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Apple is a business that needs people to buy devices more frequently than 6 years. It is unsurprising that they figured this out after people (like me) manually upgraded things like RAM in MacBooks to make them 6 year devices (2008 model still ticking!).

Why does the cheap MacBook PRO come with 4gb of ram? That won't last 2 years. Apple isn't stupid, they know that 4gb will be useless in 2015 yet they push out this laptop (you also can't upgrade it anymore - 4gb is 4gb).

Apple releases state of the art devices that work flawlessly for x time (my experience shows 2-3 years for OSX, 1-2 years for iOS) before they start to date themselves.

Giving 2gb of RAM would future-proof this too much. People with Airs wouldn't upgrade in 2014 or 2015.

If you return every Apple product because it is missing 1 component that you deem necessary, you won't own many. They all have their flaws. This iPad also doesn't have a finger scanner, flaw? The iPhone 5S still doesn't have NFC. Flaw? A piece will always be missing. That's Apple...

Next year's iPad will be missing another "essential" component to a few but is a non-issue for most. They will sell like hotcakes to most, with a few complaining. Ah Apple...

iPad with a fingerprint scanner? Seems worthless to me. The idea with the iPhone was to curb the unbelievably high theft rates. It'll come to all iOS devices in the future, but at this point, I really wouldn't consider it a deteiment. NFC is dead. Until Apple implements it, a universally accepted system is set up for international banking..and merchants see the value, it's dead in the water. More and more folks buy online. Credit and debit cards are extremely convenient. And NFC isn't 'safe' as it sits right now...nor is it set up as a ubiquitous standard across the different platforms

OSx lasting 2-3years? Wild. I've still got a PowerBook 15" we use for offloading P2 (Panasonic proprietary video storage) in the field. Runs FCP as well for quick edits. We've got a pair of 2008 MBPs we use for DMX lighting control, a 2009 Mac Pro...my wife still goes everywhere with her 2010 11" Air...my eight year old son....boogers and all, still enjoying the original iPad everyday! Just update my wife's launch day 4s to a 5s and sold the 4s for $380!

I think you're full of a LOT of misinformation. In fact, isn't the base model MBP 13 & 15" able to be upgraded for $200---to both double the RAM (4-8GB) and the SSD (128-SSD)? If these customers are in 'need' of more memory or storage, this is a decent deal. And they'll know they will benefit for the upgrade. For those that don't and are interested in the lowest price of admission, they'll be fine as well....when your swap files are working with PCIe SSD read/write rates of 750+/550+, it'll be tough to find someone using basic functionality on a basic laptop noticing any slow down over the next 2-3 years. As well, Applecare backs up your machine bumper to bumper for up to three years if you're concerned.

The only people 'worried' or 'missing out' or spec dorks. Waiting only delays the time you'll have using the latest, fastest, best tablet on the market. At the end of the year, you'll easily be able to recoup 70-85% of your purchase price and THEN, your mystical 2GB iPad will be here!
I've owned every iPad. Every iPhone. Several Android phones and tablets (currently a Note, 5s, iPad Air, three iPad 4s [we run a business that has literally been transformed over the past half decade with Apple's portable choices, the MBP, iPod, iPhone, and iPads]), my wife wife is still using her iPad 2 with NO complaints, we've got an original Mini the entire family enjoys...and as mentioned, an original iPad still good for 8-10 hours on the battery and purring along just fine for anything an 8 year old needs it for. He's also got the fourth and fifth gen iPod Touches. While the 4 is showing its age, but still works. I'll tell you what doesn't though. My Nexus 7 (2013) and it's complete lack of optimized tablet apps, and it's terrible portrait mode. I've also still got a Xoom. Doesn't get used any more
I've got three iMacs. Two 2010, one 2011. A 2011 Air and 2 2012 rMBPs. Again, mainly for business, but the rMBPs are my wife and I's daily drivers with our iPhone, iPad of choice and 11" Air
It's beyond my comprehension how someone could dismiss the Air because they just do NOT understand how iOS uses RAM. It's affect doubling would have on battery life....the unbelievable upgrade to the A7 SoC both computationally and graphically...there's also an on board 4mb memory cache built inside the SoC, a quadrupling from last year....read Anand.

