I've successfully incorporated Vision Pro into my everyday (indoor) life. Here are my thoughts.

[Contact_Feanor]

I wear reading glasses and have had a VisionPro for a week now. I also wear contacts. Contacts correct my distance vision, but then I need readers for computer/iPhone/book. I use +1.25 for computer work and +2.0 for iPhone/books.

There was a lot of confusion at the Apple Store over my situation. We settled on reader lenses - the +2.0. And I will say they work great! Very little eye strain - certainly not as much as my Sony PSVR or PSVR2. Also less than my computer screens when at the wrong distance. I can use the VisionPro without eye strain for an hour or more. I haven't watched a full movie yet.

I did break myself into using the VisionPro though. I was very conscious of how eye strain can cause me headaches for many hours afterwards, so I used the VisionPro in 15 - 30 minute sessions for the first few days. Now I don't worry about it at all.

Thanks!

 

[spiderman0616]

Couple of questions:
• Do you wear reading glasses? How are the lenses, any eye strain?
• One of the reasons I'd love one is one of the things you already mentioned: watching movies as a night owl when the partner is already sleeping. Some reviews I've read complain that watching a movie in the dark is impossible because it keeps throwing up errors that pause the movie about it not seeing your hands. Did you find this to be an issue?
• if you're using it reclined, is the single strap comfortable enough?

Thanks!

1. I wear progressive lenses, and the ZEISS lenses are working fine for me. I do get a little eye strain with 3D movies, but that was an issue for me before the Vision Pro. 3D games and immersive content don't seem to bother me. 2D movies I can watch beginning to end no issues.

2. I only get the hands aren't visible error in the dark when I first am in the dark room. After that it doesn't happen anymore.

3. I use the single strap exclusively and haven't even unboxed the dual loop. It's comfortable for me in all use cases. Not sure why. lol

 

[spiderman0616]

Nothing more comfortable than a heavy mask that is attached to a cord that has a heavy battery attached to that AND in bed?? Got to keep the lights on, right? How else would you go to the bathroom?

I usually go before the movie, and then if I have to go during the movie I pause it, take the headset off, and go to the bathroom. Any other pressing questions?

 

[spiderman0616]

Major issues watching movies in bed.
1. You need a lot of light in order for it to track your hands well
2. Keeps giving me warnings about "obstacles in the way" which is my blanket, etc.
3. All the cool environments, like movie theatre, put the screen out on the wall, below my bed, so it's really not great. What I find best is to look up and have the video just play in a floating window above you. That's actually a pretty cool and comfortable way to watch video, but again every once in a while, it'll try to put a window up on the wall so you need to sit up just to grab the window handle and move it around.

I find environments to be ultra useful, but for movies I prefer the theater view if I'm propped upright or if I"m laying back I just stick the movie up on the ceiling.

 

[spiderman0616]

I’d bet my left pinky toe that the majority of people complaining about it don’t actually have it and are just regurgitating what the YouTubers are saying to troll those that were fortunate enough to buy one. I’m not going to mention names but there are a few very obvious ones lurking this sub.

I can appreciate your viewpoint on this.

Tale as old as time on this one. I've been around for a lot of new Apple platform launches at this point, and this is just history repeating itself. The iPod, iPhone, Apple Watch, and iPad were all declared overpriced useless flops at inception and all got the same kind of complaining and negativity here that the Vision Pro is getting. And people are going to reply to this with "Yeah, but those devices are actually useful and this one never will be for me" which is the exact litany of complaints they had about all the other devices they already probably own.

In fact, it's so prominent on THIS VERY SITE that the thread about the first iPod launch from the MacRumors forums is often used in news articles as a prime example of how knee jerk reactions and negativity about new Apple products usually sound really really dumb in hindsight. There have been exceptions but they mostly just prove the rule.

A lot of people just don't like anything and can't be positive or live and let live at all.

