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iTunes update out. version 7.4
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even tho i dont own a iPod or a iTunes compatible MP3 player or a iTunes compatible phone for ringtones, this is rubbish. how can they make you buy a song you have already paid for just to put it on your phone to use as a ringtone. why not just make you pay for the song (once) and you can set it to the part you want the phone to play as the ringtone and add it to the device or set it on the device, and then you would not have to pay for the song and pay again to get a hacked up version of the song to use as the ringtone. a very stupid move
when you buy a song you should have the ability to put it on your Phone and use it and not have to pay for it again to use it as a ringtone. it would seem that apple didn't put allot of thought into this and it would seem that this could backfire on them in a bad way. it looks like a way just to make another quick buck from the iPhone fad.
i wanted to save up and buy a iPod touch. but not now, not after this, also i will not buy any more songs from the iTunes. it should be, you pay for the song, you download it, if you want to put it on your Phone as a ringtone you can use the iTunes ringtone maker ( or what ever its called) to edit it to make it play the part of the song you want it to play for free.
i see no logical reason for apple to charge you 2 times for the same song just to use it as a ringtone.
when you buy a song you should have the ability to put it on your Phone and use it and not have to pay for it again to use it as a ringtone. it would seem that apple didn't put allot of thought into this and it would seem that this could backfire on them in a bad way. it looks like a way just to make another quick buck from the iPhone fad.
i wanted to save up and buy a iPod touch. but not now, not after this, also i will not buy any more songs from the iTunes. it should be, you pay for the song, you download it, if you want to put it on your Phone as a ringtone you can use the iTunes ringtone maker ( or what ever its called) to edit it to make it play the part of the song you want it to play for free.
i see no logical reason for apple to charge you 2 times for the same song just to use it as a ringtone.
My software update picks it up... but I havent installed it yet. I want to keep my new ringtones I put on my iPhone from *gasp* iToner!
If they get it, they should get 202 free ringtones, not 200, since ringtones are 99 cents, not $1.do early iPhone owners get the first 200(!) ringtones FREE? I think I deserve a rebate.
I too have joked that early adopters will pay full price, only to see prices drop later, but perhaps there's truth to it. Apple may already be negotiating for a better deal, once they prove they can sell these things.
I was just having a bit of fun with that one. No offense intended.
As for boycotting, go for it. I wish many more people would do that when they do not like how they're treated as consumers. It's of paramount importance if we want an equitable economic system.
As for Apple, not to defend them per se, or change your mind: The iPhone price drop, someone I know who for years did high-level PR for Samsung's mobile phone group, explained it to me. Brand new phones that sometimes go for as much as $500 *with subsidy*, inflated over $1,000 without contract subsidy, always *plunge* in price, both full retail and subsidy prices, within 2 - 3 months of release. It's just the industry. She thought Apple's price cut was a little early, but it's likely intended to coincide with the new iPod releases -- which they needed to get done because they were overdue a refresh and holiday shopping season starts in like four hours -- in order to push iPod customers into two groups, low end and high end. Low end goes to the video nano (the iPod classic is just a stopgap measure until they can get people used to no hard drives and less overall storage in iPods; I'm sure it will go away sooner rather than later), and high end, which is not the iPod touch, but the iPhone. (They don't even want to do an iPod touch, believe me. They want them in an iPhone for the continuous revenue stream; but they don't want to lose customers who won't yet commit to an iPhone. Also, they don't have an international iPhone presence yet but they do have worldwide iPod customers.) So to start the push you keep the nano cheap but add a lot of features, you release a very stripped iPhone as an iPod at a high price point, and you lower the price on the iPhone so that as many people as possible think, You know, I might as well just get an iPhone and get all those extra features. For the same price, if you don't mind 8GB instead of 16GB.
I got lucky, by the way, and paid $600 for my iPhone but within the 14-day return period, so I got a $200 refund from AT&T. But, basically, however many people, maybe a million early iPhone customers, a lot of them are mad as hell. But ten million potential iPhone customers who wouldn't go $600 but will go the price of an iPod, they are thrilled out of their minds and pulling out their wallets as fast as they can. Even if you lose all those first million early adopters -- which you won't -- who cares? You pick up nine million new customers.
