Relying solely on technical specifications as some sort of holy arbiter of purchasing is a fool's domain.
James
All iPads It's over, returned iPad Air (updated:re-purchased!) - due to constrained 1GB RAM
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Relying solely on technical specifications as some sort of holy arbiter of purchasing is a fool's domain.
James
richard371
macrumors 68040
I have friends that have older iPhones and iPads and they complain how safari crashes all the time since iOS7 upgrade.
Took a image and resized to that exact size then uploaded to the ipad. Running 7.0.3 here.
I am going to return my iPad Air, too. I'm on the third one now, the first and second had the book spine issue and crashed frequently, the third one has a display that is yellowish on the left and blueish on the right and crashes often.
My iPad 3 crashes occasionally since installing iOS 7, too, but the Air crashes several times a day, either Safari and/or iOS, which makes me feel like a beta tester. I'll revisit once they have sorted out manufacturing issues and the iOS 7/iPad Air combination is running reliably. I'm pretty sure Apple understands what these kind of returns mean for their reputation, premium prices and mediocre user experience is not something I'm used to with all my other Apple products.
My iPad 3 crashes occasionally since installing iOS 7, too, but the Air crashes several times a day, either Safari and/or iOS, which makes me feel like a beta tester. I'll revisit once they have sorted out manufacturing issues and the iOS 7/iPad Air combination is running reliably. I'm pretty sure Apple understands what these kind of returns mean for their reputation, premium prices and mediocre user experience is not something I'm used to with all my other Apple products.
ZBoater
macrumors G3
Yeah, who could possibly ever need more than 1GB of RAM?
Do I sound like the mistakenly quoted Bill Gates?
This is not a snarky question, but I am wondering:
A year ago, my wife ran Snow Lepoard on her 2008 Macbook with 1gb of RAM and never had a problem......smooth as silk.
Are we saying iOS 7 requires more memory than Snow Lepoard? That doesn't make sense to me, so I must be missing something.
A year ago, my wife ran Snow Lepoard on her 2008 Macbook with 1gb of RAM and never had a problem......smooth as silk.
Are we saying iOS 7 requires more memory than Snow Lepoard? That doesn't make sense to me, so I must be missing something.
ZBoater
macrumors G3
Bugs don't need a lot of memory to ruin your experience....
ZBoater
macrumors G3
Then why would you buy a product from a company that insults you like that?
I didn't, I stopped at ipad 3.
Ok. I get that. But, software bugs can be fixed with subsequent releases of iOS. So, this isn't a hardware problem (I.e. insufficient RAM).
Good thing you're smart enough not to buy one...unlike the other 100 million of us.
ZBoater
macrumors G3
I don't think it is. Some people think it is. I disagree with them, especially when people with older devices and less RAM seem to be more stable. Only time (and iOS 7.1, 7.2 etc.) will tell.
akdj
macrumors 65816
Yes...Alaska, it's cold...and I'm extremely happy with my Air, as I was with my '4', '3', '2' and original...I love my 5s, my wife really digs here 5 (iPhones here) my son is enjoying his Touch (Gen 5) and original iPad.
Didn't notice a jittery interface? BS---I'd have noticed that immediately, especially if it wasn't 'device specific'. Possibly you're talking about the new animations in iOS 7? Those can be turned off, you know that right?
As far as reloading pages not being viewed, this has always been a part of the iOS experience. It's intelligent memory management, allows you to have other apps running while surfing (music or podcast listening, phone calls, and the ability to look up directions while on a call). The newer iOS devices are SO fast at re-loading tabs if you have a decent connection, I'm not sure what the complaining is about? I actually prefer to use iCab or Chrome as my browser on my iPads, Mercury on my Mini. However...with all this jabber about crashes in Safari, I've been using it solely over the past week-10 days. I'm not noticing A) ANY crashing or B) ANY reloading of pages if I'm not switching between other programs....and just staying in Safari. I'm not one to usually have more than 3-5 tabs open at once....but again, I don't consider myself lucky---I just think this 'issue'....as every single release of Apple's has garnered attention on MR, is just a ridiculous assertion by a couple dozen geeks on the forum that want to use a dozen tabs at once while they're watching YouTube, NetFlix and playing Asphalt 8. I'm running the most demanding games on the App Store and haven't YET had a single one crash. The ONLY time I've seen the system actually crash was when I shared (via email) a document in Pages. That was on 7.0.1 I believe. It hasn't happened since. Safari isn't 'crashing' if it's reloading a page. There's only so much memory----but it's faster memory with a 4mb on SoC chip designed for memory management...something no other iOS device has had.
Other than that---it seems we agree on most points. Mavericks kicks ass. iOS7 is a ground up re-write of the mobile operating system and geared for 64bit future chips. There are bound to be code glitches and errors. They'll be fixed. Next year's iPad will be faster....as will next year's iPhone. And with their speed and another year under iOS7, MUCH will be improved, bugs will be squashed...but I don't believe it was 'rushed'. I jumped in during the Beta program in July. A LOT has been done with the build up and more needs to be done to refine it. That said...if there TRULY was a 'crashing' issue on the stock browser...media, tech sites, and CNN would be on this like white on rice.