Sorry..most of this wasn't directed at you MTL18. But the absolute misunderstanding on this thread....so very few folks complaining about safari crashing (I just bought a second Air on Monday and today I'm loading it up) when there are dozens of us owners since launch that have seen no such issue. I had a pair of crashes with 7.0.2..but since 7.0.3 nothing. No problems in Safari or any apps that have been optimized for iOS 7. These things flat fly. Anand has done a thorough review on both the Air and the Mini. Anyone having such extreme issues with crashing really ought to consider the fact they got a bad unit. It's bound to happen when a product is mass produced
Again....as an owner of each unit, you could've told me this one has 8GB, I'd have believed you. Apple should've never allowed the word 'memory crash' or lack of memory or memory shutdown in their logs. That's not what's happening at all. iOS takes extremely good care of the alloted memory and developers are developing for a single system...one with 1GB of RAM. Most are still aiming at A5/6 compatibility with 512mb or RAM. That's the population center of iOS.

Again....read Anand's review. Would it be nice to have 2GB? Maybe...I've no idea because I've yet to see these bugs being talked about....and we use ours hard. I certainly don't want double the RAM at the expense of form factor, battery life or heat/price/or the FTW over Android devices BS.

If anything, over the years Apple has proven time and time again their efficiency with RAM. Half the amount was comparable to double in a Windows machine (2 va 4GB for example). Same with iOS. Without a thick TouchWiz frosted layer of Java to cut through for usability, Apple doesn't need to pull samsung tricks to make their phone or tab work.

IOS efficiency has nothing to do with this. It's all about the size of the application data on which OS has no effect.

This isn't true. The OS has everything to do with both stability and efficiency. Without it, app developers wouldn't have filled our choices with more than ever in computer history....on a phone or tablet! Are there bad apps with bad finding and/or data? I'm sure. But since the releases of iOS 7 and XCode 5(.02), a developer need not be lazy to update their code to the 64bit and A8 instruction sets. Apple had made it seamless and relatively quick to pull off

The downside of this is Apple loses sales to more discriminating customers who will wait for better specs like myself, just bought a $119 Asus tab with 1GB ram. No way I'll pay $500+ for an underspec'd machine!

That's $119 wasted. To call the new iPad Air, rMini or iPhone 5s 'underspec'd machines' is ignorance at its finest. These are the first chips from an OEM built from ground up with their own instruction sets, optimized specifically to their OS/UI....with mind blowing, objective data measurements to back up these claims. These dual core 1.3/1.4GHz chips are faster than any and all of the current quad (& 8 core) chips Qualcomm is producing. Performing I parity with BayTrail...these are some bad ass little chips

That ASUS you bought....sorry, but other than surfing it's not going to provide a small percentage of the enjoyment an 'underspec'd' iPad will

Are these specific websites that are causing the problem? I have a new iPad Air and it seems fine — both in Safari, and the many other apps that I use on a daily basis. And I'm not sure that you're sufficiently informed to be able to diagnose the problem as "due to constrained 1GB RAM".

I agree and I concur. Don't read to much into these comments. If indeed this was an issue with the stock browser on the newest iPad, the wold wide media would be up in arms. Every review site on the web wouldn't have come to the same conclusion. And you're right. Those that can speak intelligently about this diagnosis aren't hanging out at MR. They're designing the A8

Exactly. It's the lowest specs at the highest possible price that the market can bear. Since Apple pushes the CPU so much, it's compelled to upgrade the CPU. But other than that? It's lowest specs possible.

Again. Horse pucky! Read Anand's review. It's the fastest tablet on the market. With class leading display and double the performance do last year's iPad 4. It's a significantly bigger update than 'CPU'. BTW, these are SoCs. The CPU, GPU and it's IO to memory and storage are built to the system on a chip. It's a ground up redesign, sporting the first true 64bit architecture. Hardly the lowest specs possible. Maybe the highest specs possible would be significantly more accurate. As that's the actual truth

At the cost of poor user experience? because jittery interface, frequent website reloads and crashes are not exactly hallmarks of the Apple user experience, AFAIK. If limiting ram does indeed lead to an inferior overall experience for what happens to be their flagship product, at a time when competition is really heating up, then this is an example of incredibly poor and short sighted planning. This is very unlike Apple!

