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iTunes update out. version 7.4

warheart said:
Why do early iphone adopters keep bitchin about the price change. You guys are babys...you're right, they should've kept the price $600 so not to piss you off.....are you kidding me....grow up....use your brain and logic. Any new product is expensive. It costed apple $275 to manufacture the iPhone. Well guess what when more factories open and more sell, the price to produce a product drops. If a tecnology like the LCD becomes cheaper to manufacture then they can drop the price. Blu-ray was between $1000 to $2000 now you can get them for $500. That's technology fools. Your actually pissed they dropped the price....think fools, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If your bitchin about the price drop then that means you probably couldn't really afford one at the time and should not have bought it. You should be happy it's cheaper. And yes I bought a 8Gb for $600. This price drop just means that others that couldnt afford can do so now. Which means more iPhone users which means more support, and more mobile to moble text and talk savings. More user feedback because apple does listen. This was the best news at the show for early iPhone adopters!
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Hey Newbie, people are talking about the ringtones here, not the price drop. AND if people are talking about what they want, then so be it. Instead of screaming back at people in a hostile manner for expressing their feelings why don't you counter it with a logical argument? If not, go back to your nickelodeon forums.
 
warheart said:
Why do early iphone adopters keep bitchin about the price change. You guys are babys...you're right, they should've kept the price $600 so not to piss you off.....are you kidding me....grow up....use your brain and logic. Any new product is expensive. It costed apple $275 to manufacture the iPhone. Well guess what when more factories open and more sell, the price to produce a product drops. If a tecnology like the LCD becomes cheaper to manufacture then they can drop the price. Blu-ray was between $1000 to $2000 now you can get them for $500. That's technology fools. Your actually pissed they dropped the price....think fools, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If your bitchin about the price drop then that means you probably couldn't really afford one at the time and should not have bought it. You should be happy it's cheaper. And yes I bought a 8Gb for $600. This price drop just means that others that couldnt afford can do so now. Which means more iPhone users which means more support, and more mobile to moble text and talk savings. More user feedback because apple does listen. This was the best news at the show for early iPhone adopters!
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You miss the point, entirely. The reason early adopters are pissed is because of the huge drop in price (33%) in ONLY 60 DAYS! That's unheard of. Look at game consoles. They sell for $300-$600'ish and don't see a price drop until after a year. This was too early for such a substantial drop in price. It's a bit of a stinger for people who paid $600. I'm not saying I regret it, because I've been enjoying it since June 29th. And I'm glad more people can afford it now. But a $50-$100 price drop would've hurt less.
 
Ahhh.... iTunes.

Just when you thought your 2.8GHz processor should be able to run apps snappy, there's iTunes to prove you wrong. God bless those iTunes developers. God bless them I say.
 
My ringtones still work just fine after syncing with iTunes 7.4

I'm using iFuntastic on my PPC and all is good. I wonder if it's just Intel users that are effected by the clean up.
 
CaptSaltyJack said:
You miss the point, entirely. The reason early adopters are pissed is because of the huge drop in price (33%) in ONLY 60 DAYS! That's unheard of. Look at game consoles. They sell for $300-$600'ish and don't see a price drop until after a year. This was too early for such a substantial drop in price. It's a bit of a stinger for people who paid $600. I'm not saying I regret it, because I've been enjoying it since June 29th. And I'm glad more people can afford it now. But a $50-$100 price drop would've hurt less.
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No you are wrong, the iPhone is not a game console, but a phone, phone prices drop much faster than anything else electronic, especially when popular.

All products that are hyped up have a premium price when they go on sale. Normally people don't whine about it, but core Apple fans are Apple core fans they are are always a tad too loud, when they are happy and when they are not..

To me it is most amusing (and yes I bought 2 iPhones after standing 4 hours in line)
 
Copyrights are for OUR benefit

What the latest spat of 'intellectual property' right fictions miss is that according to the Constitution copyrights are licensed for the benefit of the citizens, not the copyright holders. They are issued solely to allow people that do creative works to make enough money to keep making creative works so that the citizens can get even more creative works. Not make the creator wealthy for life from making one creation, not to so tie up that creation in legal technicalities that the citizens don't have reasonable usage of it.

They only own the copy right, how it may be copied and distributed, not the work itself that is public property from the moment it was released to the public.

Losing sight of this is what's messed up creativity and innovation especially since the fiction of 'intellectual property' infected the discussion.
 
BobVB said:
What the latest spat of 'intellectual property' right fictions miss is that according to the Constitution copyrights are licensed for the benefit of the citizens, not the copyright holders. They are issued solely to allow people that do creative works to make enough money to keep making creative works so that the citizens can get even more creative works. Not make the creator wealthy for life from making one creation, not to so tie up that creation in legal technicalities that the citizens don't have reasonable usage of it.

They only own the copy right, how it may be copied and distributed, not the work itself that is public property from the moment it was released to the public.

