It's be 5 months now... what drawbacks are there for the iPhone 6/6+

[sunking101]

Oh come on man.
I just found the first best article which is not a million pages long. It's has been know for years that there is quite a difference between android and iOS and how they use ram and there have been ram wars for years about it.
This article sums it up in a nice and understandable way. You can doubt the source and label it "clickbait" but you cannot doubt the truth.

The 'truth' is that my 6+ reloads for fun and it ruins the device for me. I mainly web browse on my phone and the bigger screen was supposed to help...but they crippled the device with insufficient RAM and it so happens that my old iPhone 5 was actually better to browse on. My Android tablet has only 1.5GB of RAM and also performs much better, so the old argument about Android needing 3GB when iOS only needs 1GB is total BS. I've seen the results for myself. As for the Air 2 iPad, everyone states that tabs and apps reload much less frequently with the extra gig of RAM. Things still aren't perfect though, so maybe Apple should be throwing 3 or 4 gigs at the iPad! The truth is that they always skimp on RAM. Apologists bang on about how the reloading can be cured by software updates but this problem is only getting worse. Apparently it's uncouth to throw RAM at the problem like Android does, yet Android's solution works and Apple's doesn't! How many generations do we have to wait until this mystical 1GB non-reloading iPhone appears??

 

[McDaddio]

It's been a couple months since the launch of the 6 and 6+. What drawbacks that were originally claimed for the phone actually present themselves?

For me, I'd definitely say it's the RAM amount. Far far too many times are apps such as safari reloaded from simply switching between two apps for a period of time...

I think it has too much ram. I would prefer a lighter phone because I don't need the extra weight of 512m of memory.

When I run with the phone every little bit of weight makes a difference.

 

[crashoverride77]

The 'truth' is that my 6+ reloads for fun and it ruins the device for me. I mainly web browse on my phone and the bigger screen was supposed to help...but they crippled the device with insufficient RAM and it so happens that my old iPhone 5 was actually better to browse on. My Android tablet has only 1.5GB of RAM and also performs much better, so the old argument about Android needing 3GB when iOS only needs 1GB is total BS. I've seen the results for myself. As for the Air 2 iPad, everyone states that tabs and apps reload much less frequently with the extra gig of RAM. Things still aren't perfect though, so maybe Apple should be throwing 3 or 4 gigs at the iPad! The truth is that they always skimp on RAM. Apologists bang on about how the reloading can be cured by software updates but this problem is only getting worse. Apparently it's uncouth the throw RAM at the problem like Android does, yet Android's solution works and Apple's doesn't! How many generations fld

Everyone wants more ram obviously, including me. I just stated that on iPhones its a lot less noticeable than on iPads and everyone is going bananas.

How does androids solution work and apples doesn't?
Try having 20-30-40 apps open in multitasking on Android and than see how smoth that Lollipop tastes because your 4GB of ram won't do much.

 

[sunking101]

Everyone wants more ram obviously, including me. I just stated that on iPhones is a lot less noticeable than on iPads and everyone is going bananas.

How does androids solution work and apples doesn't? Try having 20-30 apps open in multitasking on Android and than see how smoth that Lollipop tastes because your 4GB of ram won't do much.

Why on earth would I have 20-30 apps open?? My 6+ can't even swap between two browser tabs and one app without them all reloading. I would be happy if I could manage *that*, and extremely satisfied if I could have a few tabs open and a couple of apps without any reloading. That should be child's play for a £700 device in early 2015.

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I think it has too much ram. I would prefer a lighter phone because I don't need the extra weight of 512m of memory.

When I run with the phone every little bit of weight makes a difference.

I'm assuming that's a joke.☺️
If not, then you're more concerned with the weight of your phone whilst it is inactive in your pocket than any other consideration? In that case you should choose a small, plastic phone.

 

[crashoverride77]

Why on earth would I have 20-30 apps open?? My 6+ can't even swap between two browser tabs and one app without them all reloading. I would be happy if I could manage *that*, and extremely satisfied if I could have a few tabs open and a couple of apps without any reloading. That should be child's play for a £700 device in early 2015.

Omg and that's why you need an Android. iOS was DESIGNED this way.
Closing an app LOL, that's an ancient concept designed by fools and the most successful tech company in the world surely is not a fool if only a bit greedy.

Counter question. Why wouldn't I want to have 20-40 apps open and not care about it? Surely beats constantly managing my open apps to make sure the OS doesn't run like crap, it's like defragging Windows "no end user should ever have to know about it"

 

[sunking101]

Omg and that's why you need an Android. iOS was DESIGNED this way.
Closing an app LOL, that's an ancient concept designed by fools and the most successful tech company in the world surely is not a fool if only a bit greedy.