And as for the ringtones, theoretically they aren't charging you to relicense a portion of a song you already own as a ringtone. They are charging you for the *service* of creating the ringtone from a song you buy and for which you own the license. This is made possible by the fact we own devices to which Apple won't allow third-party transfer of some kinds of applications and data. Sure, it's a moneymaking scheme, but in theory they're not licensing the song twice, just charging you a fee for the service. And it keeps the recording industry happy because they are under the mistaken impression they can control the use of a portion of a purchased song as a ringtone, even though both the fair use concept in copyright law and a decision specific to ringtones say otherwise.
Yup. With any 3rd party app. I wasnt going to do this, I was going to wait until Apple brought out their ringtones and buy those. I dont mind the price tag on the ringtones; but after the rediculousness yesterday with the iPhone pricing, I refuse to give them any more revenue right now.
oh man, that friggin' sucks! I used iToner, but I only used the trial...good thing I didn't buy it.
And the thing that I like about it the most is I can use mp3 from places like mobile9.com. And I don't use mp3s of songs, I use like real phone ringers, like the ctu ringtone. WHAT SONG HAS THAT! its also the loudest ringtone I've heard on the iPhone, which is great.
ok, just called ambrosia, very nice people I might add, they said it overrides the index for the songs you transfer in to your ringtones. So when you sync with iTunes it erases the imports from iToner. But if you sync with iToner again it puts them back on. HOWEVER, once you sync with iTunes again, it takes them off...they are working on it and will get an update to us
I figured out how to make sure that after updating iTunes to 7.4 you can make sure that any ringtones you have installed yourself stay on your ipod and don't get deleted.
1. Download and install iTunes 7.4
2. Don't plug your iphone in!
3. Launch iTunes 7.4 and aggree to new licence aggreement. (if you dare)
4. Click on iTunes > Prefrences
5. Go to the iPhone tab in the upper right
6. Check "Disable automatic syncing for all iPhones" to disable the automatic syncing process that happens when you plug your iPhone in.
7. Plug your iPhone in
8. Click on your iPhone under Devices
9. Click on the Ringtones tab
10. Uncheck "Sync ringtones"
You can then go back to iTunes > Prefrences > iPhone and uncheck the "Disable automatic syncing for all iPhones" box and you should not have to worry about any of your ringtones being messed with.
Hope that helps some people!
1. Download and install iTunes 7.4
2. Don't plug your iphone in!
3. Launch iTunes 7.4 and aggree to new licence aggreement. (if you dare)
4. Click on iTunes > Prefrences
5. Go to the iPhone tab in the upper right
6. Check "Disable automatic syncing for all iPhones" to disable the automatic syncing process that happens when you plug your iPhone in.
7. Plug your iPhone in
8. Click on your iPhone under Devices
9. Click on the Ringtones tab
10. Uncheck "Sync ringtones"
You can then go back to iTunes > Prefrences > iPhone and uncheck the "Disable automatic syncing for all iPhones" box and you should not have to worry about any of your ringtones being messed with.
Hope that helps some people!
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What's up with the closed captioning feature? Anyone tried it, or know how it is implemented?
What's up with the closed captioning feature? Anyone tried it, or know how it is implemented?
We'll get that at the end of the month -- that is in the iPod touch right? If not, we may not get it either -- with the Wifi store and, I expect video out since the new cables ship around then, and maybe a few other things, perhaps even video clip recording from the camera and to-do sync'ing. Problem is, the Events stuff is not in the current firmware. Only reason we get ringtones is that's been in there since day one; they just hadn't started offering the service via iTunes.
I definately have iTunes 7.4 installed. i had some songs set as ringtones that copied over using iFuntastic. When I sync they are still there. Not sure why I'm special but its not wiping them out. I even confirmed that the "Ringtones" tab has Sync enabled. I must be a wizard. However Steve Jobs is still a Prick.
