it's 2007 all over again with the X

[inscrewtable]

You're right, the curved display of the galaxy is much more sleeker and elegant then seeing that notch

Well you may think it's 'more sleeker' but that would only be with the phone off.

Not for nothing but those arguments against the Samsung have been levied against the iPhone x with the notch.

How have reflections down both sides of the phone been 'levied' against the X notch, where's the comparison, that makes not sense whatever. And if you're referring to the reflections down both sides of the phone hiding content then that also cannot be said about the notch because if you're watching a movie it will likely be in a 1:1.85 ratio which is the most popular ratio and that will mean it does not extend under the notch. You can make it go under the notch by filling the screen but then to do that you'd have to clip the top and bottom of the movie and it would be a bit silly to complain that the notch is clipping the movie when to do so means you have to clip the top and bottom.

As for photos, they also are not in a ratio that when viewing are clipped by the notch. Neither of these two scenarios are in any way comparable to the glare and reflections caused by the curved edges. It's a design that Samsung will soon be dropping. Compared to the Xiaomi mi mix 2 the Galaxy looks dated already.

And finally applications will be designed also not to clip any content.

 

[DNichter]

You have a valid point. I'm not saying ALL gestures are bad. What I am saying is that removing the Hone Button has removed a level of simplicity that can't be undone.
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Ah. Gotcha' 🙂

I think it's more of a familiarity. Swipe to unlock should feel right at home, swipe up to close apps/multitask makes sense to me after using Apple products for a long time, swipe down from the corners even feel right at home (time for notifications/home screen, wifi battery etc. for control center). At some point, the home button had to go. It will just take some time, but I am confident I will adapt fairly quickly. I have always liked a gesture based UI ever since I used Apple trackpads and saw the Palm Pre in action.

 

[maflynn]

Well you may think it's 'more sleeker' but that would only be with the phone off.

I disagree, I think its a fine looking phone on and off.

Compared to the Xiaomi mi mix 2 the Galaxy looks dated already.

I disagree, the S8 looks elegant, the X with the notch, not so.

 

[inscrewtable]

I disagree, I think its a fine looking phone on and off.


I disagree, the S8 looks elegant, the X with the notch, not so.

That's perfectly fine. I'm sure you'll find that Samsung will ditch the curved edges if only to stay ahead of their other Android competition. What are they going to do next year? There's no where for them to go.

 

[tn-xyz]

That's perfectly fine. I'm sure you'll find that Samsung will ditch the curved edges if only to stay ahead of their other Android competition. What are they going to do next year? There's no where for them to go.

and you're certain about that, because...?

 

[Diving Capers]

In 2007 Apple turned the entire smart phone industry on it's head and was mercilessly mocked by Blackberry, Nokia, and Windows, 'it's doesn't even have a keyboard' roffle' they all said before Apple ate their lunch.

Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone, and yet again, not the tech companies but all the tech writers and all the tech writers' sychophants, are getting their knickers in a bunch.

Do they ever learn. The good thing this time is that it's going to be that much more difficult to simply copy what Apple have done which is surely what they will want to do.

It's going to be a hoot.

What is so revolutionary about the X ?

It’s just another smartphone with tech that has been available on other smartphones for years. The only thing that draws attention is the notch and that is hardly something to brag about.

You might say Face ID, however that is just a way to unlock the device and a bit of a gimmic. The best Appple could come up with to demo the technology were animoji ... if anything it was embarrassing.

So no, it isn’t 2007 again, not even close.

 

[DNichter]

and you're certain about that, because...?

While he/she, you, or I have no idea what they will do. I am curious to what else phone makers can do with a rectangle design moving forward. I think the curved edges are useless as they don't really add anything to the function of the phone so I could definitely see them moving to more of an X-like design to keep up with Apple. I know there were rumors of bendable displays, but I can't see how they would be useful, practical, or even feasible given the components behind them at this time. Should be interesting to see where it all goes.

 

[ultravegeta1981]

While he/she, you, or I have no idea what they will do. I am curious to what else phone makers can do with a rectangle design moving forward. I think the curved edges are useless as they don't really add anything to the function of the phone so I could definitely see them moving to more of an X-like design to keep up with Apple. I know there were rumors of bendable displays, but I can't see how they would be useful, practical, or even feasible given the components behind them at this time. Should be interesting to see where it all goes.

Keep up with Apple? Really?

 

[DNichter]

What is so revolutionary about the X ?

It’s just another smartphone with tech that has been available on other smartphones for years. The only thing that draws attention is the notch and that is hardly something to brag about.

You might say Face ID, however that is just a way to unlock the device and a bit of a gimmic. The best Appple could come up with to demo the technology were animoji ... if anything it was embarrassing.

So no, it isn’t 2007 again, not even close.

I think you are focusing too much on design, which is completely subjective. However, I do feel that bringing the screen to all 4 corners is great design and I am sure will be borrowed by other phone makers in 2018. The revolutionary part of the X is the no home button and gesture based UI. This will completely change how you interact with an iPhone moving forward. Easily the most dramatic change in 10 years. The front of an iPhone has remained the same since 2007, albeit very small differences. The back is just a back casing, hardly makes a difference.
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Keep up with Apple? Really?

