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Apple should continue to support users in the same way as in the past (ie: letting users apply the wise technique "when it works, don't update it"). Macs were always very famous for letting users decide when (and whether) to update. If they did it for iPhones and iPads, they would last for more than a decade (just like Macs).

But, of course, Apple wants you to buy a new iOS toy every year, so... mandatory updates for everybody, and if you deny, then tiresome nagging screens until you mistakenly click on the accept button. And, for the sake of justifying this unacceptable behaviour, they make users believe that, by not updating, they made the world unsafer (soon it will be "if you drive your car manually, you harm humankind").
Funny thing, I tend to upgrade every 3-4 gens myself. Can’t say I’ve ever had a real problem, though I suppose experiences may vary
 
Hopefully, Italians will get more than the $25 Americans got which is significantly less than the cost of forced new device upgrade or even cost of defective battery replacement that Apple was covering up.
 
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This is ridiculous. Apple has always offered more years of software updates of any mobile OS. I understand they should’ve been more transparent with the battery situation, but still.
Precisely. That's the problem. If you couldn't update iOS, an iPhone would last 20 years with the same performance as the first day (except for its battery getting older, of course). The problem is that they support old devices in new updates, while making the updates absolutely mandatory. That's how they push obsolescence. And that's one of the reasons I dislike iOS so much when compared to Macs.
 
Precisely. That's the problem. If you couldn't update iOS, an iPhone would last 20 years with the same performance as the first day (except for its battery getting older, of course). The problem is that they support old devices in new updates, while making the updates absolutely mandatory. That's how they push obsolescence. And that's one of the reasons I dislike iOS so much when compared to Macs.
IOS updates are not mandatory and they never were. Not knowing how to opt-out from them is not the same as them being mandatory.
 
You can't win for losing here.

Apple uses the most robust battery technology available at the time, a technology that decreases in voltage as it ages.

Dropping voltage to any chip causes the chip to malfunction In this case, it causes phones to randomly restart under load.

Apple releases a patch that causes phones with reduced voltage to heal through the problem by reducing performance, rather than risking data loss or panics.

This move -- which effectively increases the usable lifespan of the phone -- is used to punish the company for "planned obsolescence."

You guys know what a knock sensor is? It's a little device that every car has that measures the quality of combustion in the engine. If it detects the wrong kinds of ignition, it reduces the fuel/air mixture to prevent too-powerful explosions from damaging the engine. In essence, it reduces performance to prolong the lifespan of the engine. And to my knowledge, no car company to date has been sued for "planned obsolescence."
The problem with Apple was the lack of options, choice and transparency. The engine knock sensor is in car specifications. You can also open up your engine and remove or disable it. The iOS however is not only a locked system that prevents modification but its documentation is also not transparent.

Same argument with the horse meat found in beef packages a few years ago in the UK. The problem wasn't the fact that it was horse meat, which is actually much more expensive than beef. The problem was transparency and misleading consumers.
 
Whenever bureaucracts want some spending money, they just shake down a big company. Easy money. Apple will pay fine which will end up in discretionary budgets all over the initiating bureaucracy...who will use it to buy Apple products among other things. lol.
 
But the bottom line is money. Apple can't sell you a new phone if your current phone still works so they have zero incentive to make old phones usable.
Since apple has gotten into services like Apple music and iCloud, they have every incentive to keep you in the ecosystem. That doesn´t mean to push you into buying every new device.
No, every Customer is equally valuable....regardless if he/she uses an old iPhone 6S or a new iPhone 12 Pro Max. They earn that sweet, sweet revenue just by selling services to you ;)
 
Well the iPhone 6/6s had the worst battery issues of any of my iPhones.

So Apple either specified inadequate batteries, or they sourced bad ones. Funny how those issues went away in 7/8.

....and didn’t exist before the 6 or if it did, Apple didn’t care about the issue
 
You can't win for losing here.

Apple uses the most robust battery technology available at the time, a technology that decreases in voltage as it ages.

Dropping voltage to any chip causes the chip to malfunction In this case, it causes phones to randomly restart under load.

Apple releases a patch that causes phones with reduced voltage to heal through the problem by reducing performance, rather than risking data loss or panics.

This move -- which effectively increases the usable lifespan of the phone -- is used to punish the company for "planned obsolescence."

You guys know what a knock sensor is? It's a little device that every car has that measures the quality of combustion in the engine. If it detects the wrong kinds of ignition, it reduces the fuel/air mixture to prevent too-powerful explosions from damaging the engine. In essence, it reduces performance to prolong the lifespan of the engine. And to my knowledge, no car company to date has been sued for "planned obsolescence."
Haha that’s a good analogy.

what about the O2 sensors and limp mode 😅
 
how about only supporting models from the recent 3 years with a new operating system release? does it count as 'planned obsolescence'?
 