Counter question. Why wouldn't I want to have 20-40 apps open and not care about it? Surely beats constantly managing my open apps, it's like defragging Windows "no end user should ever have to know about it"

iOS worked better on my iPhone 5 because the tabs reloaded less frequently. So iOS obviously wasn't 'designed this way'.
As for closing apps, I have to do it every 5-10 minutes on my 6+ because the dreaded spinning data wheel sticks whilst using Safari and I have to force-close the app to make it stop.
SO, closing apps is actually required MORE often with iOS than with Android and frankly, if a small clean-up was required every day to enable a non-reloading system then I would find that a price worth paying.

 

[sanke1]

Google has very well fixed the RAM leaks and allows lollipop to run even on 1 GB devices. But 2 GB really hits the sweet spot for vanilla Android v5. Bloats like Touchwiz and Sense drive up the RAM requirements.

Apple made vast sweeping changes to the underlying code in iOS 8. That included changes to touch algorithm. They may be laying the foundation for future iOS releases which would happen on better and faster hardware. But currently, iOS 8 feels a tad bit clumsy on year old devices especially the touch and responsiveness.

Point being, Apple knew that people will buy iPhone 6 based on screen size alone this year. The increase in RAM and APU (CPU+GPU) power will be incentive to buy next 2015 fall model. To think of it, Apple could've also gotten away with 1 GB RAM in iPad Air 2.

My honest opinion is everyone at Apple knew before launch that specs wise, they were selling an already outdated iPhone 6.

 

[crashoverride77]

iOS worked better on my iPhone 5 because the tabs reloaded less frequently. So iOS obviously wasn't 'designed this way'.
As for closing apps, I have to do it every 5-10 minutes on my 6+ because the dreaded spinning data wheel sticks whilst using Safari and I have to force-close the app to make it stop.
SO, closing apps is actually required MORE often with iOS than with Android and frankly, if a small clean-up was required every day to enable a non-reloading system then I would find that a price worth paying.

I understand what you are saying but we are not on the same wavelength.

Android uses a different memort system and needs 1-2gb more to make the device run smoothly most of the time because multitasking is handled different.
iOS simply kicks out apps when it needs more ram and that's why it can have 20-40 apps open and nothing happens. I believe you cannot do this on android without a performance hit, especially with little ram.

However yes iOS with 64 bit needs more ram so stuff reloads a bit more and therefore more ram would always be welcome. Again back to my original comment to the OP, I was just stating that I personally find it to be less annoying on iPhones than it was on iPads before the Air 2. That's it.
The 6s will most certainly have 2gb.

 

[MagicBoy]

Oh come on man.
I just found the first best article which is not a million pages long. It's has been know for years that there is quite a difference between android and iOS and how they use ram and there have been ram wars for years about it.
This article sums it up in a nice and understandable way. You can doubt the source and label it "clickbait" but you cannot doubt the truth.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Why-...and-iOS-gets-by-with-1GB-of-the-stuff_id62901

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-anal...an-android-with-more-than-2gb-ram-242029.html

IBTimes is a bad source. In my opinion they republish vast amounts of badly researched dross and manipulate search rankings. I've close to zero respect for anything they produce, but they make money by getting advertising based on page views so it will continue.

Show me something from a respected media organisation or technical publication and I'm all ears.

I'm well aware of how Java works, I've a Computing related degree. It's a good solution for Google as it allows the same App to run on different hardware platforms easily - you don't end up with multiple versions for different architectures like say Windows CE/Mobile did. Downside is that Apps written in Java will be less efficient than iOS apps as they're bytecode rather than optimised for a specific architecture.

Garbage collection was touted as a major benefit to Java, when it was first launched and C++ was common you had to allocate and deallocate memory manually. Java just sorted that out for you.

 

[cracksoup]

Sometimes I wonder if Apple even hear their customers. This RAM problem is a major fault in all iOS devices (I don't know how it is in the Air 2 though) and they do nothing. Why? They have every resource they need to make their customers completely satisfied and make them buy iPhones for many generations to come. Instead they risk their reputation by keeping the iOS devices at an embarrassingly low amount of RAM. They are quite near perfect in some areas and boosting the RAM would eliminate one of the biggest problems I have with iOS devices.

I will be looking out for 6S and hope this is fixed by then. If not, I can't see myself buying another iPhone.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Sometimes I wonder if Apple even hear their customers. This RAM problem is a major fault in all iOS devices (I don't know how it is in the Air 2 though) and they do nothing. Why? They have every resource they need to make their customers completely satisfied and make them buy iPhones for many generations to come. Instead they risk their reputation by keeping the iOS devices at an embarrassingly low amount of RAM. They are quite near perfect in some areas and boosting the RAM would eliminate one of the biggest problems I have with iOS devices.

