it's 2007 all over again with the X

inscrewtable

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In 2007 Apple turned the entire smart phone industry on it's head and was mercilessly mocked by Blackberry, Nokia, and Windows, 'it's doesn't even have a keyboard' roffle' they all said before Apple ate their lunch.

Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone, and yet again, not the tech companies but all the tech writers and all the tech writers' sychophants, are getting their knickers in a bunch.

Do they ever learn. The good thing this time is that it's going to be that much more difficult to simply copy what Apple have done which is surely what they will want to do.

It's going to be a hoot.
 

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The most puzzling criticism is by long time Apple users who know of the company's track record of leading the way when it comes to redefining how users interact with their devices, before they've even used Apple's 10th version of an iPhone.
 

Relentless Power

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I think there will always be doubters with Apple, because they are usually the ones to redefine or introduce technology that changes how we use our Phones. Apples is trendsetter and they want to be the ones not necessarily just to release something first, but to do it better.
 

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In 2007 Apple turned the entire smart phone industry on it's head and was mercilessly mocked by Blackberry, Nokia, and Windows, 'it's doesn't even have a keyboard' roffle' they all said before Apple ate their lunch.

Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone, and yet again, not the tech companies but all the tech writers and all the tech writers' sychophants, are getting their knickers in a bunch.

Do they ever learn. The good thing this time is that it's going to be that much more difficult to simply copy what Apple have done which is surely what they will want to do.

It's going to be a hoot.
What is it about the iPhone X that you feel will turn the industry on its head?

The biggest draw I see is that the phone will have an OLED screen without curved bezels that have active pixels, although I hardly call this a revolutionary thing. In fact, I think it's just good design, and the curved screens, with active pixels, are just horrible.
 

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What is it about the iPhone X that you feel will turn the industry on its head?

The biggest draw I see is that the phone will have an OLED screen without curved bezels that actively show pixels although I hardly call this a revolutionary thing. In fact, I think it's just good design, and the curved screens, with active pixels, are just horrible.
Honestly the only radical thing is face Id :confused: I love Apple but the X to be seems to be playing the game of catch-up rather than leading the way. It’s not even the first facial recognition system although hopefully it’s the first one to work really well. But I never had a problem with the feature on my htc M7;).
 

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I feel like a lot of people are unnecessarily bumping it up in greatness to justify the money they’re about to spend on it
On a tech forum, in some respects, Some will ultimately try to justify the price tag With features they think they will like or need. But in the world outside of a tech forum, the price is likely to expensive for most or those who simply don't want to spend that type of money on a phone, which is why the iPhone 8 (Or other models) will be a primary choice for affordability and price point.
 

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Necessarily 'redesign the modern smartphone' is a different proposition now than it was back then. In fact take a look at all the flagship Android smartphones, they all look pretty much the same, I've just seen the xiaomi mi mix 2 and I think that's a good idea putting the camera and bezel at the bottom, and they have eliminated it at the top, but Samsung, LG and Xiaomi and whoever else all look pretty much the same. This is why what Apple have done while not as groundbreaking, is neverthess in some ways more difficult, because let's face it when you have a flat oblong piece of almost all screen glass, there's not really much room to do anything really innovative but in that very small room, Apple have indeed come out with something that is obviously genuinely different because otherwise there would not be all the tech writers going apoplectic with indignation.

Whereas everyone else's phone's all look the same Apple has gone for style and class as I said in this post here...

Whereas Apple began with a very stylish phone with stainless steel borders and glass, then everyone has been working for 10 years to what we now have, which is sleek all glass phones without any trimmings, but now that phones have matured Apple have designed a phone that is truly modern yet beautiful in the way that a rolls royce is beautiful, notwithstanding that it's not to everyone's taste.

So that's what I meant, and I think you'll now see that everyone will start to do a u-turn and try to bring some design back to the phones, because just making a solid slab of glass with no distractions at all, is not really very nice, it's more of a 1970's idea of 'modern'.
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What is it about the iPhone X that you feel will turn the industry on its head?
One word answer...design. Making something that is beautiful to look at, yet modern at the same time. Phones will become more like jewellery rather than soulless black slabs of glass. This is why Samsung's direction which was to take the glass right to the edge and then down, is going in the precise opposite direction. Where to they go from there? Whereas Apple have made a basically bezel less phone, but it has a very deliberate border, and they will play with this this further I'm certain. Glass to the edge is dead, from 2017 on.
 

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Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone
How have they redefined it when they using nearly same design as the Samsung Galaxy. Apple finally added wireless charging, something that the old discontinued windows phones had many years ago. They were not the first to add facial recognition, nor the first for curved display.

I'm happy Apple has added those features but its more about catching up to what was already out there, then redefining the mobile market.
 

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What do you mean "redefined the smartphone again"?

Everything about the X is actually Preety remarkable. This is something that all of us apple users don’t notice because we have been using the best software on the planet for quite sometime.

