really has a 720p display with a few extra pixels that can sort of trick you into sort of looking like 1080p in the same way as an upscaling DVD player totally looks as good as a real blu ray. Which is why the Note 3 displays pictures with slightly more cleanness than embroidery on a table cloth.

Anyways. I don't think that there is a problem with the way Apple is designing devices. I think that the problem is you. Hope that clears things up.

I have no idea what I'm talking about? You have proven with your post it is you who actually does not have a clue.

In terms of performance, the 6 is similar to the 5s, if I was talking about efficiency, I would have said, which I clearly didn't. You might think improving a cpu's efficiency is ground breaking, but if you heard of intel or amd, it is what they do very regularly, currently intel's i7 is around 22 nm, it was a lot bigger before. And if you need further evidence, normally Apple themselves talk about how much faster their cpu is, this time they only focused on the efficiency. So your clearly wrong on that point.

I wasnt talking about android when I talked about the 1gb of ram. For your information the VERY COMMON tab reloading issue has been directly attributed to memory limitation. Who said anything about android here? The problem existed before the iphone 6, iphone 6 has 1gb of ram, the problem continues, in fact the problem has gotten worse because there is more data to store because of the increased resolutions. But somehow you seem to be worshipping Apple and agree with everything they do, or are you one of these people who believe in magic and believe things like extra ram can be 'installed' through software. Please, again you failed to acknowledge my point, and again you are simply, wrong.

And lol your asking me if I have done any coding, firstly I am a mathematics student so I'm not a computer programmer, but its safe to say I will completely destroy you on this point. I made my first program using visual basic when I was 13, the age I built my first computer. I am fluent in visual basic (good language to start programming, the language is almost like english), c++, a bit of java and of course html the baby useless language. I probably know more about programming than you, I have written many procedures and functions dealing with all kind of parameters, and designed small level programs.

So your saying I dont understand? If your trying to tell me that every bit of ios8 was re written, all 15 million lines of it, then my friend I am very sorry, the argument ends here because clearly it is you who does not understand. I dont really have the time to explain but one of the reasons why it is so buggy is because how similar it is to ios7. Please, dont try to insult my intelligence again, you will end up looking the worse out of the two of us, that I can guarantee.

And you are saying the bending issue does not exist when Apple themselves have admitted it does? Listen to yourself, there are numerous examples of the bending issue, even users on this very forum, your saying its all fake? Wake up and smell the you know what.

And I dont know if you will understand this or not. Forget what materials the phone is made of, the 6 plus does bend as proven by users on this forum and Apple themselves. Whilst the competitor's phones do not, again forget what materials, by competitor you can even include iphone 6 and 5s.

I personally dont think the unbox therapy video is fake like people on these forums are suggesting, however EVEN if it is, you still DONT explain Apple admitting this, and the many many many other reports of the bending, which if you havent noticed seems to be going up everyday.

And the screen, is also old technology. Competitor devices are already way in excess of 1080p - are you living in 2012 or something?. I dont know if you know but Apple originally were going to put a 1242x2208 resolution, but they decided to cut costs and go for 1080p which means it is being downsampled. Of course you dont want to hear that because you are blind, not in the literal sense.

http://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/iphone-6-screens-demystified

 

[CEmajr]

So you dont believe the bending, even though Apple themselves confirmed it?

A bit worrying dont you think so many cases and the phone has only been out a few days.

Well 9 out of 10 million + is what I call a non-issue. If you think that's an epidemic that deserves the all media attention that it got then wow what a way to buy into the hype. That's not even 1/100000th of a percent of users. Apple saying that it was only 9 people was pretty much their way of also saying it isn't a real issue. To me that also confirms that it wasn't caused by "normal" usage. If normal usage actually caused bending then there would've been far more than 9 reports of it.

 

[soundxplorer]

Anyone who remembers the early to mid 1990's can tell you of the utter disarray and despair. Apple's product line was a mess, its leadership questionable, and the future of MacOS was highly in doubt. I was a Windows user back then, but I always wanted the pricier Mac, and was sad to see Apple floundering.