So the company that supports old devices get hit with "planned obsolesce" lawsuit? How many 5 year old android devices are still receiving support???
 
Hasn't this horse been flogged enough? Couldn't they have filed this earlier, back when piling on Apple would have been more of a thing? But I guess everyone smells money, and has to get their swings in. *shrug*
 
I think Apple already does a decent job supporting older platforms for many years. At some point, Apple or any other company, is going to "move on" to newer technologies.
They usually do, but in this particular case, the update made my iPhone 6 unbearably slow until they later released another that let me disable the throttling. The battery health wasn't even bad, and afterwards, it wasn't shutting down randomly. The 6 wasn't even very old at the time. So yeah, that update was basically malware, and I never install iOS updates now.
 
We're done with the iPhone 4 antenna lawsuits, right?

I just want to know these things do eventually end...

Back when I was in junior high, my mom had lunch with a friend, and she told her that she was making a lot of money suing companies that put out catalogs for what looked like *cough* naughty bits *cough* showing. She grabbed the Sears catalog, and went to the men's underwear section, and found a picture that had the, um, 'leg area', um, in shadow, and the guy had a marked 'crease' in his leg from the muscle development in the area of his leg that was heading into the bottom of the boxer shorts. It was a dark area in shadows, and if you really looked at it, you could almost make out something. Now that I'm older, and more fit, I think what that was was actually a very developed set of legs, and the pose the model was in made the definition stand out more, and coupled with the shadow, and 'the boxer effect', made her freak out and sue Sears. That was the story she told. This was the mid-70's-ish time frame. Mom also said that she sued for women's 'naughty bits' showing (camel toe? I was pretty young and naive at the time).

So people will sue for damn near anything, and it's just nuts...

No, I'd think that the antenna gate isn't over. There has to be *someone* out there with a 4 that feels gypped that they have to actually pay for a new iPhone...
 
Physics. Batteries don’t last forever. Batteries don’t have an infinite charge. Apple is so consumer focused and cares about user experience it decided not to let the iPhone 6’s batteries crash the iPhone when it was low, but slow it down unnoticeably to get the best user experience. When this was allegedly discovered the miscreants were appalled that Apple didn’t just let their iPhones crash on a low battery. Apple does the right thing and always gets punished for it. Everyone else in the industry does way ******** things and they get free passes. Business as usual.
 
Technology isn't like a car that you can complete maintenance on and expect it to last basically forever.... If a 6 year old phone that can't run the latest tech is the end of the world to you, maybe a smartphone isn't the smartest choice?

Would having to change a cars oil considered planned obsolescence? What do you mean it's a consumable part that will need to be replaced? What about our environment? Oh wait, we don't even think about this.
Batterygate was only about a year after discontinuing the iPhone 6. And I'm not even mad about it not running the latest tech; I just wanted to be able to type a text message without a lagfest on the keyboard.
 
Physics. Batteries don’t last forever. Batteries don’t have an infinite charge. Apple is so consumer focused and cares about user experience it decided not to let the iPhone 6’s batteries crash the iPhone when it was low, but slow it down unnoticeably to get the best user experience. When this was allegedly discovered the miscreants were appalled that Apple didn’t just let their iPhones crash on a low battery. Apple does the right thing and always gets punished for it. Everyone else in the industry does way ******** things and they get free passes. Business as usual.

I know batteries don't last forever, but if it is true, and it appears to be true, that Apple deliberately slowed down the older devices, they did something wrong.

Imagine if your car stopped being able to go over 70, and then 60, and then 50, all so that you will see that the car needs to be replaced, and rush to the dealer and just buy a new one. I mean, there is planed obsolescence, and there is 'fixing' the device to make it appear to be either broken, or old. They were putting their thumb on the scale, and that's just illegal.
 
We're done with the iPhone 4 antenna lawsuits, right?

I just want to know these things do eventually end...
The iPhone 4 antenna thing was fake news. "You're holding it wrong" is right; you had to apply a weird amount of pressure to a specific spot to trigger it. Everyone who bought an iPhone 4 and used it like a normal person loved it.

On the other hand, seems everyone was dumping their iPhone 6s (and 6ss) as quickly as possible. Somehow nobody here defending Apple on the throttling actually held onto an iPhone 6(s) for a long time, wonder why.
 
well I finally got rid of my 64GB iPhone 6s and replaced it with an SE from Costco ($400). I guess my only gripe is that I spent over $700 for my 6S when new.
 
Well the iPhone 6/6s had the worst battery issues of any of my iPhones.

Apple did acknowledge that some iPhone 6S models had defective batteries. That's what actually prompted them into developing the "throttling" algorithms which appeared in the subsequent iOS version.
 
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