The FaceiD System is brilliant. Yes android did it first but oh my god was it horribly flawed and actually STILL IS ( typical android nonesense )

You can still hold up and picture and presto, instant access ( with some finessing ) . That’s why no one uses it. That is unacceptable. This is why Apple always wins. They do not release halfassed designs to its customers all in the name of innovation and to try to get ahead of Apple ( yes the iPhone 6 Bend Gate was a catastrophe.. but let’s face it. You put a phone that big in your back pocket and SIT ON IT. It WILL bend just like anything else )

No home button ? You need to have some really clever software to handle that extra load. It will have to at any given time exit out of an app or what ever you’re doing with a simple swipe ( with the animation etc )That takes a lot of work to put together believe it or not.

Whether we like it or not, the X is actually setting the standard ( again )

Samsung who ? A11 Bionic processor is the fastest on the planet. Runs circles around SnapDragon 835 and even the Kirin 970, Huawei what ?

iPhone X is wearing the best camera on any smart phone as well. Samsung cameras are laggy and pictures don’t come out looking natural. Mate 10’s pictures require YOU to do all of the work ( they say it’s for better control. No it’s pure laziness ) . iPhone’s iOS is so smart that it does all of the adjustments for you.

We don’t notice all of the changes becuause we are used to it.
 

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The most puzzling criticism is by long time Apple users who know of the company's track record of leading the way when it comes to redefining how users interact with their devices, before they've even used Apple's 10th version of an iPhone.
Siri is barely functional. Didn't revolutionize anything.
Pen stylus for iPad, pretty silly.
 

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Everything about the X is actually Preety remarkable. This is something that all of us apple users don’t notice because we have been using the best software on the planet for quite sometime.

The FaceiD System is brilliant. Yes android did it first but oh my god was it horribly flawed and actually STILL IS ( typical android nonesense )

You can still hold up and picture and presto, instant access ( with some finessing ) . That’s why no one uses it. That is unacceptable. This is why Apple always wins. They do not release halfassed designs to its customers all in the name of innovation and to try to get ahead of Apple ( yes the iPhone 6 Bend Gate was a catastrophe.. but let’s face it. You put a phone that big in your back pocket and SIT ON IT. It WILL bend just like anything else )

No home button ? You need to have some really clever software to handle that extra load. It will have to at any given time exit out of an app or what ever you’re doing with a simple swipe ( with the animation etc )That takes a lot of work to put together believe it or not.

Whether we like it or not, the X is actually setting the standard ( again )

Samsung who ? A11 Bionic processor is the fastest on the planet. Runs circles around SnapDragon 835 and even the Kirin 970, Huawei what ?

iPhone X is wearing the best camera on any smart phone as well. Samsung cameras are laggy and pictures don’t come out looking natural. Mate 10’s pictures require YOU to do all of the work ( they say it’s for better control. No it’s pure laziness ) . iPhone’s iOS is so smart that it does all of the adjustments for you.

We don’t notice all of the changes becuause we are used to it.

The X will be a good phone indeed.
The camera on the s8 is fast and very good. I'm using one. The homebutton solution on the s8 is brilliant Much better than the iPhone's.

How many times do we as samsung galaxy/Note users have to say our devices do not lag(micro stutters here and there, just like ios) the camera is very good and we are happy with it?

I've used the iPhone 3g,3gs,4,4s,5,6,6s and loved it. Hated android and especially the Samsung devices. Had the s3, s4 and hated it with a passion.

Used the HTC one m7 and m8 and loved it. Then I took the s6 (I had to at the time) and boy it was different then previous years. I actually enjoyed using it so went with the S7 which was even better.

Used the S7 a year and when the s8 came along I bought it and I Love it.

Don't get me wrong, I do like both android and ios. So I could jump ship soon haha.

Long store short, android, and Samsung UI had evolved incredibly.
 

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Necessarily 'redesign the modern smartphone' is a different proposition now than it was back then. In fact take a look at all the flagship Android smartphones, they all look pretty much the same, I've just seen the xiaomi mi mix 2 and I think that's a good idea putting the camera and bezel at the bottom, and they have eliminated it at the top, but Samsung, LG and Xiaomi and whoever else all look pretty much the same. This is why what Apple have done while not as groundbreaking, is neverthess in some ways more difficult, because let's face it when you have a flat oblong piece of almost all screen glass, there's not really much room to do anything really innovative but in that very small room, Apple have indeed come out with something that is obviously genuinely different because otherwise there would not be all the tech writers going apoplectic with indignation.

Whereas everyone else's phone's all look the same Apple has gone for style and class as I said in this post here...

Whereas Apple began with a very stylish phone with stainless steel borders and glass, then everyone has been working for 10 years to what we now have, which is sleek all glass phones without any trimmings, but now that phones have matured Apple have designed a phone that is truly modern yet beautiful in the way that a rolls royce is beautiful, notwithstanding that it's not to everyone's taste.

So that's what I meant, and I think you'll now see that everyone will start to do a u-turn and try to bring some design back to the phones, because just making a solid slab of glass with no distractions at all, is not really very nice, it's more of a 1970's idea of 'modern'.
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One word answer...design. Making something that is beautiful to look at, yet modern at the same time. Phones will become more like jewellery rather than soulless black slabs of glass. This is why Samsung's direction which was to take the glass right to the edge and then down, is going in the precise opposite direction. Where to they go from there? Whereas Apple have made a basically bezel less phone, but it has a very deliberate border, and they will play with this this further I'm certain. Glass to the edge is dead, from 2017 on.
I respect your opinion, and my feeling is Live and Let Live, but...