This is very unlike my (& about 10million other iPad Air owners) experience as well. Kinda embellished, don't ya think! Or, are you not an actual owner? Just someone regurgitating what they've read in forums. Competition isn't heating up it just got TORCHED by an unbelievable release from Apple. They're all now in an all out, 24/7, overnight race to get 64bit chips ready for 2014

Congrats, you seem to be the proud owner of a unique device: No jittery interface, no reloads and no crashes.

I've got a pair of them. No jittery interface. No reloads. No crashes. Looks like most in the thread are in agreement.

Guys everybody knows that the Air is a worthless piece of garbage. It's just whether you're able to put up with it for a year until you can buy one that actually *works*. Personally, I''m going to wait until next year when a better model is released to upgrade from my 3. I've had crashes and problems with iOS7 just like the rest of us, but I can still browse and watch TV on it which is good enough for me.

The 3 is garbage (I owned one and got rid of it on Craigslist the day the 4 came oh). The Air is exactly, 180° opposite of garbage. It's the best tablet on the market bar none. Have fun waiting. Selling your 3 now will help tremendously to finance your Air. Wait another year and the secret will be out. The 3 is a 2 in retina sheep clothing. ;)

Me three.

Me 9,452,807 :)

Because iOS 7 in iPad 3 and 4 is not the same as iPad Air. One won't run on the other.

Your assuming it's the hardware.

iOS 7 is the same on every device. The only difference IS the hardware and the limitations iOS 7 puts on the hardware it's installed on

J
 
iPad with a fingerprint scanner? Seems worthless to me. The idea with the iPhone was to curb the unbelievably high theft rates. It'll come to all iOS devices in the future, but at this point, I really wouldn't consider it a deteiment. NFC is dead. Until Apple implements it, a universally accepted system is set up for international banking..and merchants see the value, it's dead in the water. More and more folks buy online. Credit and debit cards are extremely convenient. And NFC isn't 'safe' as it sits right now...nor is it set up as a ubiquitous standard across the different platforms

OSx lasting 2-3years? Wild. I've still got a PowerBook 15" we use for offloading P2 (Panasonic proprietary video storage) in the field. Runs FCP as well for quick edits. We've got a pair of 2008 MBPs we use for DMX lighting control, a 2009 Mac Pro...my wife still goes everywhere with her 2010 11" Air...my eight year old son....boogers and all, still enjoying the original iPad everyday! Just update my wife's launch day 4s to a 5s and sold the 4s for $380!

I think you're full of a LOT of misinformation. In fact, isn't the base model MBP 13 & 15" able to be upgraded for $200---to both double the RAM (4-8GB) and the SSD (128-SSD)? If these customers are in 'need' of more memory or storage, this is a decent deal. And they'll know they will benefit for the upgrade. For those that don't and are interested in the lowest price of admission, they'll be fine as well....when your swap files are working with PCIe SSD read/write rates of 750+/550+, it'll be tough to find someone using basic functionality on a basic laptop noticing any slow down over the next 2-3 years. As well, Applecare backs up your machine bumper to bumper for up to three years if you're concerned.

