Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?

Apple has had 2 years to perfect the design, the cpu, ram, screen they are all old technology. Of course iOS is unique to them. However you paint it, all other phones are not bending (including the iphone 6) where as the plus is.

You're missing the point of Apple as a business. They spent about 2 years perfecting the design of a phone with built in planned obsolescence, and that has just enough hardware limitations to ensure they won't jeoparodize sales of a future 6S or 7. All while keeping component costs low to make greater profit margins. Make sense? The bending is a valid point. I'm not saying they wanted this issue to blow up, but now they can make the next generation even stronger than ever, Apple's metallurgists did it again and made the best design in the history of Apple! :rolleyes:
 
Apple has had 2 years to perfect the design, the cpu, ram, screen they are all old technology. Of course iOS is unique to them. However you paint it, all other phones are not bending (including the iphone 6) where as the plus is.

Neither is the 6/6 Plus, except when it's abused.


My understanding is all manufacturers subject their devices through numerous and thorough stress tests. Samsung do this without doubt and there are even videos showing this. The question that arises is why wasnt this bending issue noted by the quality control team?

And yet Samsung phones break when you bend them; as well as those of other manufacturers:

http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-bent-smartphones/


Simple answer? Manufacturers don't base tests on abuse, only use.


the hardware is pretty much the same as before, 64 bit dual core, just smaller and clocked slightly higher.

  • Bigger screen, with wider angle of view
  • Phase detection autofocus
  • 240fps video capture vs. 120fps
  • 2nd generation 64-bit chip running 100mhz faster
  • Faster graphics processor
  • Now available with 128GB storage
  • Larger, higher capacity battery
  • Covers more LTE bands and includes faster LTE Cat4
  • Includes barometer for height measurement
  • Adds 802.11ac
  • Adds NFC

Yeah, no real difference here. What did you want, laser weapons?


iOS 8 is pretty much similar to iOS7.

  • Adds Handoff
  • Adds Continuity
  • Adds Instant Hotspot
  • Adds SMS/MMS sharing to iPad/iPod
  • Permits 3rd party keyboards
  • Adds Widgets
  • Adds inter-app communication
  • Adds interactive notifications
  • Adds quick video/voice iMessages
  • Adds Family Sharing
  • New Photos app with more capabilities
  • Adds support for iCloud Drive
  • Adds Heath app
  • Adds more functionality to Spotlight
  • Adds gestures to Mail
  • Adds quicktype keyboard
  • Adds on-the-fly dictation
  • Adds Wi-fi calling
  • Adds battery usage monitoring
  • Adds self-timer to Camera app
  • Adds Contact Shortcuts to Multitasking screen
  • Adds multitasking email (shrink composition to reference earlier emails)
  • Adds the ability to send the last location to Find My iPhone before the battery dies
  • Shazam integrated into Siri
  • "Hey Siri"
  • Credit card scanning for online purchases
  • Adds "Tips" app

I could go on, but yeah, they are pretty much the same, right?


But the most telling point is:

As a person who has purchased the iphone 6 plus 128gb I have a right to speak about this as a customer.

..You obviously still bought one despite the "concerns" that you have - that were well known in advance if you bothered to research your purchase. That you failed to do so is evident in that you believe that the hardware and OS haven't changed. If that's the case, then why did you buy it?

#fail
 
Nothing to be concerned with. Apple is impervious to most anything, with a unique user base and powerful marketing, they can sell anything at anytime. That's the advantage they enjoy. :)
 
Selling over 10 million iPhones in one weekend means that even if 1% of new owners have an issue, that's 100,000 people complaining loudly. Because Apple only releases one new phone a year, they are under more scrutiny than anyone else.

But anyone who even considers the idea that this is Apple's darkest hour has no clue of Apple's history. Apple has become the company that all of the tech snobs love to hate, but yet they continue to be more successful and profitable than anyone else. Every year, the same things happens: Apple's stock jumps up right before a new product announcement/launch, and then it drops immediately after launch. And then some kind of alarmist catastrophe hits (like Antennagate, or Bentgate, and a plethora of other issues). Some of them are legitimate, some blown way out of proportion. Either way, the biggest effect it has it getting media sites a ton of hits! Whether it's an article in support of Apple, or an article slamming them, more people click on Apple news stories than anything else in technology.

