iPhone XS Max It''s good to see that all 3 iphones are having slow sales

[Ermir444]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

I hope Apple has finally learned that their customers do not want to be seen with the "2nd best iPhone" and pay $750 for it. The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS". The only difference is that you could just add $100 to jump from 5C to 5S while now you need to add $250 to jump from XR to XS. I know a lot of people who have elected to buy last year's iPhone X instead of the XR even at a slight premium because of that exact reason.

I believe Apple would have sold more phones at a similar or higher ASP with the following lineup:
iPhone X - $799
iPhone XS - $899
iPhone XS+ - $999

 

[44267547]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

So by your theory, you think Apple introduced the XR for one year and they are going to discontinue it? Not even close. The XR is massive part of the iPhone future. All of Apple’s competitors are offering 6” iPhones, and it was a necessary move to compete and offer a device under the XS, because the XS proves to be to expensive for some consumers to want to upgrade to.

The XR closely competes against the XS, minus the telephoto camera, OLED panel and aesthetics.

The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS".

I think this statement really shows how out of touch you are with the ‘tech world’, and you couldn’t be any more wrong. Do you have any idea how many _can_ afford the XS, but they made the conscious decision to say, ‘I don’t need to spend $1000 on an iPhone when the XR delivers a very similar experience’ with iOS, and they see the same form factor, the colors are just a marketing attraction for the XR.

Even members in this very thread can afford the XS, but they realize they don’t want to spend that much on an iPhone. Perhaps you need to rethink your statement above.

 

[Phone Junky]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

I hope Apple has finally learned that their tech forum customers do not want to be seen with the "2nd best iPhone" and pay $750 for it.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Ermir444]

So by your theory, you think Apple introduced the XR for one year and they are going to discontinue it?

Yes, just like they did with the 5C after realizing what a big flop it was. There wont be a successor to the XR, its a massive flop.

 

[44267547]

There wont be a successor to the XR, its a massive flop.

1.) Please provide a source for how you know definitively know ‘There won’t be a successor to the XR’.

2.) Please provide a source for how you definitively know XR ‘Being a massive flop’.

Again, you don’t seem to have much knowledge in the tech era or in the least, how Apple operates.

 

[Ermir444]

I think this statement really shows how out of touch you are with the ‘tech world’, and you couldn’t be any more wrong. Do you have any idea how many _can_ afford the XS, but they made the conscious decision to say, ‘I don’t need to spend $1000 on an iPhone when the XR delivers a very similar experience’ with iOS, and they see the same form factor, the colors are just a marketing attraction for the XR.

Even members in this very thread can afford the XS, but they realize they don’t want to spend that much on an iPhone. Perhaps you need to rethink your statement above.

Wrong again! You fail to understand the average iPhone buyer outside the big countries that have IUP. In these "emerging countries" iPhones are purchased OUTRIGHT mostly by the affluent, meaning that its a more of a status symbol purchase and not a utility purchase. That's why the XR is suffering so much in big emerging markets like China. In india, where specs are valued more, the big screen iPhone XR is about 2x more expensive that megaspeced alternatives like the Pocophone and is perceived as a horrible value. Thats why Apple has traditionally suffered in india.

In developed countries where IUP is available like US, Canada, UK, Germany etc, the outright costs of the iPhone is spread over 24 months with only 10 - 15 USD extra a month to jump from XR to XS. That is way more justifiable even as a utility purchase because you can literally skip 3 Starbucks coffees a month to have the latest and greatest iPhone.

get your head outside of the forums and into the real world, where the iPhone XR is a rare occurrence.
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1.) Please provide a source for how you know definitively know ‘There won’t be a successor to the XR’.

My opinion based on past history with Apple and the iPhone 5C. The parallels are clear.

2.) Please provide a source for how you definitively know XR ‘Being a massive flop’.
Again, you don’t seem to have much knowledge in the tech era or in the least, how Apple operates.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/14/kuo-iphone-xr-demand-lower-than-expected/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/not-so...-price-of-iphone-xr-to-boost-sales-1542896625
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...all-three-new-iphone-models-wsj-idUSKCN1NO0WG
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-resumes-production-discontinued-iphone-221343929.html (***last one proves my point even more)

Let me know if you need anymore because major publications are filled with these.