The only people 'worried' or 'missing out' or spec dorks. Waiting only delays the time you'll have using the latest, fastest, best tablet on the market. At the end of the year, you'll easily be able to recoup 70-85% of your purchase price and THEN, your mystical 2GB iPad will be here!
I've owned every iPad. Every iPhone. Several Android phones and tablets (currently a Note, 5s, iPad Air, three iPad 4s [we run a business that has literally been transformed over the past half decade with Apple's portable choices, the MBP, iPod, iPhone, and iPads]), my wife wife is still using her iPad 2 with NO complaints, we've got an original Mini the entire family enjoys...and as mentioned, an original iPad still good for 8-10 hours on the battery and purring along just fine for anything an 8 year old needs it for. He's also got the fourth and fifth gen iPod Touches. While the 4 is showing its age, but still works. I'll tell you what doesn't though. My Nexus 7 (2013) and it's complete lack of optimized tablet apps, and it's terrible portrait mode. I've also still got a Xoom. Doesn't get used any more
I've got three iMacs. Two 2010, one 2011. A 2011 Air and 2 2012 rMBPs. Again, mainly for business, but the rMBPs are my wife and I's daily drivers with our iPhone, iPad of choice and 11" Air
It's beyond my comprehension how someone could dismiss the Air because they just do NOT understand how iOS uses RAM. It's affect doubling would have on battery life....the unbelievable upgrade to the A7 SoC both computationally and graphically...there's also an on board 4mb memory cache built inside the SoC, a quadrupling from last year....read Anand.

Sorry..most of this wasn't directed at you MTL18. But the absolute misunderstanding on this thread....so very few folks complaining about safari crashing (I just bought a second Air on Monday and today I'm loading it up) when there are dozens of us owners since launch that have seen no such issue. I had a pair of crashes with 7.0.2..but since 7.0.3 nothing. No problems in Safari or any apps that have been optimized for iOS 7. These things flat fly. Anand has done a thorough review on both the Air and the Mini. Anyone having such extreme issues with crashing really ought to consider the fact they got a bad unit. It's bound to happen when a product is mass produced
Again....as an owner of each unit, you could've told me this one has 8GB, I'd have believed you. Apple should've never allowed the word 'memory crash' or lack of memory or memory shutdown in their logs. That's not what's happening at all. iOS takes extremely good care of the alloted memory and developers are developing for a single system...one with 1GB of RAM. Most are still aiming at A5/6 compatibility with 512mb or RAM. That's the population center of iOS.

Again....read Anand's review. Would it be nice to have 2GB? Maybe...I've no idea because I've yet to see these bugs being talked about....and we use ours hard. I certainly don't want double the RAM at the expense of form factor, battery life or heat/price/or the FTW over Android devices BS.

If anything, over the years Apple has proven time and time again their efficiency with RAM. Half the amount was comparable to double in a Windows machine (2 va 4GB for example). Same with iOS. Without a thick TouchWiz frosted layer of Java to cut through for usability, Apple doesn't need to pull samsung tricks to make their phone or tab work.



This isn't true. The OS has everything to do with both stability and efficiency. Without it, app developers wouldn't have filled our choices with more than ever in computer history....on a phone or tablet! Are there bad apps with bad finding and/or data? I'm sure. But since the releases of iOS 7 and XCode 5(.02), a developer need not be lazy to update their code to the 64bit and A8 instruction sets. Apple had made it seamless and relatively quick to pull off



That's $119 wasted. To call the new iPad Air, rMini or iPhone 5s 'underspec'd machines' is ignorance at its finest. These are the first chips from an OEM built from ground up with their own instruction sets, optimized specifically to their OS/UI....with mind blowing, objective data measurements to back up these claims. These dual core 1.3/1.4GHz chips are faster than any and all of the current quad (& 8 core) chips Qualcomm is producing. Performing I parity with BayTrail...these are some bad ass little chips

That ASUS you bought....sorry, but other than surfing it's not going to provide a small percentage of the enjoyment an 'underspec'd' iPad will



I agree and I concur. Don't read to much into these comments. If indeed this was an issue with the stock browser on the newest iPad, the wold wide media would be up in arms. Every review site on the web wouldn't have come to the same conclusion. And you're right. Those that can speak intelligently about this diagnosis aren't hanging out at MR. They're designing the A8



Again. Horse pucky! Read Anand's review. It's the fastest tablet on the market. With class leading display and double the performance do last year's iPad 4. It's a significantly bigger update than 'CPU'. BTW, these are SoCs. The CPU, GPU and it's IO to memory and storage are built to the system on a chip. It's a ground up redesign, sporting the first true 64bit architecture. Hardly the lowest specs possible. Maybe the highest specs possible would be significantly more accurate. As that's the actual truth



This is very unlike my (& about 10million other iPad Air owners) experience as well. Kinda embellished, don't ya think! Or, are you not an actual owner? Just someone regurgitating what they've read in forums. Competition isn't heating up it just got TORCHED by an unbelievable release from Apple. They're all now in an all out, 24/7, overnight race to get 64bit chips ready for 2014



I've got a pair of them. No jittery interface. No reloads. No crashes. Looks like most in the thread are in agreement.