Yes. Samsung and others will look to mimic the X design of stretching the screen to all 4 corners. That's a dramatic design change.

 

[maflynn]

What are they going to do next year?

Who knows, but the point is not what will Samsung do, but rather your point that the iPhone x is redefining the smartphone, and I posted that the X represents a product that is only catching up to its competitors, and I think you're trying to move the discussion away from how the X is redefining (or not) the smartphone to criticizing the curved display of the Samsung S8.

Given that other phones have had the features of the X for many years, how is Apple redefining the smartphone market with the X?

 

[Puddled]

Given that other phones have had the features of the X for many years, how is Apple redefining the smartphone market with the X?

Its going full on in the opposite direction of Google.

Google: Function>Form
Apple: Form>Function

 

[ultravegeta1981]

I think you are focusing too much on design, which is completely subjective. However, I do feel that bringing the screen to all 4 corners is great design and I am sure will be borrowed by other phone makers in 2018. The revolutionary part of the X is the no home button and gesture based UI. This will completely change how you interact with an iPhone moving forward. Easily the most dramatic change in 10 years. The front of an iPhone has remained the same since 2007, albeit very small differences. The back is just a back casing, hardly makes a difference.
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Yes. Samsung and others will look to mimic the X design of stretching the screen to all 4 corners. That's a dramatic design change.

If The Notch wasn't there....

 

[inscrewtable]

So no, it isn’t 2007 again, not even close.

Like in 2007, we can revisit this thread in a year or two then you'll see just like we did 10 years ago. Granted back then they turned the entire smartphone industry on it's head, but it's even more difficult now to bring in true innovation. Any little tweak is deemed 'innovation' it's so over used. Face ID will be revolutionary, while everyone else put print scanners on the back, Apple went with next gen tech. Animoji's as you well know are just an in house example. Who's to what brilliant idea developers will come up with. Maybe you'll have animated game characters where you can interact with the game using facial expressions, who knows, but it's not something that anyone else can simply copy.

 

[DNichter]

Who knows, but the point is not what will Samsung do, but rather your point that the iPhone x is redefining the smartphone, and I posted that the X represents a product that is only catching up to its competitors, and I think you're trying to move the discussion away from how the X is redefining (or not) the smartphone to criticizing the curved display of the Samsung S8.

Given that other phones have had the features of the X for many years, how is Apple redefining the smartphone market with the X?

Apple has caught up in regards to things such as OLED and wireless charging, which is nice, but really minor in the grand scheme of things. I don't like saying revolutionary, but the new changes that are going to have the most impact are the screen being stretched to all four corners and the removal of home button / addition of gesture based UI. Both of these together will bring a completely different experience than we are used to. The front of an iPhone and how we interact with it has been the same (basically) since 2007.

 

[9594864]

In 2007 Apple turned the entire smart phone industry on it's head and was mercilessly mocked by Blackberry, Nokia, and Windows, 'it's doesn't even have a keyboard' roffle' they all said before Apple ate their lunch.

Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone, and yet again, not the tech companies but all the tech writers and all the tech writers' sychophants, are getting their knickers in a bunch.

Do they ever learn. The good thing this time is that it's going to be that much more difficult to simply copy what Apple have done which is surely what they will want to do.

It's going to be a hoot.

What the hell are you talking about? I’m an Apple fan, and I’m buying the X, and while I am embarrassed about their design decisions in software, that doesn’t impact my recognition that the iPhone X is absolutely NOTHING revolutionary or defining. It’s the next iPhone.

 

[DNichter]

If The Notch wasn't there....

Well the tech has to go somewhere. Until technology allows us to place all of these components under the screen, it will need to be there. Apple decided to fill as much of the phone with screen as they could while still retaining current and future functionality. I have the feeling once people have it in their hands, the notch will be the last thing on their minds. But, to each their own, you have every right not to like it.

 

[saltd]

It’s refreshing to see quite a few people on here challenging the statement that Apple is redefining the whole smartphone game, because that’s just not true. The newest Android phones are no joke, and have been far ahead of Apple in the form of groundbreaking tech for ages. I mean, Apple just released the 4th iteration of a design that was in our hands almost 4 years ago. Samsung would never let that happen.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m an Apple guy all the way, but I wouldn’t ever say that they are often on the bleeding edge of technology and design.

The thing I do appreciate is that Apple waits to implement new features until they can roll them out in a device that “just works.” At this point, however, none of us has had the chance to see if that is how it will be with the X. It likely will, but I’d say it’s a bit early to pronounce them the clear leaders in the market.

 

[maflynn]

I don't like saying revolutionary, but the new changes that are going to have the most impact are the screen being stretched to all four corners and the removal of home button / addition of gesture based UI. Both of these together will bring a completely different experience than we are used to. The front of an iPhone and how we interact with it has been the same (basically) since 2007.