 

[44267547]

iPhones are purchased OUTRIGHT mostly by the affluent, meaning that its a more of a status symbol purchase and not a utility purchase.

False. The majority of iPhones are actually financed through carrier subsidized payments. Anyone, and I mean anyone can purchase an iPhone without having to pay in full for it. It doesn’t show what type of person you are by owning an iPhone, it’s a tool, not a piece of jewelry.

That's why the XR is suffering so much in big emerging markets like China.

Source? Again, how do you know the XR is ‘suffering’?

with only 10 - 15 USD extra a month to jump from XR to XS. That is way more justifiable even as a utility purchase because you can literally skip 3 Starbucks coffees a month to have the latest and greatest iPhone..

You’re analogy isn’t working. The consumer sees the price tag as a whole, and when they can save $250 by opting for the iPhone XR, they see the same form factor as the XS, they don’t care about things like stainless steel bands, OLED panels, they experience the same iOS, Face ID and form factor with the XR. Long term, I think the XR is slated to do very well.
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My opinion based on past history with Apple and the iPhone 5C. The parallels are clear.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/14/kuo-iphone-xr-demand-lower-than-expected/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/not-so...-price-of-iphone-xr-to-boost-sales-1542896625
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones/apple-cuts-production-orders-for-all-three-new-iphone-models-wsj-

Those are _not_ confirmed sources. They are analysts predictions. It’s basically future beliefs of what they believe will happen, not what they know. No one has inside information to Apple’s sales. You might want to read some of your Googled ‘sources’ before you post them.

 

[Ermir444]

False. The majority of iPhones are actually financed through carrier subsidized payments. Anyone, and I mean anyone can purchase an iPhone without having to pay in full for it. It doesn’t show what type of person you are by owning an iPhone, it’s a tool, not a piece of jewelry.



Source? Again, how do you know the XR is ‘suffering’?




You’re analogy isn’t working. The consumer sees the price tag as a whole, and when they can save $250 by opting for the iPhone XR, they see the same form factor as the XS, they don’t care about things like stainless steel bands, OLED panels, they experience the same iOS, Face ID and form factor with the XR. Long term, I think the XR is slated to do very well.
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Those are _not_ confirmed sources. They are analysts predictions. It’s basically future beliefs of what they believe will happen, not what they know. No one has inside information to Apple’s sales. You might want to read some of your Googled ‘sources’ before you post them.

Quote from Forbes: ''Let’s not forget that the traditional rush to pre-order the iPhone XR did not result in ’sold out’ signs going out on the first day. In fact it took four days before there was a shipping delay being notified to purchasers. Following that soft launch period, Apple has reportedly cut the production line of iPhone XR’s from 60 lines to 45. Even allowing for a rush to accommodate the initial demand, the reconfiguration of capacity is a noticeable cut.''
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...-danger-decision-revenue-margin/#62db16341c0c

I can do this all day. There is millions of reports out there.

The company has lost almost A THIRD of its value since beginning of October after announcing that they wont publish iPhone sales unit numbers during quarterly earnings anymore. The street smells the BS and reads the weak iPhone XR sales reports by analysts. We might never know the full number of iPhone XR sold because Apple wont announce them anymore. Why do you think that is????

 

[44267547]

Quote from Forbes

Forbes is a source? You yet have no provided any validated sources proving the XR is a flop. And as for these analysts articles you keep posting, Since when did they have inside information to Apple’s sales units for the XR? Please, post something relevant proving how the XR is specifically flopping? (As you made that claim multiple times.)

I can do this all day. There is millions of reports out there.

‘Millions’ of reports? Of what exactly? So we are supposed to deem the XR a failure because you posted a Forbes article? You called it a ‘massive flop’ earlier, yet you failed to explain how is it’s a massive flap when it’s only been available for two months? Please, can you provide a valid source for how you know it’s a flop, and not some analyst prediction, those are two things that are not mutually exclusive you keep comparing.