The 3 is garbage (I owned one and got rid of it on Craigslist the day the 4 came oh). The Air is exactly, 180° opposite of garbage. It's the best tablet on the market bar none. Have fun waiting. Selling your 3 now will help tremendously to finance your Air. Wait another year and the secret will be out. The 3 is a 2 in retina sheep clothing. ;)



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iOS 7 is the same on every device. The only difference IS the hardware and the limitations iOS 7 puts on the hardware it's installed on

J

You must have a lot of time to yourself, but then again it is winter and you are in Alaska.

Jokes aside, I think you make a lot of good and valid arguments in what you say, albeit with a slight tinge of fanboyism but that is ok.
Regarding my experience with my ipad Air, because you seem to be under the impression that I am just regurgitating the negative stuff that I picked up from this forum, the jittery interface is not specific to this one device (I use to own an ipad 4 that also had it) I think that you just didn't notice it. That doesn't mean it isn't there. As for the page reloads when several tabs are open, I went to the local apple store to check if the units on display were also reloading and it was the case so I doubt that this is a faulty batch issue. Regarding the crashes, I've noticed that they have diminished right after updating iOS 7 to the latest version so I'm hoping that these 3 issues are software related.
I have a couple of apple devices and, like you, I am overall in awe with what apple has done with both the hardware and the software. I find Mavericks from an architectural POV the most impressive OS ever. It is light years ahead of Win 8.1 and everything else out there. On the other Hande, although I appreciate the new features of iOS 7, I get the impression that it was released in a rush for the ipad (unlike for the iPhone), it just feels incomplete. Hopefully they will fix that very soon.
 
Again. Horse pucky! Read Anand's review. It's the fastest tablet on the market. With class leading display and double the performance do last year's iPad 4. It's a significantly bigger update than 'CPU'. BTW, these are SoCs. The CPU, GPU and it's IO to memory and storage are built to the system on a chip. It's a ground up redesign, sporting the first true 64bit architecture. Hardly the lowest specs possible. Maybe the highest specs possible would be significantly more accurate. As that's the actual truth
J
Like I said, CPU is the focus of apple. So yes, that aspect has been improved. But with the vaunted 64Bit CPU upgrade and the same 1Gig of RAM, the Air has less effective RAM than the iPad3&4. Enough speed to get from 0 to 60 twice as fast, but you can't travel as far. So while the CPU is a great upgrade, as I said, the same old RAM and same old storage hold back the machine on purpose - As I said, keep the lowest specs as long as the market can bear - user experience be damned. How's everyone liking their refreshing tabs in safari? Oh that's right, it's iOS7. Right? I suppose if you ignore those saying their 3s and 4s can have more tabs open without refreshes.
 
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The current (beta) release of 7.1 has not fixed this issue... Hoping future releases will address and squash this bug ( assuming it IS a software problem...)
 
Also, www.marca.com crashes Safari on my Air, but loads just fine on Chrome :)

And....this chick is kinda hot ( courtesy : marca )
 

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The iPad Air is a great tablet. All in all I'm really happy coming from a 2.

Having said that the tab reloading is a reality, sometimes even with just 2 tabs which is sad and shouldn't happen
 
That's $119 wasted. To call the new iPad Air, rMini or iPhone 5s 'underspec'd machines' is ignorance at its finest. These are the first chips from an OEM built from ground up with their own instruction sets, optimized specifically to their OS/UI

Not as ignorant as wasting $500+ on a machine without sufficient RAM to avoid refreshing cache with multiple tabs open. My little $119 Asus doesn't have that problem. Enjoy watching those tabs refresh with your 1/2 $grand underspec'd Air.
 