Losing sight of this is what's messed up creativity and innovation especially since the fiction of 'intellectual property' infected the discussion.
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yes, but we live in a society where the gov't doesn't work for us, they work for the lobbyist, who work for the big companies. Why do you think these things haven't been solved yet? cause they haven't capitalized on the profits yet.
 
Free advertising

I think the point a lot of people miss in the ongoing ringtone debate is free advertising. Even if I don't pay for a ringtone and use a 3rd party app, most of the time it's for songs and artists not in the mainstream. If someone then hears this in public, it would potentially generate interest and possibly result in an album sale. Record companies pimp their stuff all day long. Hell, iTunes plays 30 second previews of songs, do you mean to tell me Apple pays 99 cents every time they preview? if I were a record exec, I would not be so wrapped up in the fact that consumers need specific licenses. It's not the whole song, and no one is stealing the music, so why not try to generate some interest and get more revenue?
 
annoyed

ok, who else thinks the selection of ringtones for the iphone sucks? i mean, they're juvenile. they make for decent alarms, but for ringtones they're embarrassing in public. i want/need a standard selection of ringtones that are professional.

so now my only option is to pay more money to use a damn song as a ringtone? i don't want a song as my ringtone. so i have to hack it to get around this?

seems to me that apple supplied us with a crappy selection of ringtones just so that we'd have to pay to use their catalog of itunes music as a substitute. apple is beginning to be really obnoxious. they over-charge early adopters of the iphone, they switch to intel right after i buy a powerpc, and now this crap?

again, apple is a corporation like every other. never again will i blindly buy their products.
 
irun5k said:
No thanks. No .99 ringtone service for me. I already bought the song legally, or licensed it legally, or licensed the rights to it, or whatever their lawyers would call it when I pay .99 cents to download a song. I'm not going to spend another buck to put part of it into another file and copy it to my iPhone.

What the heck is the .99 for anyway? I have garage band for crying out loud. Are the shareware options for ringtones actually ILLEGAL? I guess they are, or else why would you have to pay .99 for a much less powerful version of something that already comes with iLife?

So if I have to pay for the right to play a ringtone in public, what does this mean about people who play a CD at a picnic so everyone in the park can here it? Is there an additional charge for that too?

Maybe its just me but I'm starting to feel like a tool. I've never regretted buying a CD because I still have them all in a case. But I've started getting a sick feeling about all the stuff I bought from iTMS though. Several hundred bucks for some DRM crippled bytes on my hard drive. Even got videos that I can't even burn. I've been a friggin slave to Apple- even gave them $600 for an iPhone because I got caught up being a fan boy. Doh! all my fault. I'm a big idiot tool. Does anybody know a good fan boy recovery program?
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Lets not also forget that you are paying the same price for only 30 seconds of a song. What bugs me even more is that fact I have to pay to put my own ringtone on there, maybe something I created.

The fact that Apple deletes the custom ring tones after each sync adds insult to injury. I am going to call Apple once a day to complain about this until its resolved. I find it totally uncalled for.
 
sss4r said:
again, apple is a corporation like every other. never again will i blindly buy their products.
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so who's products will you buy? since they are a corporation like every other corporation? mom and pop shops don't make computers that don't have parts from major corporations...so will you buy windows instead? they are any better? thought they were far worse...huh?

and you blindly bought an iPhone...wow! But seriously, why would you buy something blindly? And what do you mean by blindly? Did you buy it and think...omg! apple will never lower the price? Was that the first thing that went into your head? I doubt it.

I understand why everyone is upset about the price drop and the ringtones. It stung when they dropped the price of the phone, but it was expected...my problem is that it wasn't expected this soon. I am sure that they will give us an explanation or reason or press release later today (its only 10am over in CA). Steve probably opened his e-mail and was like WTF MATE! (500,000 new messages).

So let's calm down. I'd also like to point out the fact that once Apple does something like this everyone jumps on their case forgetting about everything they have done well for their customers and for the industry. The good will be forgotten but the bad will live in our hearts forever...I hate that attitude.
 
Ooh, Bob paid attention in his undergrad American history course. The whole concept was to promote culture and artistic development -- to perpetuate a renaissance environment -- by allowing artists of all kinds to make a living wage from their ongoing creations. It was almost a sort of utopian thing, recognition that in a capitalist economy, artists, since they couldn't be, not under our economic system, all properly hired by the government to make art -- as institutionalized communist systems did in fact do -- had to have some protections so they could be artists and still, you know, eat once a week. Or avoid working in a factory all day long just to survive, with only an exhausted hour or two in the middle of the night to work on their art.

Today's copyright system, even accounting for fair use, is a wholesale bastardization of the original intent, which was to allow artists to work as artists in an economic system that doesn't so readily favor natural moneymaking markets for art.

BobVB said:
What the latest spat of 'intellectual property' right fictions miss is that according to the Constitution copyrights are licensed for the benefit of the citizens, not the copyright holders. They are issued solely to allow people that do creative works to make enough money to keep making creative works so that the citizens can get even more creative works. Not make the creator wealthy for life from making one creation, not to so tie up that creation in legal technicalities that the citizens don't have reasonable usage of it.