Strangely enough, that was the time period when Macs had the biggest advantage over Windows. The difference between them, and what you could do with them them was night and day (unlike the past 15 years or so), and if you were in the publishing, graphic arts, or music industry, Mac was the clear choice. And then Steve saved the day with the cute little iMac. Just proof that most people care more about what it looks like on the outside as opposed to what is on the inside, or what is even capable of doing.

 

[robertopod1968]

It's definitely stupid. Very nice phones. Every time someone sees it they ask if it's bent yet. If it's the 6 or plus. I feel it's the end of domimnance. And what's bad is these are the best phones they have ever made.

 

[Sharpanator]

As a person who has purchased the iphone 6 plus 128gb I have a right to speak about this as a customer.

Apple has had 2 years to perfect the design, the cpu, ram, screen they are all old technology. Of course iOS is unique to them. However you paint it, all other phones are not bending (including the iphone 6) where as the plus is.

In terms of design people including me are still complaining about the antenna bands because no other apple product has them, they are thick and look amateurish.

People have been wanting more than 1gb of ram, and the very COMMON tab reloading issue has been identified as a memory limitation. This is annoying when competitor phones have 3gb of ram now.

My understanding is all manufacturers subject their devices through numerous and thorough stress tests. Samsung do this without doubt and there are even videos showing this. The question that arises is why wasnt this bending issue noted by the quality control team?

I dont even want to talk about the ios8 issues. I simply do not understand why there are so many issues, the hardware is pretty much the same as before, 64 bit dual core, just smaller and clocked slightly higher. iOS 8 is pretty much similar to iOS7. Again why wasnt this tested?

iPhone brings 70% of Apple's income. There have been bad iphone situations like the antenna problem and 5s shortage etc but in its somewhat short history I dont remember a situation this appalling.

One has to ask, are Apple...Slipping?

I dont know what you mean, every smartphone will bend, at least the modern thin ones. There was a test showing that the smartphones from other companys bend as well. The specs are not old technology, where you read that from? Its a modern CPU designed by Apple and Arm directly for IOS devices only and there software and OS. The screen is the best LCD screen ever released on a smartphone according websites that actually test displays every day. Samsung is a panel manufactor and of course they use their own AMOLED technology. The display in the Note4 is better then the IP6 but thats about it, that doesnt make the iphone old technology.

It does not need quadcore CPUS and 4GB Ram because IOS is slimmer then android and custom made together with the hardware inhouse. According to geekbench the IP6 is currently the fastest smartphone and that with a dual core CPU and 1GB Ram. Actually the Iphone CPU is more modern then the qualcomm ones, its made in 20 nanometer architecture and its 64 Bit.
The spec war on paper will not tell the full truth, both are different OS for different needs and a dual core CPU from 4 years ago is outdated but a dual core CPU from 2014 is not outdated. Just because android OS needs 4 cores to work best dosnt mean the IOS devices need it as well to run smooth.

 

[Anastasio]

"Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?"

No, but it's this forum's darkest moment with all these ******** posts. Where has the good content gone? Where is a good Apple forum?

 

[Arran]

No, but it's this forum's darkest moment with all these ******** posts.

I know. All of the mind-blowing technology elegantly packaged into these devices - and all the internet can fixate on is, "does it bend?". Neanderthal.

Where has the good content gone?

Taking a vacation. .

Come back in a month. After the primitives have shuffled onto other more searching questions about driving cars into walls or jumping out of planes without parachutes.

 

[Sharpanator]

"Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?"

No, but it's this forum's darkest moment with all these ******** posts. Where has the good content gone? Where is a good Apple forum?

I would say there are alot of ppl out there who jump on the bandwagon and bash apple because its trendy and all their friends do it, they just repeat the things they have heard. Like the argument that Apple is evil and the workers in china all die etc.. Those ppl did obviously not understand that the lithium for every houshold device is harvested from poor african childs in lithium mines and most of them die or get serious lung problems but thats ok, because the real evil are the apple factories which means foxconn and those factories actually produce for alot of companies, not only apple. Its naive to think samsung is any different here.