 

[spiderman0616]

I curious how much of your usage is as a fancy monitor for your Mac vs using Vision Pro apps (or floating iPad apps)?

BOTH!

Example: Yesterday I had my Mac monitor in the center in an environment and once I had the size of that where I wanted it I put my visionOS apps I needed for the day all around it. It's quite versatile in that way.

 

[ShadowJade]

1. I wear progressive lenses, and the ZEISS lenses are working fine for me. I do get a little eye strain with 3D movies, but that was an issue for me before the Vision Pro. 3D games and immersive content don't seem to bother me. 2D movies I can watch beginning to end no issues.

2. I only get the hands aren't visible error in the dark when I first am in the dark room. After that it doesn't happen anymore.

3. I use the single strap exclusively and haven't even unboxed the dual loop. It's comfortable for me in all use cases. Not sure why. lol

I agree on the solo band use. I find if you start to tighten it and feel the pressure near your forehead, slide the back higher. As you go up, the pressure transfers to your nose area. Finding the sweet spot in the middle is key. I can wear it for hours in bed with my Beats Studio Pros on and literally fall asleep in comfort.

 

[spiderman0616]

I agree on the solo band use. I find if you start to tighten it and feel the pressure near your forehead, slide the back higher. As you go up, the pressure transfers to your nose area. Finding the sweet spot in the middle is key. I can wear it for hours in bed with my Beats Studio Pros on and literally fall asleep in comfort.

I agree. The first couple days I couldn't seem to get it right and then muscle memory kicks in eventually and you learn just where to put it and just how far to tighten it. One of my favorite things about the hardware is how finely you can dial that tension level. It's great.

 

[ShadowJade]

I agree. The first couple days I couldn't seem to get it right and then muscle memory kicks in eventually and you learn just where to put it and just how far to tighten it. One of my favorite things about the hardware is how finely you can dial that tension level. It's great.

Spot on. And if I am lying in bed watching something on the ceiling, I can loosen it for the occasional itch. What bugs me is if I try to do theatrical seating within the immersion, it only allows that on a plane perpendicular to the floor (hence must sit up/elevate). This is the case with the app Table Games also…you must be sitting up. Also, I can’t rotate my display if I roll to my side to watch. It will angle a bit, but not the 70-80° that I wish. My final grip is that when a phone call is coming in on my iPhone, either 1) it should ring/be answerable in Vision Pro, or 2) it should auto give pass through viewing of the iPhone screen regardless of environment use (or in my case, Watch).

 

[Contact_Feanor]

1. I wear progressive lenses, and the ZEISS lenses are working fine for me. I do get a little eye strain with 3D movies, but that was an issue for me before the Vision Pro. 3D games and immersive content don't seem to bother me. 2D movies I can watch beginning to end no issues.

2. I only get the hands aren't visible error in the dark when I first am in the dark room. After that it doesn't happen anymore.

3. I use the single strap exclusively and haven't even unboxed the dual loop. It's comfortable for me in all use cases. Not sure why. lol

Thanks for the reply

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I mostly agree. I happened to buy a really nice office chair that fully reclines and comes with a table that attaches to the armrest and it is PERFECT for this type of setup. I can now rest my head back (taking away any discomfort or heavy complaints) and then I have my MacBook and the AVP battery on the laptop table, as well as a mouse and my iPhone.

I love working from it or reclining back on it to watch some content.

As the OP said, some of it still feels very new and a little buggy/not fully fleshed out, but that is what to expect in a Gen 1 device.

I am slowly using mine more and more.

I do wish the battery attachment wasn't up front/on side and instead more towards the back. I always get it tangled on my arms while getting situated.

Could you please share the link to the office chair you mentioned above?
I have a nice recliner, great for watching videos and relaxing while reading.
But I found out that an office chair may be best because of posture, ability to turn around 360°.
I am using a small lap desk for my keyboard.
I’m trying to find a solid reason to keep my AVP, my mind says “return it”, my ‘heart’ says: “Keep it”.
I need both to reach a compromise.

