Still good. I guess I'll find out in a couple of years on how good, or bad support is.
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iPhone XS Max It''s good to see that all 3 iphones are having slow sales
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Still good. I guess I'll find out in a couple of years on how good, or bad support is.
You could bring information about the great success of Xr.
BestBuy Sales Rank....
https://media.thinknum.com/articles/the-iphone-xs-xs-max-and-xr-continue-to-lag-at-best-buy/
I mean, for me it's not a flop, but is obvious that is selling bad.
The link you provided has zero contribution to the XR, it refers to the XS. Two different phones, and keep in mind, we should see a comparison of annual continuum versus a three month stagger, that way it allows to see previous comparisons.
At a certain point, it becomes the principle of the thing. It seems wrong to ostensibly offer the ultra-premium product in the category and package it with budget peripherals. I actually admire the people in here who have made the effort to switch, my 'silent resistance' has simply been using the products I've bought longer which is kind of gutless.
For me it's actually more about principle than the price. I'm not looking to spend less, or else I would have bought the XR. I just don't like to be made to feel stupid for buying a product (and yes paying more for a slow charger and the ridiculous pricing of memory when you go up from 64MB doesn't make me feel like I've made an awesome purchase).
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Yes, but as I said before, there are a lot of people pro Apple that would be the first to say that it's selling much better than expected. But we only have rumors of sales going down, and none of Xr selling well...
Btw, you only need to look at the Apple Store and you will see that Xr is not selling like hotcakes
It's to expensive for what it deliver, for me and a lot of people. But it's not a flop of course, it's an Iphone
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Ok, so no relevant chart/article for the XR then?
Most, including yourself is always worried about the first initial two months rush, and the XR will be successful, this phone is slated to do really well long run, and easily will outsell the XS simply because of the price point. That’s a reality.
Out of curiosity, how long have you been following Apple? And the reason I ask, is because year after year, those ‘articles’ that you’re referring to, are analyst predictions, which have been proven wrong in so many accounts, it’s the same results every year, the iPhone traditionally surpasses most expectations.
This is a bad example that you’re trying to portray here. Just because Apple stores or one Apple store that you’re referring to, you don’t speak for all Apple stores or carriers that sell the XR. I could make the exact counter argument to yours, and I was at my carrier just before Black Friday and the best selling phone in their store was the XR according to the store manager, even over the XS.
Point is, we can’t just use an Apple store to gauge how well the iPhone is selling. The same was said about the Apple Watch when that that wasn’t selling, because nobody was flocking to the Apple Watch display table, and that’s the best selling smart watch on the market.
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It's good for all of us if this year's iPhones sell poorly. Apple will know that they need to up their game next year. I think that the 2018 phones were perhaps to smallest upgrade from the previous year in the history of the iPhone.
But then it’s also proof that it’s anything but just a phone. It’s a personal computer in your pocket. Not saying you need the latest, but your outlined use case destroys the “its a phone” argument by itself.
We are in an era now where iPhones are almost identical in use due to iOS and I think a fair chunk of average consumers are getting what they need. Apple will always sell a lot of phones but a new look and telling people they can now unlock their phone with their face gets a rather large shoulder shrug with some. We know what smartphones are now and what they are capable of so they’ve become less exciting I’d say. Add to that a £1k+ price tag and you’ll hear ‘its alright, this phone is great and i’ll wait for it to break’ lol.
You are right. I should’ve said this model that is half the price works perfectly fine for my usage. Even thought I use it a ton, I don’t see a need to spend 1,000+ on the device. To make matters worse, there are a ton of competing devices that are cheaper that give similar or better performance in certain areas. I’m mainly here for iOS and how well my devices sync and the content I own.
And, this is what draws the loyalty to Apple from its user base, iOS/Ecosystem. But, Apple is trying to persuade users with older Gen iPhones to upgrade to the latest iPhones.
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In my opinion, I almost think it’s unnecessary that the iPhone needs to have an annual release every year, because there is such a thing called consumer exhaustion, and what that means, is that with the rising cost of technology and smart phones, consumers generally don’t upgrade every year, and when they see these inflated costs on the rise, it’s keeping them to retain their smart phones longer. I mean, is it absolutely necessary that we have a new iPhone every single year? I get that it is Apple’s primary source of income, but have we reached a point where we _need_ an iPhone every year?
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It wasn't necessary years ago but people like new things so they keep upgrading. Of course, many people don't upgrade as much anymore and most would probably be fine without upgrading for a few years at this point. My wife and kids still use a 5s phone.