 

[Konvictz]

"Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?"

No, but it's this forum's darkest moment with all these ******** posts. Where has the good content gone? Where is a good Apple forum?

What are you talking about?

I am a fan of the iphone and iOS and that is why I am a member here.

If android delivered the smooth, responsive clean experience iOS delivers, then I would have gone to android straight away. I would right now be waiting for the note 4 and would try to enjoy the excellent Samsung screen.

The good news for Apple is android is still quite some distance behind, not in terms of features (because android has surpassed iOS in features a long while ago to the point iOS is now copying android lol), but in terms of responsiveness and just less laggy and less stuttering - that is why iOS works and is ahead.

The bad news for apple is, android hardware is increasing a lot quicker, Apple just released 1080p ish screen, where is there is talk of 4k mobile android screens, now 4k is too much pixel density to make that much of a difference but it shows how fast they are progressing.

The other bad news for Apple is all the smoothness and stuttering android has right now, can of coursed be fixed, probably not now but it will take a few years - there is no reason why this should not happen especially with the money and talented programmers that Google has. But this is still some way off.

Even right now in terms of numbers android completely dominates iOS, it not even competition. But if this continues, as android improves, it will capture more of the market and ultimately it will be something like windows vs mac, where windows/android has the availablity and better price. No doubt mac is the better computer, no doubt, but windows has 90% market lead because it can offer a similarish (some would argue better, I wouldnt) experience at a better price point - and that is where android is headed.

I would say there are alot of ppl out there who jump on the bandwagon and bash apple because its trendy and all their friends do it, they just repeat the things they have heard. Like the argument that Apple is evil and the workers in china all die etc.. Those ppl did obviously not understand that the lithium for every houshold device is harvested from poor african childs in lithium mines and most of them die or get serious lung problems but thats ok, because the real evil are the apple factories which means foxconn and those factories actually produce for alot of companies, not only apple. Its naive to think samsung is any different here.

The issue your talking about links in with globalisation.

It basically comes down to morals. If your phone, no matter which manufacturer, was produced 'properly' equal rights, or even in the US or UK, then manufacturing costs would rise dramatically.

This is too big of an issue to bring up. Food for thought. There is actually more than enough food in the world right now for everyone to eat, yet millions are starving to death. If you have a few minutes ask yourself, Why?

These issues apply to almost every global company.

Also you can say Apple and Nike etc are evil, but if you were in a position to say make 1 billion or 10 billion in profits, it would be easy to sit here and say we choose the ethical decision but if we were put in the position, most likely we would not think like this.

 

[Sharpanator]

What are you talking about?

I am a fan of the iphone and iOS and that is why I am a member here.

If android delivered the smooth, responsive clean experience iOS delivers, then I would have gone to android straight away. I would right now be waiting for the note 4 and would try to enjoy the excellent Samsung screen.

The good news for Apple is android is still quite some distance behind, not in terms of features (because android has surpassed iOS in features a long while ago to the point iOS is now copying android lol), but in terms of responsiveness and just less laggy and less stuttering - that is why iOS works and is ahead.

The bad news for apple is, android hardware is increasing a lot quicker, Apple just released 1080p ish screen, where is there is talk of 4k mobile android screens, now 4k is too much pixel density to make that much of a difference but it shows how fast they are progressing.

The other bad news for Apple is all the smoothness and stuttering android has right now, can of coursed be fixed, probably not now but it will take a few years - there is no reason why this should not happen especially with the money and talented programmers that Google has. But this is still some way off.

Even right now in terms of numbers android completely dominates iOS, it not even competition. But if this continues, as android improves, it will capture more of the market and ultimately it will be something like windows vs mac, where windows/android has the availablity and better price. No doubt mac is the better computer, no doubt, but windows has 90% market lead because it can offer a similarish (some would argue better, I wouldnt) experience at a better price point - and that is where android is headed.