 

[G5isAlive]

I agree on the solo band use. I find if you start to tighten it and feel the pressure near your forehead, slide the back higher. As you go up, the pressure transfers to your nose area. Finding the sweet spot in the middle is key. I can wear it for hours in bed with my Beats Studio Pros on and literally fall asleep in comfort.

I think some people interpret any pressure as bad, uncomfortable, this thing sucks. To me its all background noise. The solo band has been fine since day one, wore it 5 hours straight sitting up. Day 2 i switched to the dual band because everyone said it was better. For me it wasnt better, about the same, and much more difficult to take on and off. Went back to the soloband and havent looked back. I do agree, sliding it up a bit in the back seems to be the key.

 

[spiderman0616]

Spot on. And if I am lying in bed watching something on the ceiling, I can loosen it for the occasional itch. What bugs me is if I try to do theatrical seating within the immersion, it only allows that on a plane perpendicular to the floor (hence must sit up/elevate). This is the case with the app Table Games also…you must be sitting up. Also, I can’t rotate my display if I roll to my side to watch. It will angle a bit, but not the 70-80° that I wish. My final grip is that when a phone call is coming in on my iPhone, either 1) it should ring/be answerable in Vision Pro, or 2) it should auto give pass through viewing of the iPhone screen regardless of environment use (or in my case, Watch).

Agree. I have often wished it would let me re-center theater view so I could have the best of both worlds.

 

[spiderman0616]

I think some people interpret any pressure as bad, uncomfortable, this thing sucks. To me its all background noise. The solo band has been fine since day one, wore it 5 hours straight sitting up. Day 2 i switched to the dual band because everyone said it was better. For me it wasnt better, about the same, and much more difficult to take on and off. Went back to the soloband and havent looked back. I do agree, sliding it up a bit in the back seems to be the key.

Definitely. If you have the back part of the band too far up, there's too much pressure on your cheek bones, and if it's too far down there's too much pressure on your forehead. There's a sweet spot that takes a couple days to figure out.

 

[jclardy]

#2 is the most surprising thing for me personally - I would have expected excellent "handling" From Apple given how nicely iPhones/iPads/macs feel when carrying them around. Vision Pro feels like a delicate piece of glass that you can't touch on 90% of the device. Even the audio straps feel fragile and like they can't support the entire weight of the device. I have a Quest 3 as well, and they nailed this part of it, basically the only part you don't want to touch is the lenses, but you can handle it from nearly everywhere and it feels durable even though it is all plastic.

Software wise things are fine for me except for zoom, for which I had audio issues like you stated. The calls would join and work great for 5 minutes, then the audio drops and I have to force quit the app and rejoin to get it working again.

 

[spiderman0616]

#2 is the most surprising thing for me personally - I would have expected excellent "handling" From Apple given how nicely iPhones/iPads/macs feel when carrying them around. Vision Pro feels like a delicate piece of glass that you can't touch on 90% of the device. Even the audio straps feel fragile and like they can't support the entire weight of the device. I have a Quest 3 as well, and they nailed this part of it, basically the only part you don't want to touch is the lenses, but you can handle it from nearly everywhere and it feels durable even though it is all plastic.

Software wise things are fine for me except for zoom, for which I had audio issues like you stated. The calls would join and work great for 5 minutes, then the audio drops and I have to force quit the app and rejoin to get it working again.

For as much as I really don't want the light shield or cushion to move, I really just wish the magnets were a little stronger. I'm not saying I want to hold the headset by those parts either way, I just wish the ends of the cushion would stay put while I'm trying to maneuver the thing off my desk and onto my face.

It is another thing that becomes muscle memory though: how not to handle this hardware without knocking the magnetic pieces off. I just kept reminding myself that the computer part is in the front--that's where you hold it. I don't feel like the rubber straps with the audio pods are particularly fragile feeling though--they seem pretty durable to me.