It's an absolute non-issue in my opinion, and I'll stick to that.
Fanboy? If that's what you call someone that appreciates (as you mention you do as well) efficiency, reliability, speed, and portability when it comes to my computers, laptops, tablets and phones...I get that from Apple. When running Front of House and the Backline for Toby Keith for 8700 people, I want to be confident my laptop isn't going to crash---and that my iPad will last a full day, able to sign documents, take payments, look up information, take notes, pics, video, etc etc etc. It does ALL this in iOS7 without a hiccup.
Are there bugs? Apparently....and when you make/sell 10million units on opening weekend...a mass produced piece of technology is bound to pop out a couple of lemons. It's understandable.
For me...the business I run, the lifestyle I live....and being almost 43 years old, growing up without computers in the classroom, without cell phones until college, without the internet til my Masters....I guess I'm easier to 'fool' into what extraordinary products are coming out of Cupertino each year....and their ability to not just improve the products form factor, weight, or 'look'....but to double their performance (Computationally and Graphically), increase WiFi range, shave 30% of the weight off and still offer better battery life, to me...that is magic. And if a fanboy is what that makes me, So Be It!
(as an aside, I also own several Android devices and a pair of Windows PCs, nothing works 'together' like we need in our daily workflow like Apple, nothing!)
You don't understand RAM, 64bit SoCs or instruction sets. Until you do, we can debate these facts. 64bit architecture does a WHOLE lot more than increase the OS footprint (not the app footprint in memory as you've been lead to believe), is more than capable of keeping tabs open in Safari (depending what else you're doing in the background)...and as an owner of an original iPad, iPad 2, several iPad 4s (business) the original Mini and Air---I can tell you right now, I can open (and keep open) just as many tabs in Safari on my Air as on my iPad 4. Games launch faster, apps launch faster, RSS reader (Early Edition) populates significantly faster...and I've NEVER had an actual 'app' crash. Whether I'm playing Asphalt 8, The Room, Dungeon Hunter 4 or Infinity Blade 3....it's extremely fluid, no slow downs....incredible detail...and in objective measurements....the Air is performing in parity with the not so long ago Core2Duo systems we used as our main computers!
Please point me to this $120 ASUS that outperforms the iPad Air, much less the 4, 3, 2 or even the first iPad. PLEASE????
Wait on specs all you want...you'll spend your entire life....waiting.
Care to share the sites you were visiting on Chrome and Safari? How many specific tabs open? I'm genuinely interested as I'm sitting in front of two Airs (just bought one for my wife---that hasn't been set up yet, so it's fresh and I'll set it up as new), my own Air and 4 iPad 4s (we use them in our business). I want to do a round of testing here.
iPads 'Are There Yet'....have been since the first one released (remember, record sales? First consumer tablet computer that folks bought? App store and more software available than ever before in computing history optimized for the tablet form factor)
Go with Windows if you want to differentiate---because man, the Surface has a LONG road ahead of it.
Good Luck---but PLEASE, let me know the sites you visited (in Chrome and Safari) and number of tabs. I'm going to try the experiment on 8 iPads, including the original Mini and iPad 2 (both still running iOS 6)
Mobile SoCs do NOT work like a Mac. There's no swapping of files between storage and RAM. You didn't do a very good job of educating or even answering his question.
No---NOT everyone should return their Air as the experience is exactly the opposite of 'horrible' for the majority of the population. If you have or had a unit that 'crashed constantly' it was a faulty unit. Hardware problem. That's not ubiquitous across the entire line of Airs. As I've owned one since launch day, used it for 6-10 hours a day depending what we are doing....and witnessed ONE crash! BTW---for your information, I've got the 128GB LTE (AT&T) Air with 412 apps loaded, 4,200 songs, 612 pics and a dozen videos. No...I don't use ALL the apps, but with 128GB, I went through my purchased app option and downloaded anything I thought I may want (still over 40GB open
)Android needs it....especially the OEMs (Samsung's TouchWiz, HTC's Sense, et al) to cut through the thick layer of Java and give you a decent experience. Problem is...you can NOT just throw more and more RAM at the problem. The Note 3 still lags a LOT----(We upgraded our original Note to the 3 a month ago for signing contracts and taking payments with Square) and that's with 3GB of RAM!!!! The iPhone 5s, iPad Air, iPhone 5 and iPad 4 absolutely CRUSH the Note 3 in fluidity and responsiveness as well as instilling confidence that it's not actually going to re-boot as soon as you pull the SPen out of it's holster!
J
M5RahuL
macrumors 68040
You probably received a faulty N3. The one I'm using runs circles around my iPhone 5 and 5S!
