iTunes 8.2.1 Reportedly Breaks Palm Pre Syncing

[LethalWolfe]

They did release a statement complainig, it's on the front pae of macrumors.

From the front page of MR, "However, people will have options. They can stay with the iTunes version that works to sync their music on their Pre, they can transfer the music via USB, and there are other third-party applications we can consider."

Sure sounds like complaining to me.

If you want to see pre users compalining about this go to precentral.com. Heck there are even some Pre users here complaining.

I assume you mean Precentral.net and while there are some people complaining about the iTunes update most are either indifferent, want Palm to make a proper app or use third party apps (like I said in my previous post).


Lethal

 

[hindmost]

To all of you complaining and whining and defending Apple, what if Apple said that only their keyboards and mice would work with Mac? What if they said that only the $900 Cinema Display would work with a Mac? Would you be defending them?

As a matter of fact, that's pretty much the way it was for most of Apple's existance. Keyboards, mice, displays used Apple's propriatary connects. Ah...I remember having Apple printers and just wishing I could connect a third party printer. It took years before Apple saw the light pretty much by leading the industry to the Universal Serial Bus (USB) with the early iMacs.

 

[zengod]

How childish of Apple to take their ball away......

Can I suggest that the twit at Apple that pushed this through needs to be booted out the door - Surely widening the iTunes market to other platforms is a good thing ? They need to accept that not everyones going to buy an iPhone for various reasons and for those people perhaps the iTunes store is the only way they can get some revenue.

What about the people that just buy music to play on a PC via iTunes - Is that any different to use a Palm-Pre ? Apple dare not pull the plug on that part of the market now.

I use an iMac (pile of junk - i'll be going back to PC next time because of hardware failure issues) and an iPhone 3Gs which is fantastic so I'm not advocating the PalmPre - I just feel that Apple need to get their head out of their backsides and use some common sense....

 

[pdjudd]

How childish of Apple to take their ball away......

Can I suggest that the twit at Apple that pushed this through needs to be booted out the door - Surely widening the iTunes market to other platforms is a good thing ? They need to accept that not everyones going to buy an iPhone for various reasons and for those people perhaps the iTunes store is the only way they can get some revenue.

I am going to say this one more time: You do not need iTunes to access purchased music. The iTunes Library XML ple is right there for anyone to use - several companies already use that. Some of these programs even sync to the Pre. Gasp! Heck, Apple even provides Sync services that are fully documented so that programs do not need iTunes and all of the components that will never work with other players anyway (like the DRM movies or the App Store). Guess what? Lots of companies exploit Sync Services to access Apple's data directly.

How exactly is Apple going to benefit themselves by wasting resources supporting the differences that each player needs for iTunes. Differences that can be avoided by already using tools that Apple makes available and widely used by other companies!

 

[kurosov]

How childish of Apple to take their ball away......

Can I suggest that the twit at Apple that pushed this through needs to be booted out the door - Surely widening the iTunes market to other platforms is a good thing ? They need to accept that not everyones going to buy an iPhone for various reasons and for those people perhaps the iTunes store is the only way they can get some revenue.

What about the people that just buy music to play on a PC via iTunes - Is that any different to use a Palm-Pre ? Apple dare not pull the plug on that part of the market now.

I use an iMac (pile of junk - i'll be going back to PC next time because of hardware failure issues) and an iPhone 3Gs which is fantastic so I'm not advocating the PalmPre - I just feel that Apple need to get their head out of their backsides and use some common sense....

you are an idiot.

Try reading a thread and the issues surrounding it before going off on a rat next time.

 

[Goona]

When will people realize that Apple doesn't care about having other hardware used with their software. It's in the companies DNA, it is one of the reasons they are successful. They are not like Microsoft who want t support the most amount of hardware with their software. If they acted like Microsoft we would see Mac OSX being licensed to differen hardware makers, same thing with iPhone OS. We would also see a variety of devices being able to sync with iTunes. When Apple goes against their element like what they did with Motorola and the ROKR, they fail. Why should they have to change what
they are good at? If you don't like the way Apple does things there are many alternatives out there.

 

[pdjudd]

When will people realize that Apple doesn't care about having other hardware used with their software.

People are funny. They think that the computer industry should work the way that Microsoft does business forgetting completely that it was due to a stroke of luck on Microsoft's behalf that will probably never happen again. The computing business we know today is the result of a historical glitch. Before Windows, computer makers made their own hardware and software. There was one successful platform that got cloned (IBM's) and it changed.

Of course people think that it should work that way because Microsoft exploited a loophole and stabbed IBM and Apple in the back to enter the clone market and become massively successful and rich.

I won't give Apple a free pass here - they royally screwed up back in the 90's, but they are back.