The company has lost almost A THIRD of its value since beginning of October after announcing that they wont publish iPhone sales unit numbers during quarterly earnings anymore.

OK, so by your theory, Apple is tanking and so is the XR, because they won’t post numbers anymore, therefore we should just assume that the XR is a ‘massive flop’ because you say so and the other “millions” of analyst predictions that are wrong year after year ? Am I right?

For the record, none of Apples competition produces sales numbers either, so why should Apple? They’re not obligated to post sales number for iPhones.

 

[Ermir444]

Forbes is a source? You yet have no provided any validated sources proving the XR is a flop. And as for these analysts articles you keep posting, Since when did they have inside information to Apple’s sales units for the XR? Please, post something relevant proving how the XR is specifically flopping? (As you made that claim multiple times.)



‘Millions’ of reports? Of what exactly? So we are supposed to deem the XR a failure because you posted a Forbes article? You called it a ‘massive flop’ earlier, yet you failed to explain how is it’s a massive flap when it’s only been available for two months? Please, can you provide a valid source for how you know it’s a flop, and not some analyst prediction, those are two things that are not mutually exclusive you keep comparing.




OK, so by your theory, Apple is tanking and so is the XR, because they won’t post numbers anymore, therefore we should just assume that the XR is a ‘massive flop’ because you say so and the other “millions” of analyst predictions that are wrong year after year ? Am I right?

For the record, none of Apples competition produces sales numbers either, so why should Apple? They’re not obligated to post sales number for iPhones.

I have been giving you, sources, charts, articles.... but cant really help how much in denial you are. The writing is on the wall but you choose to be oblivious to it.

They had no probs bragging about iPhone sales numbers so far, did they? Why did they stop all of the sudden? Because they want to be like "the others"? They wont post numbers BECAUSE THEY ARE IN DECLINE. iPhone units are tanking hence the stock is tanking.

 

[44267547]

I have been giving you, sources, charts, articles.... but cant really help how much in denial you are.

No, actually what you’ve been providing me is analyst predictions versus validated sources how they would have inside information to Apple’s numbers. Again, those are two things that are not mutually exclusive, none of those analysts know Apple sales numbers, only Apple does. So why is it your after year Apples iPhone sales have progressively been very good compared to what the negativity tries to predict this time of year? That’s the question you seemingly keep refuting to answer that I asked multiple times.

iPhone units are tanking hence the stock is tanking.

For the fourth time, please provide a validated source showing Apples numbers are in severe decline with the XR and it’s a ‘massive flop’ as you stated in your previous post, otherwise what you’re saying is exactly what you’re posting, which is nothing of substance with proof. Analyst predictions are mudslingers, they don’t know anything based of Apples numbers, they simply make predictions, and that’s exactly what you’re doing, which doesn’t have any evidentiary nature.

 

[Ermir444]

No, actually what you’ve been providing me is analyst predictions versus validated sources how they would have inside information to Apple’s numbers. Again, those are two things that are not mutually exclusive, none of those analysts know Apple sales numbers, only Apple does. So why is it your after year Apples iPhone sales have progressively been very good compared to what the negativity tries to predict this time of year? That’s the question you seemingly keep refuting to answer that I asked multiple times.



For the fourth time, please provide a validated source showing Apples numbers are in severe decline with the XR and it’s a ‘massive flop’ as you stated in your previous post, otherwise what you’re saying is exactly what you’re posting, which is nothing of substance with proof. Analyst predictions are mudslingers, they don’t know anything based of Apples numbers, they simply make predictions, and that’s exactly what you’re doing, which doesn’t have any evidentiary nature.

You will never have "evidence" because Apple buried it and wont disclose sales numbers anymore. You are asking for something that even Apple wont give you anymore! Why would they not, you think? Why did they stop providing numbers? Answer this...

Furthermore, why would they shut down production lines for the XR and restart producing the iPhone X?

 

[Phone Junky]

They had no probs bragging about iPhone sales numbers so far, did they? Why did they stop all of the sudden? Because they want to be like "the others"? They wont post numbers BECAUSE THEY ARE IN DECLINE.