Now then, let's consider the current issues we have with the iPhone 6 launch. By almost all accounts, the new phones are Apple's best yet with a great hardware design, a stellar camera, and a ton of new features (mainly API improvements) in iOS 8. So what about "bent gate"? Let's consider what we know so far:

- It can be demonstrated that the iPhone 6 Plus (and also the iPhone 6, 5S, and a few Android phones to a lesser degree) can be permanently bent.

- Apple has public acknowledged that only 9 people have contacted Apple about this issue thus far, so it does not seem to be widespread. More than likely, it's a very small minority who have experienced the issue. And except when done on purpose (if that can be determined), Apple is sure to fix or replace phones that experience the issue in normal day-to-day usage.

- It is unclear how much force needs to be applied to get the phone to bend, or whether one should expect it to happen in normal day to day use. Because the iPhone 6 Plus is much larger, it is certainly a good idea to exercise a bit more caution when carrying the phone. iPads and other electronics made of metal are also bendable, but a phone is something you carry with you every day. Carrying a large, thin, metal phone in tight pants is probably not a good idea. Likewise, sitting down while your phone is in your back pocket is definitely not a good idea. Carrying your phone is somewhat loose pockets should not be a problem. I've been carrying my 6 Plus in my front jeans pocket since last Friday and I've not had any issues. But my jeans are not tight and I have plenty of room in my pocket for the phone. Common sense is required, along with an understanding that the phone can bend under certain circumstances.

- The release of iOS 8.0.1 was definitely a bad move by Apple. While it's great that they were able to release an update so quickly after launch, it's quite clear now that it did not undergo enough testing. And while other companies have had these issues many times, Apple is again under intense scrutiny already. And it was bad timing. It's also always a good idea to wait a day or two after an OS update (this is true for iOS, Android, and on desktop). It doesn't excuse Apple's botched updated, but it is again a reasonable precaution.

And finally, only time will tell if all of this blows over, or if it truly hurts Apple. I don't think anyone expects it to take a hit on Apple's iPhone sales. With constrained supply, they are likely to sell every iPhone that they can make for the next couple of months at least. However, it does tarnish their image a bit. And it gives tech snobs more ammunition to fire at Apple. That's okay. We Apple fans have long been snobbish at times, so let's just go ahead and suck it up and take it. At the end of the day, it's foibles like this that make companies do better!
 
Let me tell you a quick little story. I shot the Mizzou-Indiana football game on Saturday. My iPhone 6 Plus was in my jeans pocket the whole time. I was down on the ground, on my knees, sitting indian style, crouching, running down to the other end of the field, and rolling/jumping out of the way of players about to collide with me on the sidelines. Then later the story about the bending phones broke. I checked mine, put it flat on a table with no problem. On Monday afternoon my case finally arrived. If it can survive shooting a football game where I was bending into all kinds of crazy positions, then it can survive just about anything. And to top it all off, it's now in a case which makes it even stronger. No worries here.

Not the darkest moment for Apple in their history. Not by a long shot. But the darkest moment in Apple's modern history? I hope so, because this is a walk in the park for most companies.

Apple today announced a grand total of 9 people have complained about bent phones. It's all click-bait media hype. I will admit they screwed the pooch yesterday with the 8.0.1 update. Also, to say that the A8 is outdated hardware is pretty ridiculous considering the A7 still schools most android devices running with more cores. Just look at the benchmarks from Anandtech. Could it use more RAM? Probably, but after much discussion most people believe that the tab issue is software related, as third party browsers don't seem to have this issue and desktop Safari sometimes exhibits this problem as well.
 
I'd still say iOS 6 and Maps were worse than iOS 8, until yesterday. Healthkit being delayed is one thing. It's right that they delayed it rather than foist it upon us before it was ready like they did with Maps. But releasing an update that crippled cellular capabilities was inexecusable. There's no way that should have gotten past their QA.



"Bendgate" is much ado about nothing. Other phones might not bend, but still have damage in similar tests. The HTC One M8 "passed" the bend test even as its screen popped out.


There was nothing inherently wrong with maps. It was just a crappy mapping software that was inferior to google in every way.
 