 

[objc]

I was wondering if any of the fanboys have ever shared files between a Windows machine and a Mac. Over a network or via removable media. Microsoft came up with the CIFS protocol. They came up with FAT32. Would you be cool with it if you were unable to share files with Windows machines? Or couldn't take files off a digital camera card? (they almost universally use FAT32) What if they dropped Office for Mac completely and then kept changing the file formats so that every time someone sent you a doc or ppt file you couldn't open it? Well why should they let you open it anyway? You have another program pretending to be office! OMG! It's deceptions!!!!!1

 

[lordsandwich]

open source

This is why open source software is the only alternative, so we're not a the whim of some company that does not appreciate its customers. If I own iTunes and / or a mac I should be allowed to do what I want with it, just like I can do what I want with my car. Pushing a specific update to destroy teh competition is not only digusting but also quite damaging for the consumer (of iTunes). Shameful

 

[pdjudd]

I was wondering if any of the fanboys have ever shared files between a Windows machine and a Mac.

Yes. I have been doing that since OS 7 or 8

Over a network or via removable media.

Yes

Microsoft came up with the CIFS protocol. They came up with FAT32. Would you be cool with it if you were unable to share files with Windows machines?

It would be kinda silly. Someone would just devise a file format that both parties would adopt - it makes business sense to do that. Thats something that MS nor Apple could stop. The original FAT format is not owned by Microsoft for example and could be supported by both platforms. However I fail to see the point. Mac's can only read fat32, they can't legally write to it.

Or couldn't take files off a digital camera card? (they almost universally use FAT32)

Well thats neither here nor there. If camera makers couldn't use FAT because of MS, they would use another that MS would have to support.

What if they dropped Office for Mac completely and then kept changing the file formats so that every time someone sent you a doc or ppt file you couldn't open it? Well why should they let you open it anyway? You have another program pretending to be office! OMG! It's deceptions!!!!!1

Guess what the doc formats have been continuously been reverse engineered and very legally so. MS could very well stop selling office for windows. Of course they don;t want to screw with compatibility because their corporate customers would raise holy heck. Not to mention that the Mac version of office is quite profitable.

But all of the support that you talk about is legally used on the Apple platform. MS doesn't care about that. What Palm did was very wrong, but legal. Palm never obtained permission to use Apple's API's That is the problem here. Apple is legally using the doc format, the industry is legally using FAT32.

Of course if MS tries to change this (it would be stupid since they are focussed on NTFS) they would be heavily criticized. Of course its all irrelevant because MS is a convicted monopolists. Apple is not. You cannot use MS as an example. The comparisons do not apply

 

[DougB541]

This is why open source software is the only alternative, so we're not a the whim of some company that does not appreciate its customers. If I own iTunes and / or a mac I should be allowed to do what I want with it, just like I can do what I want with my car. Pushing a specific update to destroy teh competition is not only digusting but also quite damaging for the consumer (of iTunes). Shameful

DoubleTwist! For any one with itunes without an iPhone.
http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt

 

[pdjudd]

Pushing a specific update to destroy teh competition is not only digusting but also quite damaging for the consumer (of iTunes). Shameful

Once again for the 1 billionth time. Apple is not destroying Palms ability to compete! How many times must I refer to the many legitimate methods that Apple themselves document and many other competitors use without problem. Apple has never allowed Palm access to iTunes. Of course Palm never sought permission in the first place. You never, ever assume that you can use private API's as a software developer. Never

 

[pdjudd]

DoubleTwist! For any one with itunes without an iPhone.
http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt

Or for the Pre side of things: http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/mac/palm-pre-sync-overview.html

It is commercial (sorry not free) and it even works with the latest version of iTunes! Gee Apple is really anti-competitive with that last iTunes update weren't they?

And that product works with many other phones! Scandal! This company has miraculously survived being shut down by that evil Apple! I wonder if they accomplished all this with that software that I keep talking about that Apple describes.

 

[DougB541]

Or for the Pre side of things: http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/mac/palm-pre-sync-overview.html

It is commercial (sorry not free) and it even works with the latest version of iTunes! Gee Apple is really anti-competitive with that last iTunes update were they?

And that product works with many other phones! Scandal! This company has miraculously survived being shut down by that evil Apple! I wonder if they accomplished all this with that software that I keep talking about that Apple describes.

Great point. Missing Sync is a great program and alternatives. This is why i don't know why this is being viewed as a big deal by some people.

Again, we knew it would happen...I still think it was more of a jab at Apple and Apple just answered back. Case closed.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Or for the Pre side of things: http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/mac/palm-pre-sync-overview.html

Doubletwist works w/the Pre as well AFAIK. And, like has been said by you, me and some others already the 3rd party apps for the Pre that allow it to sync on the Mac do a *much better job* than the Pre does syncing directly w/iTunes 8.2. If was going to keep a Pre synced up w/a Mac I'd use a third party app 'cause the out-of-the-box support is kinda lame, IMO.