This part I agree with. Units sold was a talking point in the past when they could boast and brag about increases from one year to the next. Now that those big increases are gone, suddenly the "numbers don't matter". I get why Apple did this but it makes people wonder.

 

[44267547]

You will never have "evidence" because Apple buried it and wont disclose sales numbers anymore. You are asking for something that even Apple wont give you anymore! Why would they not, you think? Why did they stop providing numbers? Answer this...

Sure, right after you answer the following questions you were asked that have been ignored:

1.) You claimed the XR is a ‘massive flop’, since it’s only been released since two months, please provide how the XR is a massive flop? Specifically, how do you know this?

2.) You also claimed the XS is the ‘better value’ for those who can’t afford the XR, because it’s a status symbol, why do you think the XR will outsell the XS long term based off your theory for those who can afford the XS?

 

[Ermir444]

Read above...

 

[44267547]

Read above...

It’s like you want me to seemingly just ignore/forget your self-made statements that you can’t validate yourself, therefore, by you making insinuations that others “Can’t afford the XS”, the “XR is a flop”, “Apple is tanking”, “The majority of iPhone users buy outright”, is complete hyperbole and you should be called out for your remarks if you’re not going to back them up with validated points. And then you want to jump to other topics without answering the previous questions, and that’s not how discussion works.

The Reality is, I respect you want to chastise Apple and if you don’t agree with certain things, but if you start making claims, especially for things that you don’t have proof of, you lose credibility. For the record, analysts predictions don’t mean anything and they don’t hold value, that’s strictly future predictions of something they believe, which is usually debunked year after year with iPhones traditionally have positive iPhone sales. For whatever reason, you’re conflating with what’s ‘actual versus predicting’.

 

[Ermir444]

It’s like you want me to seemingly just ignore/forget your self-made statements that you can’t validate yourself, therefore, by you making insinuations that others “Can’t afford the XS”, the “XR is a flop”, “Apple is tanking”, “The majority of iPhone users buy outright”, is complete hyperbole and you should be called out for your remarks if you’re not going to back them up with validated points. And then you want to jump to other topics without answering the previous questions, and that’s not how discussion works.

The Reality is, I respect you want to chastise Apple and if you don’t agree with certain things, but if you start making claims, especially for things that you don’t have proof of, you lose credibility. For the record, analysts predictions don’t mean anything and they don’t hold value, that’s strictly future predictions of something they believe, which is usually debunked year after year with iPhones traditionally have positive iPhone sales. For whatever reason, you’re conflating with what’s ‘actual versus predicting’.

I will not repeat myself... you are in denial

 

[44267547]

I will not repeat myself... you are in denial

Since you’re under the belief that I’m in denial and analysts know everything about Apple’s future, could you at least answer or clarify these quotes below for the other members who may be wondering the same thing as I do? It would be helpful if you could address the posts below to clarify how you know this.

Reference, these were the questions you ignored:

There wont be a successor to the XR, its a massive flop.

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS".

iPhones are purchased OUTRIGHT mostly by the affluent, meaning that its a more of a status symbol purchase and not a utility purchase.

the weak iPhone XR sales reports by analysts.

Furthermore, why would they shut down production lines for the XR and restart producing the iPhone X?

 

[solarmon]

Definitely. Nothing against the devices, everything against the prices.

Greed hits every company. They’re not our overlords, we don’t need to sing praise on everything they do.

We, in numbers, can however pull them into line by not spending.

Last week I was coerced into buying a 7 when the WiFi on my beloved SE went bad. I had the phone 2.5 years, and now it’s toast.

I say “coerced” bc I did not want a phone that was 22 percent heavier and 24 percent bigger than the SE, which fit in my hand perfectly. I did not even consider the bigger phones.

Look, the 7 is a beautiful phone. The screen is sharp and so colorful. It is faster, obviously, than the SE.

But I would not have purchased it, if a smaller, lighter version existed.

May be my last iPhone, unless Apple replaces the SE, which I would buy again in an instant. Hello, Apple, want to sell me another phone? Listen to your customers!

 

[Mo0onty]

False. The majority of iPhones are actually financed through carrier subsidized payments. Anyone, and I mean anyone can purchase an iPhone without having to pay in full for it. It doesn’t show what type of person you are by owning an iPhone, it’s a tool, not a piece of jewelry.