I will be looking out for 6S and hope this is fixed by then. If not, I can't see myself buying another iPhone.

It could be that Apple does listen but also realise that some are going to hate no matter what. Apple knows what adding an extra GB of RAM will do and they likely know it will not solve the reloads.

Apple will likley go to 2gb on the iPhone 7 but more important is that they fix the OS to deal with this and other problems. Apple is admitting their OS is in need of reapir and are going to work on it.

In the mean time I am enjoying my iPad Air 2 and 6/6+ iphones that give me very little problems.

 

[crashoverride77]

IBTimes is a bad source. In my opinion they republish vast amounts of badly researched dross and manipulate search rankings. I've close to zero respect for anything they produce, but they make money by getting advertising based on page views so it will continue.

Show me something from a respected media organisation or technical publication and I'm all ears.

I'm well aware of how Java works, I've a Computing related degree. It's a good solution for Google as it allows the same App to run on different hardware platforms easily - you don't end up with multiple versions for different architectures like say Windows CE/Mobile did. Downside is that Apps written in Java will be less efficient than iOS apps as they're bytecode rather than optimised for a specific architecture.

It is known that android and iOS handle ram differently, this shouldn't even be a debate anymore in 2015. No offence but it doesn't matter that you got a computing degree, the proof is in the pudding as a poster above me said.

The fact is ios 8 can run on iPad 2 and iPhone 4S with most features working and it can also run pretty much all apps from the App Store. Yes the UI navigation/CPU tasks might be a bit slower due to the older A Series chips and stuff reloads more due to 512MB of ram but it runs fine without any serious compromise.

The fact is Android kitkat and lollipop are basically useless if not unusable on 512/1GB devices and 2GB also doesn't really cut it. That's all you need to know about efficiency.

Android devices have double/triple the ram of iOS devices not because they can but because they have to.

 

[sunking101]

It is known that android and iOS handle ram differently, this shouldn't even be a debate anymore in 2015. No offence but it doesn't matter that you got a computing degree, the proof is in the pudding as a poster above me said.

The fact is ios 8 can run on iPad 2 and iPhone 4S with most features working and it can also run pretty much all apps from the App Store. Yes the UI navigation/CPU tasks might be a bit slower due to the older A Series chips and stuff reloads more due to 512MB of ram but it runs fine without any serious compromise.

The fact is Android kitkat and lollipop are basically useless if not unusable on 512/1GB devices and 2GB also doesn't really cut it. That's all you need to know about efficiency.

Android devices have double/triple the ram of iOS devices not because they can but because they have to.

Whatever the ins and outs, Android devices ship with the appropriate amount of RAM to get the job done and iPhones don't. I don't believe that Android needs three or four times the amount of RAM that iOS does and my own personal experience of Android & iOS devices back this up (*for me).

 

[crashoverride77]

Sometimes I wonder if Apple even hear their customers. This RAM problem is a major fault in all iOS devices (I don't know how it is in the Air 2 though) and they do nothing. Why? They have every resource they need to make their customers completely satisfied and make them buy iPhones for many generations to come. Instead they risk their reputation by keeping the iOS devices at an embarrassingly low amount of RAM. They are quite near perfect in some areas and boosting the RAM would eliminate one of the biggest problems I have with iOS devices.

I will be looking out for 6S and hope this is fixed by then. If not, I can't see myself buying another iPhone.

How many users out of the 75 millions that have a 6/6Plus do you reckon are dissatisfied due to Ram?
The 6s will most certainly have 2GB if not than like you said you should just buy another phone. I hear the new Samsung will get a decent fingerprint scanner and guaranteed updates for at least 1 week. They also fixed Touch Wiz, said some guy that just woke up. You will love the world of OEMs but at least you don't have to worry about ram.

 

[MagicBoy]

No offence but it doesn't matter that you got a computing degree, the proof is in the pudding as a poster above me said.

It makes me more qualified than the typical layman to read a badly written bit of clickbait and be able to make an informed decision as to the level of accuracy.

I'm sure ignorance is bliss.

Back on the original topic - iI'll trust the engineers at Apple to determine what's appropriate for their platform, not an uninformed internet mob that are either 1) Opening 30 tabs on a mobile device and/or 2) jumping to assumptions based on a hardware spec sheet.

 

[crashoverride77]

Whatever the ins and outs, Android devices ship with the appropriate amount of RAM to get the job done and iPhones don't. I don't believe that Android needs three or four times the amount of RAM that iOS does and my own personal experience of Android & iOS devices back this up (*for me).