The issue your talking about links in with globalisation.

It basically comes down to morals. If your phone, no matter which manufacturer, was produced 'properly' equal rights, or even in the US or UK, then manufacturing costs would rise dramatically.

This is too big of an issue to bring up. Food for thought. There is actually more than enough food in the world right now for everyone to eat, yet millions are starving to death. If you have a few minutes ask yourself, Why?

These issues apply to almost every global company.

Also you can say Apple and Nike etc are evil, but if you were in a position to say make 1 billion or 10 billion in profits, it would be easy to sit here and say we choose the ethical decision but if we were put in the position, most likely we would not think like this.

Android dominated the market with all devices combined while IOS is apples own OS, so its no wonder its behind. We should not forget that android is installed on alot of cheap crap devices as well like china knock offs, even digital cameras.

I wouldnt call a Full HD display behind the market, its a good standard for top smartphones in 2014 i would say. Some smartphones use of course higher resolution but not many and if you look at those, for example the LG G3 make terrible use of the high res display because LG didnt adopted the android graphics to the high resolution. High res displays need high power CPUs as well.

I agree that samsung can push the display technolgy like no other company because samsung is one of the few panel manufactors, they have kind of an advantage over apple here. But lets not forget that the Iphone6+ IPS screen is the best LCD on the market today as you can read here

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/09/22/displaymate-iphone-6-screen-shootout/

Android smartphones have better specs on paper but they need them for googles android OS, IOS is more like windowsPhone, it needs less ressources. Also apple can design CPU and software inhouse and tune everything perfectly while android has to work with a bunch of different hardware and systems. The anandtech benchmarks show a really good performance and its amazing that the Iphone6 is that good with the lower specs on paper.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8559/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-preliminary-results

Also the geekbench score is on pair or slightly faster then a samsung S5 which is a top end android phone. Yes android can catch up with the lags and smoothness but apple can also catch up

 

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"Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?"

No, but it's this forum's darkest moment with all these ******** posts. Where has the good content gone? Where is a good Apple forum?

What are you talking about?

I am a fan of the iphone and iOS and that is why I am a member here.

If android delivered the smooth, responsive clean experience iOS delivers, then I would have gone to android straight away. I would right now be waiting for the note 4 and would try to enjoy the excellent Samsung screen.

The good news for Apple is android is still quite some distance behind, not in terms of features (because android has surpassed iOS in features a long while ago to the point iOS is now copying android lol), but in terms of responsiveness and just less laggy and less stuttering - that is why iOS works and is ahead.

The bad news for apple is, android hardware is increasing a lot quicker, Apple just released 1080p ish screen, where is there is talk of 4k mobile android screens, now 4k is too much pixel density to make that much of a difference but it shows how fast they are progressing.

The other bad news for Apple is all the smoothness and stuttering android has right now, can of coursed be fixed, probably not now but it will take a few years - there is no reason why this should not happen especially with the money and talented programmers that Google has. But this is still some way off.

Even right now in terms of numbers android completely dominates iOS, it not even competition. But if this continues, as android improves, it will capture more of the market and ultimately it will be something like windows vs mac, where windows/android has the availablity and better price. No doubt mac is the better computer, no doubt, but windows has 90% market lead because it can offer a similarish (some would argue better, I wouldnt) experience at a better price point - and that is where android is headed.

You wrote all that without reading what I wrote, but quoted it? I am talking about this forum and how ****** the content has been. I've been here for 4 days and half the posts are about how the phone looks or the close minded Apple vs Android debate. I'll give you a hint, its a SMART PHONE! Some people like Phish, some like the Grateful Dead! Who the **** cares! If one company dominated the business, then there wouldn't be competition and incentives for them to make better and better phones each year! In the end, the consumer always wins! If there was one company dominating the market, then we'd have phones like they probably do in North Korea. CAPITALISM, HOW DOES IT WORK?!?!?!