I have to disagree with your statement of Apple making the phone more "beautiful to look at". Beauty is subjective, and IMO, the EARS of the display, created by the notch, are simply ugly. The phone is fine if it is turned off though...
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You're right, the curved display of the galaxy is much more sleeker and elegant then seeing that notch
When the phone is off, I would agree. I have tried using it in the real world, you mostly get glare on the curved part of the glass. Viewing photos is horrible on this design. Not only do you have part of the image "obscured', but if you are in any kind of lighted situation, you have to turn the phone the get rid of the glare. It's a BAD design for real world usage.
 

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No home button and a gesture based UI are the big changes here besides the design. This is going to make the whole experience of using an iPhone very different moving forward and opens up a lot of interesting possibilities with how they improve iOS.
 
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Viewing photos is horrible on this design. Not only do you have part of the image "obscured', but if you are in any kind of lighted situation, you have to turn the phone the get rid of the glare. It's a BAD design for real world usage.
Not for nothing but those arguments against the Samsung have been levied against the iPhone x with the notch.

No home button and a gesture based UI are the big changes here besides the design.
The iPhone used to be about simplicity, and I'm not sure about these gestures, swipe slightly one way to get one action, slightly another way for something else. What's wrong with pressing a button, once or twice for an action. I may be splitting hairs but Apple used to be about designing a product that was not complicated at all. I'm sure if I were to get one, I would adjust to it, but the fact remains, it seems more convoluted then it ought to be. Just my opinion.
 

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No home button and a gesture based UI are the big changes here besides the design. This is going to make the whole experience of using an iPhone very different moving forward and opens up a lot of interesting possibilities with how they improve iOS.
With all due respect, we need LESS gestures, not more. Pinch with 5,4,3,2 fingers. Swipe here. Wait. No there. Oh wait again, swipe halfway up, and stop. Now swipe down from the top...

It's reached a point of gesture overload. The phone's simplicity has been moved backwards.

Now if you're talking "Minority Report" (the movie) type gestures, I can see some simplicity coming back. IMO, that was the (fake) OS that started it all..
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Not for nothing but those arguments against the Samsung have been levied against the iPhone x with the notch.
Not sure of your point. It's still valid, and the Apple made the right choice in making the screen flat.

The iPhone used to be about simplicity, and I'm not sure about these gestures, swipe slightly one way to get one action, slightly another way for something else. What's wrong with pressing a button, once or twice for an action. I may be splitting hairs but Apple used to be about designing a product that was not complicated at all. I'm sure if I were to get one, I would adjust to it, but the fact remains, it seems more convoluted then it ought to be. Just my opinion.
Agreed, and I was typing my response as you posted yours... :)
 

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With all due respect, we need LESS gestures, not more. Pinch with 5,4,3,2 fingers. Swipe here. Wait. No there. Oh wait again, swipe halfway up, and stop. Now swipe down from the top...

It's reached a point of gesture overload. The phone's simplicity has been moved backwards.

Now if you're talking "Minority Report" (the movie) type gestures, I can see some simplicity coming back. IMO, that was the (fake) OS that started it all..
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Not sure of your point. They are still valid points, and the ears suck (IMO).



Agreed, and I was typing my response as you posted yours... :)
That's fine if you disagree, but I don't really think any of the new gestures they are implementing in the X are all that difficult to understand. How else do you expect to interact with a touchscreen?
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Not for nothing but those arguments against the Samsung have been levied against the iPhone x with the notch.


The iPhone used to be about simplicity, and I'm not sure about these gestures, swipe slightly one way to get one action, slightly another way for something else. What's wrong with pressing a button, once or twice for an action. I may be splitting hairs but Apple used to be about designing a product that was not complicated at all. I'm sure if I were to get one, I would adjust to it, but the fact remains, it seems more convoluted then it ought to be. Just my opinion.
It still seems pretty simple to me, but I am sure there are plenty like you that want to retain the home button for it's familiarity. It's just a different action, that's all. I am not sure how else we plan to interact with touchscreens besides gestures. Would a virtual home button be better to you?
 
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Not sure of your point. It's still valid, and the Apple made the right choice in making the screen flat.
The notch, the other member was citing arguments that a curved display impacts image viewing, I wanted to raise the point that the notch will impact it as well and people were complaining how that notch detracts for the whole user experience.
 

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That's fine if you disagree, but I don't really think any of the new gestures they are implementing in the X are all that difficult to understand. How else do you expect to interact with a touchscreen?
You have a valid point. I'm not saying ALL gestures are bad. What I am saying is that removing the Hone Button has removed a level of simplicity that can't be undone.
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The notch, the other member was citing arguments that a curved display impacts image viewing, I wanted to raise the point that the notch will impact it as well and people were complaining how that notch detracts for the whole user experience.
Ah. Gotcha' :)
 
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