Lethal

 

[pdjudd]

Doubletwist works w/the Pre as well AFAIK.

It does, I know. The guy I was responding to showed the blackberry and I wanted to show an example of a competing product that was not doubletwist and one that promotes Palm compatibility. Just so someone can't claim doubletwist as an anomaly.

 

[LethalWolfe]

It does, I know. The guy I was responding to showed the blackberry and I wanted to show an example of a competing product that was not doubletwist and one that promotes Palm compatibility. Just so someone can't claim doubletwist as an anomaly.

Ah, I gotcha.


Lethal

 

[reidme]

Apple is turning into "The Man." Breaking tethering, breaking Pre syncing, blocking iPhone apps that compete with theirs. You won't keep us down Apple! Not that I'll stop buying your products though if they're cute and work well.

 

[Jakethasnake919]

I think that this was a very reasonable thing for Apple to do. It's not so much that Palm was using iTunes to sync but the fact that other manufacturers would also start using iTunes. Why stop at cell phone manufacturers? MP3 players would also be able to use iTunes. This would cut into Apple's sells tremendously. What other option did they have besides to stop other devices from syncing? People can still sync their iTunes music, just not through iTunes. Other manufacturers can build their own media stores if they think that it is a good idea.

 

[AidenShaw]

OMG! It's deceptions!!!!!

I was wondering if any of the fanboys have ever shared files between a Windows machine and a Mac. Over a network or via removable media. Microsoft came up with the CIFS protocol. They came up with FAT32. Would you be cool with it if you were unable to share files with Windows machines? Or couldn't take files off a digital camera card? (they almost universally use FAT32) What if they dropped Office for Mac completely and then kept changing the file formats so that every time someone sent you a doc or ppt file you couldn't open it? Well why should they let you open it anyway? You have another program pretending to be office! OMG! It's deceptions!!!!!1

Beautiful analogies, but of course the fanbois won't understand them.

I don't know which is sadder - Apple acting like a spoiled child, or the blind defense of the fans.

This bumper sticker seems relevant:

Pushing a specific update to destroy teh competition is not only digusting but also quite damaging for the consumer (of iTunes). Shameful

Apple is turning into "The Man." Breaking tethering, breaking Pre syncing, blocking iPhone apps that compete with theirs.

Agree - this isn't cool, and Apple depends so much on being "cool".

What if this pre/tethering crap destroys the "Apple is cool" facade? People will buy Zunes, or at least throw away the tacky white plastic earbuds so that people won't know that they're uncool enough to buy an Ipod. At Starbucks, the posers will be in the corners, with the glowing Apple on their Powerbooks covered with duck tape (yes, duck tape).

This is why open source software is the only alternative, so we're not a the whim of some company that does not appreciate its customers.

My experience with open source is that OSS does not provide the kind of long term assurance of support that commercial software provides. The legions of volunteer programmers want to work on the latest and greatest - not support legacy things that might be important to the non-paying "customers".

My Excel 2007 gives me the choice of saving a file in "Excel 5.0" format, so that people who haven't upgraded since 1993 can read my files. With Linux, I find that scripts that I wrote a month ago break on an update - since the unpaid legions decided to change the spelling of a keyword and didn't even have the courtesy to alias the old spelling.

OSS is only as good as the passion of the unpaid programmers. They'll make sure that all the video files of old porn that you've downloaded are still viewable, but anything else is a crap shoot.

 

[clevin]

Just to add NPR mentioned antitrust law this AM regarding this action.

flame on if you want, fact won't change because of individual's love for apple.

Apple is a mean company, plain and simple, iPhone syncs with outlook and IE fav, I didn't see MS update software to break the sync.

 

[Neotyguy40]

This is hilarious... Go Apple!

They should have made the Palm Pre sync literally fry the data on it... Would need to get a new phone.

 

[NightStorm]

Just to add NPR mentioned antitrust law this AM regarding this action.

flame on if you want, fact won't change because of individual's love for apple.

Apple is a mean company, plain and simple, iPhone syncs with outlook and IE fav, I didn't see MS update software to break the sync.

Sigh, how many times do people have to say that the reason this is completely different is that Apple didn't hack the necessary access to Outlook or IE. They followed Microsoft's guidelines and did it the right way. Palm had the chance to do this, they chose not to.

 

[clevin]

Sigh, how many times do people have to say that the reason this is completely different is that Apple didn't hack the necessary access to Outlook or IE. They followed Microsoft's guidelines and did it the right way. Palm had the chance to do this, they chose not to.

Is there a right way Apple released for iTunes? allow 3rd party sync?

 

[manhattanboy]

you are an idiot.

Try reading a thread and the issues surrounding it before going off on a rat next time.

Your direct insult was rude.

By acting that way you are justifying everything he has stated about Apple and their fanboy's behavior.