IOS 7 clearly knows which device it is installed on and performs differently across that spectrum.

The same code is installed on all devices but how it performs is a different story.
 
IOS 7 clearly knows which device it is installed on and performs differently across that spectrum.

The same code is installed on all devices but how it performs is a different story.

That is not accurate, for iPad Air, iPad mini with retina and iPhone 5s, iOS7 is 64 bits, for all other devices that support iOS7 it's 32 bit.
 
I returned mine as well. I'm not sure about the hardware ... I think iOS7 just really sucks on tablets at the moment. Those rumors about holding it back for some time after the phone release of it make more and more sense the more issues I have with the OS on my iPads.
 
Don't want to get into fanboy discussions, but there are plenty of inacurate comments made here

Only 1 GB of RAM: I don't think Apple was just being cheap by putting only 1GB of RAM. One point missed in these discussions, is the fact that more RAM = less battery life. I personally think Apple had to go with 1GB to meet their battery life target. Perhaps you would see more RAM when lower TDP processors are available.

64 bit applications simply use more RAM (compared to 32-bit) . You cannot optimize that or get around that. Apps are developed using Obj-C and the memory pointers will be 2x larger. By the way, you cannot compare App behavior with regards to memory to non-mobile operating systems. Without going into detail, non=mobile OSs would assign a huge chunk of memory to "every" process (2GB per process in some, more on others) and use the SWAP space on the hard disk when the physical RAM fills up. There is no SWAP on mobiles as it doesn't go well with flash memories.

Safari crashes: Safari crashing while visiting a website, is the developer's (Apple here) fault. Its the developer's job to code properly and put in safeguards. Websites not being loaded/displayed properly is completely different from crashing the browser itself.

And finally, as far as I know, the codes on iPad and iPhone are not the same. If that would be the case, you could use a single image and restore it on all types of Apple devices. Of course they share a common code, but are not exactly the same (this is where platform specific bugs come from)

I personally did return my Air, as I don't want to be beta tester for any vendor out of my own pocket. Is the Air a great tablet? Absolutely. But Apple will get my money once they have sorted things out. The Apple "genius" asked me about the issue, and I just reproduced the crashes on one of his display units.

Crashes drive me nuts, so I returned it. Some peeps are not that bothered by it, and enjoy their iPads. I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
I think iOS7 just really sucks on tablets at the moment.
Not to make excuses but its a X.0 version and while I have not incurred any problems I can see that 64bit iPads having more constrained resources and more issues.

As noted by Giev, the various structures used are now larger due to accommodate 64bits.

I'm running at the moment the old iPad mini so I'm probably not seeing a lot of the issues since my iPad is 32bits. My new rMini will be here tomorrow so I'll judge then.

FWIW, apple has always skimped on memory. I remember buying a powerbook and needing to upgrade the ram from the get go. Of course the huge difference now is that we cannot upgrade the ram. Its unfortunte that apple did not increase ram because the CPU is x64
 
I think you may have jumped the gun returning the Air. Sites that crash Safari on my Air dont crash in Chrome. Id say its an iOS7 bug.

Remember when loads of people jumped the gun with the accelerometer issue and returned their phones. Simple software update and it was gone, even though all the armchair engineers were ADAMANT that it was a hardware issue that couldnt be fixed........lol.

Besides, I can enjoy my Air, and when the next model comes out, sell it for most of its original value and add a little extra on for the new one. No need for drama, soap boxes, or throwing toys out of the pram :cool:
 
I think you may have jumped the gun returning the Air. Sites that crash Safari on my Air dont crash in Chrome. Id say its an iOS7 bug.

It crashed on Chrome as well as Safari.

In the bigger picture, I don't care really if its a hardware or software. If I would like to differentiate, I would go with Microsoft Windows. For me the key point for Apple was that you get a hardware and software combo that just works. the iPads are not there yet. When they do, I will go ahead and buy it, but not yet.
 
I think you may have jumped the gun returning the Air. Sites that crash Safari on my Air dont crash in Chrome. Id say its an iOS7 bug.