They only own the copy right, how it may be copied and distributed, not the work itself that is public property from the moment it was released to the public.

Losing sight of this is what's messed up creativity and innovation especially since the fiction of 'intellectual property' infected the discussion.
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/dev/toaster said:
Lets not also forget that you are paying the same price for only 30 seconds of a song. What bugs me even more is that fact I have to pay to put my own ringtone on there, maybe something I created.

The fact that Apple deletes the custom ring tones after each sync adds insult to injury. I am going to call Apple once a day to complain about this until its resolved. I find it totally uncalled for.
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you should probably call the music companies that are behind this...if it was apple's doing they wouldn't of said only 500,000 songs are available to do this with. they would have said over 6million songs are available to do this with.
 
my ringtones still work!!

i used the "song sender" app from erica sadun, and my ringtones still work with the update. :)

forget paying 99 cents extra haha!!
 
iTunes ring tones a joke

Ok Steve, now that your day of glory is done, time to come back to the real-world and see what kind of crap you put out with this whole ring tones thing. Do you seriously think people are going to repurchase songs and then buy a 30 second cut of it again (thereby paying for it twice and perhaps more if you already owned it)?? I would have LOVED to be in the meeting where some idiot child dreamed up that scheme. I think I can predict what your ringtone sales will be ... pretty much NULL!!!. I might buy ONE just to see how the iTunes library stores it on my machine .. and then take the approach of adding my own values into it directly ...

The funny thing is: I DON'T EVEN WANT REGULAR MUSIC FOR A RING TONE!! Didn't think that one out did ya Steve?
 
Installer.app doesn't work with the new iTunes ... anybody know how I could roll back to a previous version ? (I am not 100% sure why I upgraded in the first place)
 
Divindude said:
Do you seriously think people are going to repurchase songs and then buy a 30 second cut of it again (thereby paying for it twice and perhaps more if you already owned it)?? I would have LOVED to be in the meeting where some idiot child dreamed up that scheme. I think I can predict what your ringtone sales will be ... pretty much NULL!!!.
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I'm sure their market development people have a good idea of how much it will make them, and I'm sure it is a grip. I'd wager that 95% of users with non-standard rings will just use the itunes way of doing it, myself included.
 
Weak Sauce

Apple makes concessions to the music companies who supply them with content for iTMS, which is now a cash cow. iTMS used to be a secondary, largely unprofitable endeavor that was supposed to SUPPORT iTunes + iPod. The consumer is the only one who is losing by these recent decisions.

My current iPhone ringtone is a 15 second clip from a LIVE song from one of my favorite bands (quite a funky breakdown if I might add). While I understand why Apple is charging for the ringtones as per their agreements with music companies, they made a decision to appease these companies by not allowing the ringtone creator to work for non-iTunes purchased songs. That's PATHETIC.

What's more pathetic is that the new version of iTunes DELETES my perfectly legal ringtone that I had to install using a 3rd party app. I can't get this particular jam from the artist's album version on iTunes. Thus I can't pay for the same ringtone I have legally and free on my phone right now.

It's a bunch of BS that Apple limits the way I can use content I've paid for or legally obtained for free for the sole purpose of appeasing their own business partners who fear that WE, the CONSUMERS, may go a free route rather than putting money in their pockets. Utter bullsh*t.
 
drater said:
you should probably call the music companies that are behind this...if it was apple's doing they wouldn't of said only 500,000 songs are available to do this with. they would have said over 6million songs are available to do this with.
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So, you are saying its the music companies who told Apple that they couldn't allow users to create ring tones of their own content purchased or created outside of iTunes ? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Also, its not the record companies who told Apple to delete all 3rd party ringtones during sync.
 
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no need to jump on this software update unless u want iTunes wifi. I'm happy with making ring tones for free :)
 
/dev/toaster said:
So, you are saying its the music companies who told Apple that they couldn't allow users to create ring tones of their own content purchased or created outside of iTunes ? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Also, its not the record companies who told Apple to delete all 3rd party ringtones during sync.
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you don't need to believe me: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/08/31/apple.to.offer.ringtones/

http://www.newsday.com/business/la-fi-apple31aug31,0,1979819.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines



just google it
 
Ok, installed itunes 7.4. Now how the hell do I add a ringtone? Doubt I will pay for it, just wondering how its done because there is no obvious way to do it.
 
Wow there's a lot of would be lawyers at MacRumors! A lot of you keep saying things like "the court would definitely say..." or "the court has said in the past..." And naturally these theoretical court deicsions always agree with the poster and are apparently supposed to offer conclusive prove that the person with the opposite opinion is wrong.

Do any of you guys have links? I ask because it would certainly be nice to see such precedence, but without proof I can't just take these statements at face value. Sorry.
 
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