There is absolutely zero lag on the Note 3... Did you try exchanging it to rule out a bad piece ?
If you don't like OEM skins, Google Now has a built in launcher [ GEM ] that makes your device very similar to their Nexus offerings.
Apps open in an instant, no scrolling or typing lag, battery life is unbelievable!...etc etc
I also have a Note 2 which is amazing, but the N3 surpasses it in every way .. I can't even recall the last time I had to reboot the device, post root [ didn't even trip Knox
..but I digress ]I am not sure how you define "smooth as silk". Many people would probably disagree. More importantly:
1. It's not just about running the OS. Some applications need way more memory than the OS
2. Desktop OSes have a notion of virtual memory. They use disk space (which might be way bigger than RAM) in addition to RAM for storing the data for running application. iOS can't do that. Once RAM limit is reached - iOS can't do anything but abort the application.
I didnt say I want to go with Windows. In fact I said the opposite, it was a PC analogy and I don't want to go with any Windows like setup where you get to differentiate between hardware and software issues (multiple vendors involved). Both the software and hardware on the iPad Air is supplied by Apple, I dont care or really want to spend time figuring out which one is at fault. I returned my iPad, if Apple fixes it (i.e. I couldn't crash Safari on the display unit in Apple store) I will reconsider getting one again, if it turns out to be like the iPhone 4 where Apple doesn't think its important enough to fix, I wont simply buy it.
As I said, if it works for you, by all means enjoy it. It didn't for me, and I returned it. I could be be more picky because well I used to do testing for a living and non-mature products releases drive me nuts. Technically, there is absolutely no justification for an app to crash for being low on memory, thats just coding 101 you should handle exceptions, etc.
For what is worth, I did get both a rMini and an Air, and it was the same on both. I use tablets primarily for web browsing so Safari crashes are deal breaker for me. I don't like Chrome, but just tested it to see if its a Safari specific issue or not.
Also, iOS 7 being fine (or not) on previous iPads is not relevant to the Air, its a different hardware with different code.
What happens if the "new" Air with that oh so glorious 2GB of RAM also crashes with Safari on certain sites?
Rut roe, Raggy.
I STILL have not received a good explanation as to why a graphics intense game or other application isnt causing crashes like Safari is? Can someone help here? I mean.... Real Racing 2 uses more RAM than Safari could ever dream of... right?
Edumacate me.
Easy, most on here describe the issue as if their speculations are fact. Most know nothing. The simplest explanation tends to be the right one.
ZBoater
macrumors G3
But, but, but... it's 64 bit! The Safari 64 bit tabs use more RAM!
(The preceding was a sarcastic comment.)
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
Your experience does not match others. So you are saying the other experiences do not exist. Gotcha. The head in the sand, Apple defenders, are out in full force. Negative experiences will not only be ignored, they will down right be discounted, because you do not have the same experience.
I pointed to something that the poster could measure on their own. There is no HDD/SSD memory swap in iOS, thus the RAM gorging that a browser does, effects a LOW RAM system like the Air, even worse.
Of course you should not return the Air if you are NOT experiencing problems. Where did I ever say that? If yours is not experiencing a problem, congrats. But if anyone's IS experiencing problems, the ONLY way Apple will address the issue, is if it is effecting the bottom line. Would you like some examples of when apple let known software and hardware issue linger, because they thought/knew they could outlast the complaints?
I had loads of problems with my Retina Mini crashing (again, low memory) - including Springboard and Backboard.
Thought I'd try a DFU restore, and it worked magic. Restored from backup, and it no longer crashes. I'm wondering if some factories have some funky iOS 7 software files?
Thought I'd try a DFU restore, and it worked magic. Restored from backup, and it no longer crashes. I'm wondering if some factories have some funky iOS 7 software files?
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
I guess it depends on what you do with your devices. Even the 512mb of ram I have on my ipad mini/iPod mini is fine for my uses. They don't crash. However I think for android the minimum amount of ram should be 2GB, at least for me. My s4 with its 2GB of ram is fine but
my galaxy tab 2 sometimes suffers for its 1GB of ram.
my galaxy tab 2 sometimes suffers for its 1GB of ram.
I'm still doubting if I should get the new ipad. Even on my iphone 5 I notice apps crashing on ios7. And they say its worse on 64bit.
Also I'll bet you that in March Apple will release a new Ipad with iphone 5s specs.
Gold color, TouchID, 2gb Ram, 8mp camera and Dual flash and offcourse by then ios7 will be more stable... Actually specs I was hoping for on the Ipad Air...
Yes I can always sell my ipad and buy the new one but dont want to waste any money.
Also I'll bet you that in March Apple will release a new Ipad with iphone 5s specs.
Gold color, TouchID, 2gb Ram, 8mp camera and Dual flash and offcourse by then ios7 will be more stable... Actually specs I was hoping for on the Ipad Air...
Yes I can always sell my ipad and buy the new one but dont want to waste any money.