Remember when loads of people jumped the gun with the accelerometer issue and returned their phones. Simple software update and it was gone, even though all the armchair engineers were ADAMANT that it was a hardware issue that couldnt be fixed........lol.

Besides, I can enjoy my Air, and when the next model comes out, sell it for most of its original value and add a little extra on for the new one. No need for drama, soap boxes, or throwing toys out of the pram :cool:

Only problem is that apple has ignored fixing software problems that have plagued hardware in the past. If apple can avoiding fixing the issues(does not negatively effect revenue/profits) they will - that goes for hardware and well as software. So the more people returning Airs due to crashes, is THE NUMBER ONE way to ensure apple does something about it.

Sad, but that is the truth.

Also, not everyone dumps hardware every year. Those of is with families tend to employ he hand-me-down method. So having a machine that will quickly show it's lack of RAM, is a bigger problem.
 
I think you may have jumped the gun returning the Air. Sites that crash Safari on my Air dont crash in Chrome. Id say its an iOS7 bug.

An app crash is bad code either in the app or in the OS. Period. Claiming it's because of a system resource limitation just shows ignorance. When an app requests more resources than are available the OS needs to cleanly handle either freeing up enough resources to satisfy the request or pass a denial back to the app. Also the app needs to cleanly handle a denial response from the OS if it receives one. In neither circumstance should the app or OS crash.

This is basic exception handling 101 stuff.


No need for drama, soap boxes, or throwing toys out of the pram :cool:

Jumping to conclusions with no evidentiary basis for the claim is to be expected here. :D
 
The OP was absolutely correct to return his Air because it was crashing and go back to his 4. And if it turns out to be an OS issue that is fixed with 7.1 or 7.2, he'll probably try one again, or just wait until the Air 2 with 2GB RAM.
 
The OP was absolutely correct to return his Air because it was crashing and go back to his 4. And if it turns out to be an OS issue that is fixed with 7.1 or 7.2, he'll probably try one again, or just wait until the Air 2 with 2GB RAM.

What happens if the "new" Air with that oh so glorious 2GB of RAM also crashes with Safari on certain sites?

Rut roe, Raggy. :rolleyes: :D

I STILL have not received a good explanation as to why a graphics intense game or other application isnt causing crashes like Safari is? Can someone help here? I mean.... Real Racing 2 uses more RAM than Safari could ever dream of... right?

Edumacate me.
 
The OP was absolutely correct to return his Air because it was crashing and go back to his 4.

Agreed. If a new device isn't working to one's needs and another option better serves those needs, return the new device. OP was right to make the return.

Making unsubstantiated claims and calling people names however... not cool.
 
Agreed. If a new device isn't working to one's needs and another option better serves those needs, return the new device. OP was right to make the return.

Making unsubstantiated claims and calling people names however... not cool.

Yeah, calling names is just acting like a child; however, we don't know conclusively if the iPad is hitting a physical RAM ceiling or if its software, or if its a combination. If its just software, Apple need to crank down on the issue and fix it.

Similarly, I returned my iPhone 4 for antenna issues and went back to my 3GS until the 4S came out, but I didn't throw a tantrum.
 
What happens if the "new" Air with that oh so glorious 2GB of RAM also crashes with Safari on certain sites?

Rut roe, Raggy. :rolleyes: :D

I STILL have not received a good explanation as to why a graphics intense game or other application isnt causing crashes like Safari is? Can someone help here? I mean.... Real Racing 2 uses more RAM than Safari could ever dream of... right?

Edumacate me.

If you have a mac, open up any browser, open up a couple tabs, then go to many different sites. Open up Activity Monitor and look at the memory.

What should happen, is everyone should be returning the Air, both current and future, when they experience horrible crashes constantly. That is the ONLY way Apple will feel compelled to fix the issue - when it hurts their bottom line.
 
The current (beta) release of 7.1 has not fixed this issue... Hoping future releases will address and squash this bug ( assuming it IS a software problem...)

If 7.1 doesn't fix this issue, it will never be fixed and is probably caused by hardware limitations. I guess we will see when 7.1 is released!
 
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