Just because the UI didn't change in iOS 8, doesn't mean it didn't get massive changes under the hood. Don't just assume that since you don't "see" much of a difference with iOS 8 that it's "pretty much the same".

I love Apple and iPhone just like most of you on here, but I have to say… it's not the user's fault that the product is becoming damaged easily. I hate how some people are saying "just put it in your shirt pocket", "don't sit on it" or "you need to take better care of your things"…. listen…. if I have to lay my phone on a pillow or buy a case for it in order for it NOT TO BEND, then I'm sorry, but Apple messed up… not us. iPhones are meant to be mobile, and they're meant to be in pockets. Apple should have tested them better.

Same thing goes for the antenna thing a few years ago with the iPhone 4.
 
I don't believe that's true. I believe millions of customers are perfectly happy, and a fraction of a fraction of a percent are having issues.

Please share your data backing up your "a lot" statement.

Seems there are about 10 people with bent phones. Out of untold millions sold. You do the math.

Relax. I can only speak from family/friends/colleagues/acquaintances who have been huge Apple supporters and buyers. They all have a sour taste in their mouths some way or another about their recent iPhone purchase. Take that for what it's worth.
 
The iOS 8 and 8.0.1 were surprising and legitimate screw-ups coming from Apple. They need to fix that ASAP.

The bending thing is pretty much a non-issue. A handful of people without any evidence or testing to show how their devices got bent were able to just snowball that one into a story.
 
We don't know that yet. We don't know what capabilities the second or third generation watch will bring. The first generation iphone did not have an App Store and there were plenty of phones before that could browse the web and play music.

That is true. And I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Who knows what their long term goal is for the watch. But personally I would have rather them waited and released that "third generation" one as the V1.

Yes there were other phones on the market that browsed the web, and played music. But to me, what made the original iPhone so different was that the "phone" capabilities seemed to be the secondary purpose of the device. It was more a pocket computer that could make calls, than a phone that could play music and surf the web.
 
There was nothing inherently wrong with maps. It was just a crappy mapping software that was inferior to google in every way.

So, if I understand you correctly, there was nothing wrong with it except that it gave bad information, and replaced the more functional software that was there before. That still counts as a "problem."
 
  • Adds Handoff
  • Adds Continuity
  • Adds Instant Hotspot
  • Adds SMS/MMS sharing to iPad/iPod
  • Permits 3rd party keyboards
  • Adds Widgets
  • Adds inter-app communication
  • Adds interactive notifications
  • Adds quick video/voice iMessages
  • Adds Family Sharing
  • New Photos app with more capabilities
  • Adds support for iCloud Drive
  • Adds Heath app
  • Adds more functionality to Spotlight
  • Adds gestures to Mail
  • Adds quicktype keyboard
  • Adds on-the-fly dictation
  • Adds Wi-fi calling
  • Adds battery usage monitoring
  • Adds self-timer to Camera app
  • Adds Contact Shortcuts to Multitasking screen
  • Adds multitasking email (shrink composition to reference earlier emails)
  • Adds the ability to send the last location to Find My iPhone before the battery dies
  • Shazam integrated into Siri
  • "Hey Siri"
  • Credit card scanning for online purchases
  • Adds "Tips" app
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You forgot a couple of BIG under the hood changes:

  • New Swift language for Apps
  • Opening up TouchID for 3rd party apps (allowing better security for things like Apple Pay)
  • Metal for graphics performance
  • HomeKit
 
A few people online having issues w/iPhone 6 Plus, an admittedly botched release of iOS 8.0.1, and it's time to light the torches?

They've just released two new phones that are selling like crazy, iOS 8 which is doing just fine, they're getting ready to release who-knows-what in the MacBook range, Yosemite, Apple Watch was shown off, and everything else (except iTunes and iPod) are up, Up, UP!

Yep.

Darkest moment for sure. :eek:
 
The iOS 8 and 8.0.1 were surprising and legitimate screw-ups coming from Apple. They need to fix that ASAP.

The bending thing is pretty much a non-issue. A handful of people without any evidence or testing to show how their devices got bent were able to just snowball that one into a story.

I'll give you 8.0.1, but how was iOS8 a screwup? It's been working just fine for me on my 6, 4S and iPad 3 so far.
 
That is true. And I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Who knows what their long term goal is for the watch. But personally I would have rather them waited and released that "third generation" one as the V1.