Well, i live in Middle East. i confirm that here we don't have any option through carriers to buy an iPhone, if you want one you will pay full amount one time. on the other hand, i phones are number 1 selling phones across the region.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Last week I was coerced into buying a 7 when the WiFi on my beloved SE went bad. I had the phone 2.5 years, and now it’s toast.

I say “coerced” bc I did not want a phone that was 22 percent heavier and 24 percent bigger than the SE, which fit in my hand perfectly. I did not even consider the bigger phones.

Look, the 7 is a beautiful phone. The screen is sharp and so colorful. It is faster, obviously, than the SE.

But I would not have purchased it, if a smaller, lighter version existed.

May be my last iPhone, unless Apple replaces the SE, which I would buy again in an instant. Hello, Apple, want to sell me another phone? Listen to your customers!

Why didn't you buy another SE? From what I understand it runs great on iOS 12 and is still readily available on the first- and second-hand markets.

 

[cornerexit]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

I hope Apple has finally learned that their customers do not want to be seen with the "2nd best iPhone" and pay $750 for it. The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS". The only difference is that you could just add $100 to jump from 5C to 5S while now you need to add $250 to jump from XR to XS. I know a lot of people who have elected to buy last year's iPhone X instead of the XR even at a slight premium because of that exact reason.

I believe Apple would have sold more phones at a similar or higher ASP with the following lineup:
iPhone X - $799
iPhone XS - $899
iPhone XS+ - $999

Sorry grown ups don’t care kid. They don’t care whether a stranger is using a 5 year old iphone, android, new phone, old, meh. Nobody cares. If you think people care about 2nd best phone, you are a victim of marketing. And we have some prime real estate in the swamp for you.

 

[retta283]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

I hope Apple has finally learned that their customers do not want to be seen with the "2nd best iPhone" and pay $750 for it. The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS". The only difference is that you could just add $100 to jump from 5C to 5S while now you need to add $250 to jump from XR to XS. I know a lot of people who have elected to buy last year's iPhone X instead of the XR even at a slight premium because of that exact reason.

I believe Apple would have sold more phones at a similar or higher ASP with the following lineup:
iPhone X - $799
iPhone XS - $899
iPhone XS+ - $999

The 5C was sold until September 2015. The XR already has outperformed the 5C, I doubt it will be dropped after 1 year.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The iPhone XR is the new 5C and will probably be discontinued in the next refresh cycle.

I hope Apple has finally learned that their customers do not want to be seen with the "2nd best iPhone" and pay $750 for it. The colors on the XR just scream "I couldn't afford an XS". The only difference is that you could just add $100 to jump from 5C to 5S while now you need to add $250 to jump from XR to XS. I know a lot of people who have elected to buy last year's iPhone X instead of the XR even at a slight premium because of that exact reason.

I believe Apple would have sold more phones at a similar or higher ASP with the following lineup:
iPhone X - $799
iPhone XS - $899
iPhone XS+ - $999

Unless someone is a teenager in a particularly superficial peer group then nobody cares what model iPhone you are using. If you are hanging around people who think you can’t afford an XS because you have a different phone, then it would be wise to seek out new friends who have a level of depth and integrity about them lol. My iPhone 8+ is a newer phone than my bosses and he’s one of the richest men in the Netherlands lol. It means nothing in the grand scheme.

 

[Princejb134]

I just recently ended up going with the Note 9. I was about to pull the plug and buy the XS Max unlocked outright, but last minute after extensive research I decided on the Note 9, because of a few important factors.

1. Intel chipset over Qualcomm, and reported LTE and Wifi issues
2. No fast charger. IMO not acceptable for a device that costs $1,100
3. Value. The Note 9 is 100 bucks cheaper, comes with fast charger and 128 gigs, instead of 64, plus the ability to add more.


Based on those alone I went with Note 9, even though I wanted iPhone due to it's better OS and ecosystem.

hardware is one thing but software is the biggest factor. Which is why i will never go back to android software.
How you liking the note 9 so far