The one software fix I have been waiting for until day one: Crossfading on your iPod JUST like when you playback in iTunes on your Mac. Why not? I just ordered the Classic 160GB so I have all of music with me, but the crossfade feature on the iPod is long overdie. Is there an tech reason why this can't happen?
Folks, you needn't pay to make a ringtone.
If you have a Mac, throw in the song you want to make into a ringtone on Garageband.
Crop, copy, paste, fade in & out on the selection you want, and export it to iTunes.
in iTunes, convert that song to mp3, at a low bit-rate, say 32kb, or 64kb.
Once it's converted to mp3, copy it to your desktop, and sync it to your phone using bluetooth.
I have a Motorola Pebbl and this worked for me, but I don't know if it works on the iPhone.
If you have a Mac, throw in the song you want to make into a ringtone on Garageband.
Crop, copy, paste, fade in & out on the selection you want, and export it to iTunes.
in iTunes, convert that song to mp3, at a low bit-rate, say 32kb, or 64kb.
Once it's converted to mp3, copy it to your desktop, and sync it to your phone using bluetooth.
I have a Motorola Pebbl and this worked for me, but I don't know if it works on the iPhone.
i have no problem paying for songs but paying twice for one? its highway robbery....apple cotows to the riaa and their greed once again....and from the way i understand it you do not have the option with all songs it is just select songs?
I've spent way too much time here today, but I thought you people would just revel in the benefit of my terminal wisdom on these topics (wink implied):
-Read up on fair use. Read court decisions on fair use. Read all that and you still won't fully understand it, because it's intentionally malleable and half by design, half by accident subject to broad interpretation. But under fair use you still have more rights with copyrighted works than you realize, no matter what media corporations and their industry organizations -- or even independent creative artists -- may claim. Just don't sell copies of anything or give away exact copies of anything, or give even altered copies of things away on a large scale -- large scale meaning anything more than a mix CD for your girlfriend.
-We all made the same deal with Apple when we bought iPhones. We agreed to pay $600 for a closed-architecture device, at least for native data and applications, that required a long service contract with a single vendor to even work at all. I don't philosophically agree with all this myself, but I wanted the benefits of the iPhone -- and it has been better even than I expected; I used to hate cell phones and any sort of mobile communications devices and now I find this one very useful -- so I capitulated.
-I know a lot of you here are new-ish to Apple, probably brought here by the iPod. But many others are longtime Apple users. Way back. From the dark years. The black reign of Sculley, the brief but near-lethal plague of Amelio. Me, since I was a kid in 1978 with an Apple II. This is what we wanted. We wanted Apple to be recognized for the great products they make and to become an industry giant in some facets of personal technology and media. You lie down with dogs, you're going to come up with a few fleas. It's unavoidable. There are trade-offs. Not one of us knows how Steve Jobs feels about the concessions he's had to make all over the place to get these pretty damn cool products and services out there. If you've read much about him, you know he's not fond of concessions, so he may be as mad as some of you. But for Apple to hold their newfound glamor and survive trendiness to remain for years or decades a significant force in consumer media and technology, well, some people have to get shot in the back of the head. I don't like it anymore than you do, but there is no way we could have had it both ways. Just be thankful that with their newfound success they're only demanding cost premiums and not turning out pricey, horribly broken products like Vista or Xbox 360.
-Read up on fair use. Read court decisions on fair use. Read all that and you still won't fully understand it, because it's intentionally malleable and half by design, half by accident subject to broad interpretation. But under fair use you still have more rights with copyrighted works than you realize, no matter what media corporations and their industry organizations -- or even independent creative artists -- may claim. Just don't sell copies of anything or give away exact copies of anything, or give even altered copies of things away on a large scale -- large scale meaning anything more than a mix CD for your girlfriend.