Yes there were other phones on the market that browsed the web, and played music. But to me, what made the original iPhone so different was that the "phone" capabilities seemed to be the secondary purpose of the device. It was more a pocket computer that could make calls, than a phone that could play music and surf the web.

The iOS ecosystem is what it is today not because Apple thought of everything by itself. I don't think Apple could have released iPhone 4 as the first iPhone. It took a good couple of years before things started getting really interesting and people began to realize the magnitude of what was available to them. You can recall the early "I am rich" or the hundreds of fart apps - eventually the ecosystem grew out of that stage and went on to have real impact.

Similarly, Apple cannot just release Apple Watch V3 as V1; whatever it releases will always be V1, relatively speaking. Once its out, who knows what horizons it will open up within the developer and user community and what directions it can go into...

Maybe I am still stuck in the current Apple/ developer/ user paradigm. Maybe that's 2010 way of thinking.. things may evolve into a different paradigm in the late teens and into the 20's.
 
I'll give you 8.0.1, but how was iOS8 a screwup? It's been working just fine for me on my 6, 4S and iPad 3 so far.

Health was one of the most touted features and it doesmt work. It significantly slowed down my 5S too. Though 8.0.1 seems to have brought it back to speed. Not a big deal but a small annoyances.
 
So, if I understand you correctly, there was nothing wrong with it except that it gave bad information, and replaced the more functional software that was there before. That still counts as a "problem."


Not necessarily in my opinion. Maps wasn't "broken." It was just a crappy app.

We can argue over who dropped who (Apple or Google) when it came down to why the Google app left. Apple felt they couldn't ship an OS without a built in mapping software so they shipped what they had, which was a relatively crappy app.
 
As a person who has purchased the iphone 6 plus 128gb I have a right to speak about this as a customer.

Apple has had 2 years to perfect the design, the cpu, ram, screen they are all old technology. Of course iOS is unique to them. However you paint it, all other phones are not bending (including the iphone 6) where as the plus is.

In terms of design people including me are still complaining about the antenna bands because no other apple product has them, they are thick and look amateurish.

People have been wanting more than 1gb of ram, and the very COMMON tab reloading issue has been identified as a memory limitation. This is annoying when competitor phones have 3gb of ram now.

My understanding is all manufacturers subject their devices through numerous and thorough stress tests. Samsung do this without doubt and there are even videos showing this. The question that arises is why wasnt this bending issue noted by the quality control team?

I dont even want to talk about the ios8 issues. I simply do not understand why there are so many issues, the hardware is pretty much the same as before, 64 bit dual core, just smaller and clocked slightly higher. iOS 8 is pretty much similar to iOS7. Again why wasnt this tested?

iPhone brings 70% of Apple's income. There have been bad iphone situations like the antenna problem and 5s shortage etc but in its somewhat short history I dont remember a situation this appalling.

One has to ask, are Apple...Slipping?

Apple isn't just slipping, it's in a damn free fall right now.

Mostly fault of their **** scaler.
 
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Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?

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Can we please stop. This is getting way out of hand. Just stop.
 
The iphone 4 signal loss issue definitely had more media coverage than this bending nonsense.

No, not their darkest moment by any stretch.
 
Not necessarily in my opinion. Maps wasn't "broken." It was just a crappy app.

We can argue over who dropped who (Apple or Google) when it came down to why the Google app left. Apple felt they couldn't ship an OS without a built in mapping software so they shipped what they had, which was a relatively crappy app.

Google had one year left on its contract. Apple exercised an option to terminate it early. "Broken" or not, the end result was that customers weren't happy. Also, there were distorted images and missing/incorrect data.

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Health was one of the most touted features and it doesmt work. It significantly slowed down my 5S too. Though 8.0.1 seems to have brought it back to speed. Not a big deal but a small annoyances.

Health is a touted feature, as was Maps of iOS 6. I'd much rather they wait and activate Health when it's ready than do what they did with Maps and roll it out "on time" when it clearly wasn't ready for prime time. As for the crashing and battery drain, when is there ever a new release of iOS that doesn't draw complaints about crashing and battery drain? If not for yesterday's botched update, the iOS 8 launch would have been about as or smoother than others in recent history.
 
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