I agree, the X does represent a significant change for existing iPhone users, and don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we're seeing these additions - its a bummer that Apple priced it so high and quantities are so limited, but that's a discussion for another thread.

I don't see the X changing the industry like the original iPhone did back in 2007, for the very simple reason that the X represents a phone that is catching up to android. Yes, Apple added some niceties that only apple can do, but nothing on the level of the original iPhone changing the mobile market in 2007

 

[Bane-Thunder]

You're right, the curved display of the galaxy is much more sleeker and elegant then seeing that notch

Lool hate all you like. The iPhone X is setting a new bar for bezel less phone. No phone even comes close. Too much forehead or chin bezel on all these other phones.

 

[Arran]

If The Notch wasn't there....

People would be holding their new iphones upside-down, hand over camera, wondering why it won’t unlock!

The notch says; “This way up”

 

[Diorama]

You're right, the curved display of the galaxy is much more sleeker and elegant then seeing that notch

How is space I can’t use all over the front of the phone ‘elegant’?

 

[DNichter]

It’s refreshing to see quite a few people on here challenging the statement that Apple is redefining the whole smartphone game, because that’s just not true. The newest Android phones are no joke, and have been far ahead of Apple in the form of groundbreaking tech for ages. I mean, Apple just released the 4th iteration of a design that was in our hands almost 4 years ago. Samsung would never let that happen.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m an Apple guy all the way, but I wouldn’t ever say that they are often on the bleeding edge of technology and design.

The thing I do appreciate is that Apple waits to implement new features until they can roll them out in a device that “just works.” At this point, however, none of us has had the chance to see if that is how it will be with the X. It likely will, but I’d say it’s a bit early to pronounce them the clear leaders in the market.

Android has definitely come pretty far, but I am not sure what they have brought to the table that is groundbreaking besides the screen becoming larger. Honestly curious, what have they done that is groundbreaking?

 

[maflynn]

Lool hate all you like. The iPhone X is setting a new bar for bezel less phone. No phone even comes close. Too much forehead or chin bezel on all these other phones.

I don't hate the iPhone x, you missed my point, I'm disagreeing with the assessment that the X represents a seismic change to the mobile phone market just as the 2007 iPhone had.

I'm happy that Apple added those features, and looking forward see it in person, but its not as the op stated:

Apple have again redefined the Smartphone

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How is space I can’t use all over the front of the phone ‘elegant’?

Its visually more appealing then a black rectangle that cannot be used smack in the front of the phone.

 

[pika2000]

Imo, the X is a transition device.

The next revolutionary feature is going to be assistant-based UI. We won't be looking at our devices anymore as we will simply do what we want via commands (or Apple Watch). Of course the screen will still be there for times when composing your message loudly in public is not convenient, but imo what FaceID is "teaching" us will be that we won't need to touch our phones to activate them. Just pick up and use (or speak). Baby steps in redefining the "user interface."

And Apple is not alone. Everybody realizes this (Google, Microsoft, and even Amazon and Samsung). This is the next frontier. But to get there, one has to re-teach consumers, separating our habit of holding and touching from utilizing our phone.

Obviously this is not happening next year or two. But if we go back to Apple's vision, is to make technology invincible to mere mortals, to just work. AI, machine learning, are the ingredients in creating the personal assistant, the next "user interface."

 

[DNichter]

I agree, the X does represent a significant change for existing iPhone users, and don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we're seeing these additions - its a bummer that Apple priced it so high and quantities are so limited, but that's a discussion for another thread.

I don't see the X changing the industry like the original iPhone did back in 2007, for the very simple reason that the X represents a phone that is catching up to android. Yes, Apple added some niceties that only apple can do, but nothing on the level of the original iPhone changing the mobile market in 2007

I agree with that. It's not nearly the same as it was in 2007, but you're right, it's a pretty big jump for people who prefer iOS / iPhone. I don't really compare what Apple does with Android competition as I feel that most people probably have an OS platform of choice by now and will likely stick with that for the foreseeable future. I think this forum is a small minority that probably considers both sides. While the tech in the X isn't new by any means, it's definitely a significant jump for people who use iOS.
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Imo, the X is a transition device.

The next revolutionary feature is going to be assistant-based UI. We won't be looking at our devices anymore as we will simply do what we want via commands (or Apple Watch). Of course the screen will still be there for times when composing your message loudly in public is not convenient, but imo what FaceID is "teaching" us will be that we won't need to touch our phones to activate them. Just pick up and use (or speak). Baby steps in redefining the "user interface."

And Apple is not alone. Everybody realizes this (Google, Microsoft, and even Amazon and Samsung). This is the next frontier. But to get there, one has to re-teach consumers, separating our habit of holding and touching from utilizing our phone.

Obviously this is not happening next year or two. But if we go back to Apple's vision, is to make technology invincible to mere mortals, to just work. AI, machine learning, are the ingredients in creating the personal assistant, the next "user interface."

Well I sure hope not. I never use Siri and would hate talking to my devices.