-We all made the same deal with Apple when we bought iPhones. We agreed to pay $600 for a closed-architecture device, at least for native data and applications, that required a long service contract with a single vendor to even work at all. I don't philosophically agree with all this myself, but I wanted the benefits of the iPhone -- and it has been better even than I expected; I used to hate cell phones and any sort of mobile communications devices and now I find this one very useful -- so I capitulated.
-I know a lot of you here are new-ish to Apple, probably brought here by the iPod. But many others are longtime Apple users. Way back. From the dark years. The black reign of Sculley, the brief but near-lethal plague of Amelio. Me, since I was a kid in 1978 with an Apple II. This is what we wanted. We wanted Apple to be recognized for the great products they make and to become an industry giant in some facets of personal technology and media. You lie down with dogs, you're going to come up with a few fleas. It's unavoidable. There are trade-offs. Not one of us knows how Steve Jobs feels about the concessions he's had to make all over the place to get these pretty damn cool products and services out there. If you've read much about him, you know he's not fond of concessions, so he may be as mad as some of you. But for Apple to hold their newfound glamor and survive trendiness to remain for years or decades a significant force in consumer media and technology, well, some people have to get shot in the back of the head. I don't like it anymore than you do, but there is no way we could have had it both ways. Just be thankful that with their newfound success they're only demanding cost premiums and not turning out pricey, horribly broken products like Vista or Xbox 360.
I'm ready for a software update to iTunes that will let me individually edit my podcast preferences so that I can keep some indefinitely and delete the time sensitive ones automatically. Maybe that's something I can do already and I haven't figured out, but I think the podcast settings are pretty weak.
That doesn't work. Even though you don't sync your ringtones, it appears that iTunes still checks the ringtone library and deletes anything not in iTunes. Unchecking the "sync ringtones" only means that no new ones will be added.
Stop complaining
Why do early iphone adopters keep bitchin about the price change. You guys are babys...you're right, they should've kept the price $600 so not to piss you off.....are you kidding me....grow up....use your brain and logic. Any new product is expensive. It costed apple $275 to manufacture the iPhone. Well guess what when more factories open and more sell, the price to produce a product drops. If a tecnology like the LCD becomes cheaper to manufacture then they can drop the price. Blu-ray was between $1000 to $2000 now you can get them for $500. That's technology fools. Your actually pissed they dropped the price....think fools, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If your bitchin about the price drop then that means you probably couldn't really afford one at the time and should not have bought it. You should be happy it's cheaper. And yes I bought a 8Gb for $600. This price drop just means that others that couldnt afford can do so now. Which means more iPhone users which means more support, and more mobile to moble text and talk savings. More user feedback because apple does listen. This was the best news at the show for early iPhone adopters!
Why do early iphone adopters keep bitchin about the price change. You guys are babys...you're right, they should've kept the price $600 so not to piss you off.....are you kidding me....grow up....use your brain and logic. Any new product is expensive. It costed apple $275 to manufacture the iPhone. Well guess what when more factories open and more sell, the price to produce a product drops. If a tecnology like the LCD becomes cheaper to manufacture then they can drop the price. Blu-ray was between $1000 to $2000 now you can get them for $500. That's technology fools. Your actually pissed they dropped the price....think fools, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If your bitchin about the price drop then that means you probably couldn't really afford one at the time and should not have bought it. You should be happy it's cheaper. And yes I bought a 8Gb for $600. This price drop just means that others that couldnt afford can do so now. Which means more iPhone users which means more support, and more mobile to moble text and talk savings. More user feedback because apple does listen. This was the best news at the show for early iPhone adopters!
Interesting you mention this. Record companies like say that would require a broadcast license, but courts have clearly said it does not. Playing music in a social setting IS NOT broadcasting. Now, if you were say, at a football tailgate party and many people were around, that could be argued broadcasting.
The issue at hand is a ring-tone a broadcast or private use. Personally, I don't know. Legally the RIAA doesn't know. There member have been suing each other over it for awhile now, (which faction should get money.)
Either-way, fair-use is "Up to 10% of a body of sound recording, but no more than 30 seconds," which as I understand it should cover you creation of a custom ring-tone and it's broadcast.