Here is a confirmed source, straight from Tim Cook. You choose to be stubborn and in denial despite everything out there pointing to disappointing iPhone sales. Are you still going to be in denial after this?
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/02/apple-lowers-q1-2019-revenue-guidance/
I’m sure Cook thinks now the battery replacement scheme has ended and the next iPhone should be released a year after the XS rather than 11 months, sales will be back on track. All the while ignoring the fact there is a growing opinion the cost of these new phones is too much for a certain segment of their customers.
I bought a 2018 MacBook Pro yesterday for my wife and it cost £65 less than the largest storage tier XS Max! That gives some perspective that Apple seem to have lost. Why are consumers buying batteries for their iPhone 6S instead of buying the XR or XS? Times have changed and iPhones are more expensive and less exciting when they all do essentially the same thing. Hopefully Cook is beginning to scratch his head and wonder if this is the start of the new trend.
Because all the apps still work just fine and the phones are still smooth enough to navigate through vs paying another grand for a phone I would presume.
Yes, Cook relayed exactly likely what he didn’t want to, and Apples prices for phones are one thing that need to be considered moving forward, which is contributing to some strain clearly as a result of the influx of price, but it Seems Cook doesn’t agree with pricing revisiona versus creating alternatives for the buyer through more trade in’s and China is to blame through declining sales, and likely Tariffs. Either way, which direction does Apple take from here? To me, he looks to place emphasis on other contributing factors other than just iPhone price points, Look at what he is saying with the latest update:
Update: Apple CEO Tim Cook sat down for an exclusive interview with CNBC, where he further explained the guidance revision. He said the shortfall is over 100 percent from iPhone and primarily from Greater China due to a slowing economy during the second half of 2018.
Cook says trade tensions with the U.S. put additional pressure on the Chinese economy, leading to less traffic in stores and lower sales. Cook also blamed fewer carrier subsidies, a stronger dollar, and the $29 battery replacement program, suggesting that those factors led to fewer iPhone upgrades than expected. Going forward, Cook says Apple will focus "really deeply" on things it can control, boosting future sales through trade-in program marketing, monthly pricing options, and more focus on in-store services such as data transfer.
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Meaning he sees no issue with pricing or the strong competition from other hardware manafactuers.
Samsung and Huawei could eat Tims lunch this year. And he won't do anything, he'll just sit in the corner and cry like a little b......
Don't worry, little Jonny will save the day with the thinnest iphone ever. And don't forget the unicorn iOS13 which will turn all ipads into laptop beaters. And what's that on the horizon? iMac Pro "Pro" - now even thinner with minor spec bumps unless you spent three times more. And I nearly forgot airpods 2, now with wireless charging and nothing else. This is going to be a bumper year!
We'll see....
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Watch Dave2D’s take on the XR and how people dont want the 2nd rate iPhone but the real deal because Apple is perceived as a luxury brand
Glad to see you are not in denial anymore. Here is another piece for you to reflect that nobody wants the cheaper iPhone XR just like nobody wanted the cheaper iPhone 5C. Apple made the same mistake TWICE and now they are really paying for it. There wont be an iPhone XR2
Apple is doomed! IOW, time to buy Apple stock.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/3/1...mas-day-activations-record-tim-cook-us-canada
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/3/1...mas-day-activations-record-tim-cook-us-canada
I’m sure that is one part of it and I’m not saying that it’s wrong. But the guy goes through other reasons. However, they are only possible reasons. There are always some rather sad people who stick their noses up at something perceived as second best. But is it really a significant number? I also got the impression that sales are down across the iPhone line - iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max too - not just the XR.
For years people were banging on about Apple giving people choice. But when they do give choice they are still criticised.
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His opinion is as worthy as anybody’s but I see plenty of people snubbing the new iPhones and keeping their old ones. I doubt that has anything to do with wanting to appear superior with a luxury handset. Perhaps I’m just lucky I live somewhere where the iPhone is too common to be considered a status symbol maybe?
I can’t speak for everyone but I can speak for myself. I bought an iPhone X 256 coming from a 5S that was slowing a lot on iOS 10 and 11. The price of the X was eye watering but I needed a phone and had the resources to purchase one outright. I bought it in spite of the price not because of the price. This last price hike is not easily palatable for most so they will keep older phones till it’s necessary to upgrade. I plan to keep the X for another 3-4 years. If it’s working well I’ll keep it even longer. It’s hard to keep upgrading in short spaces of time at these prices. I prefer Apple so I will stay but it feels harder and harder to get new stuff at significantly higher prices but not necessarily improvements in line with the price hikes. That’s my opinion at least.
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