My iPhone 6 gets the job done pretty spectacularly. This is especially true when it's having a chat with my Mac or iPad, they all seem to like each other.

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It makes me more qualified than the typical layman to read a badly written bit of clickbait and be able to make an informed decision as to the level of accuracy.

I'm sure ignorance is bliss.

Back on the original topic - iI'll trust the engineers at Apple to determine what's appropriate for their platform, not an uninformed internet mob that are either 1) Opening 30 tabs on a mobile device and/or 2) jumping to assumptions based on a hardware spec sheet.

So I am ingorant after I send you THREE links just because you have a computer degree and say so?
I am so ingorant that YOU ignore everything else I say?
Give Apple a call I'm sure a technician will explain it to you.

Reading your comments tho you seem to be on my side I think

 

[sunking101]

My iPhone 6 gets the job done pretty spectacularly. This is especially true when it's having a chat with my Mac or iPad, they all seem to like each other.

I meant getting the job done when it comes to tab and app reloading. The generally buggy nature of iOS8 aside, an iPhone 6 is up to most other jobs for sure. Don't forget that the 6+ reloads (and is more buggy) than the iPhone 6, and that most iPhone owners don't notice the lack of RAM because they use their phones in such a basic manner that it doesn't prohibit anything. Failing to notice something, not coming across an issue in your normal daily usage, or accepting an issue as being part & parcel of iPhone ownership is not evidence that it doesn't exist. Folk complain about a lot of things on these forums which don't impact me and therefore it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. The lack of RAM impacts me several times a day, hence why I complain about it. The fact my iPhone 5 reloads WAY less kinda bothers me, as a two generations newer model should perform better, or at least no worse in every single respect.

 

[Skylitfly]

I like everything about my iPhone 6.

Except minor bugs with iOS 8 but nothing dramatic.

 

[crashoverride77]

I like everything about my iPhone 6.

Except minor bugs with iOS 8 but nothing dramatic.

Which is pretty much the experience for the majority of people. 75million devices sold in the last quarter doesn't lie.

 

[sunking101]

Which is pretty much the experience for the majority of people. 75million devices sold in the last quarter doesn't lie.

For a start off, I bought one too...and I'm unhappy. Also, the vast majority of iPhone owners aren't registered on MacRumors. Plus we can't discount the fact that most iPhone owners use their devices in a very basic manner. My mate's girlfriend only uses hers for Whatsapp, phonecalls and Twitter.

 

[firedept]

Can not complain about anything with my iPhone 6. Been working perfect for my needs since day one of its introduction.

 

[crashoverride77]

For a start off, I bought one too...and I'm unhappy. Also, the vast majority of iPhone owners aren't registered on MacRumors. Plus we can't discount the fact that most iPhone owners use their devices in a very basic manner. My mate's girlfriend only uses hers for Whatsapp, phonecalls and Twitter.

Some Fortune 500 companies, some hospitals, some schools, some normal businesses, IBM etc all seem pretty happy and when I say some I mean a lot. IBM is so happy that they will make a lot of vertical and horizontal apps for the aviation, finance etc sectors, surely can't be that bad.

It's simple, if you are unhappy than change device. You are in the minority of 1% if not less, it has nothing to do with how many people are on MacRumors (apparenty the source for all customer complaints) or how many are using their iPhone in a basic way (whatever that means).
If everyone wants more ram than why is nobody buying Android premium devices unless it's maybe Samsung? People buy what they want and it is not high end Android phones.

 

[newellj]

I like everything about my iPhone 6.

Except minor bugs with iOS 8 but nothing dramatic.

Can not complain about anything with my iPhone 6. Been working perfect for my needs since day one of its introduction.

I was going to say that the major drawback about the iPhone 6 is that it is such an improvement over the 5 and 5S that I wound up not only upgrading one phone at a discount on launch day but buying another one out of contract a week later. I haven't changed my mind about the phone in the five months since.

 

[JoEw]

My 6 has been excellent, however my friends 6+ has been the opposite. I really don't think the phone was ready (software wise).

 

[Asdasdisback]

I'm going to buy a 6/6+ next week, from a 4s with a cracked screen for the last 3 months(lol). So whats the downsides of those two? I'm oriented for a 6+ because mainly i listen to music and watch/show my videos for work, i'm a video editor so videos are my daily food. Plus, is the "phablet" real? I wanted a 6+ not only for the screen/battery , but also because i don't own an iPad and it would fix both needs.

edit: is the UI lag so frustrating?

iPhone 6+ owners, sup?