 

[MinimeJer05]

Could you please share the link to the office chair you mentioned above?
I have a nice recliner, great for watching videos and relaxing while reading.
But I found out that an office chair may be best because of posture, ability to turn around 360°.
I am using a small lap desk for my keyboard.
I’m trying to find a solid reason to keep my AVP, my mind says “return it”, my ‘heart’ says: “Keep it”.
I need both to reach a compromise.

Absolutely!

Chair -- https://www.ergonewtral.com/?gad_so...Af8eE4NDIXkJ1HTwOMsWyTkMLohz_VYIaAny1EALw_wcB

*I have the Magic H, but I see they have a few newer ones.

Chair Table/Laptop attachment -- https://www.ergonewtral.com/products/newtral-detachable-ergonomic-laptop-table

*I like to keep this in "prop up" mode so my MacBook is angled towards me (to use the keyboard) and then I put the AVP battery unit behind/under the laptop ventilation area. And then a mouse off to the side, a cup for drinking and my phone on the back rail.

 

[MikeX]

i have an 77inch oled which i use with airplay as secondary display. tell me how vision pro would be better.

 

[MockT]

i have an 77inch oled which i use with airplay as secondary display. tell me how vision pro would be better.

3D movies and immersive experiences.

In 2D, your OLED TV is likely better, if smaller.

 

[MarkNewton2023]

It is great to see positive experiences on AVP. It signifies Apple successfully delivers a product for certain demographic group. AVP might be great for some group, but not for others. Keep calm and be happy on any preferences 😊 Life is too short to be unhappy😊 Enjoy life while we still alive.

 

[AlastorKatriona]

Thank you. It’s nice to hear from people who actually like AVP. 😊

All six of them.

 

[G5isAlive]

Definitely. If you have the back part of the band too far up, there's too much pressure on your cheek bones, and if it's too far down there's too much pressure on your forehead. There's a sweet spot that takes a couple days to figure out.

it only took me an hour or two, and most of that was just testing for more than a few minutes. But what it really takes is a desire to try, to find out, rather than looking for a reason not to like something. I dont assume things are perfect or even have to be. Stands to reason somethings need working out.

 

[jigzaw]

I'm currently debating with myself whether to keep it, and I have until Friday. I'm leaning towards returning because as cool as the controls are, I find the hardware more limited than I'd imagined. I have very little experience with VR so I was surprised by how narrow the fov is and the glare is really something in a lot of situations. I was expecting a much better optical situation, tbh.

But ok, those things your brain compensates for and you can mostly let them stop distracting you over time but what I'm finding is in terms of just movie watching, when I want to watch a movie in my living room, there is something really sweet and relaxing about it and I'm finding that element isn't there when I'm wearing the AVP. I find it feels like a much more active experience and it takes the sort of pleasure and ease of having my drink nearby where I can see it, seeing my cat lounging over there, etc, and just physically it is a little distracting/burdensome to wear this thing when you're just chilling out with a movie.

Should I have thought about all that before buying? Of course. Aside from the optics that I find less than ideal, I should have just philosophically thought about how much I'd want to really use this for movie-watching. Truth is in 2 weeks I've maybe made it through 10 minutes here and there of a movie or TV show. As amazing as it LOOKS, I just don't find myself loving wearing it. It feels like work.

For $1000 or $1500 I could rationalize keeping it, but I'm having a hard time swallowing the $4200 price tag (tax, lenses, bag included) when I just know the next gen of the Vision Pro will likely be much more comfortable and maybe tweak and improve the optics. But... I got caught up in the hype.

One thing that really does have my attention is the Apple Immersive videos. If you're trial-ing the AVP right now too and are undecided, make sure you check those out in Apple+. I watched the tightrope woman, the Rhinos, some of Alicia Keys, and I gotta say those ARE compelling to watch. The rhinos video was really emotional and lovely. They're short enough to not become tiresome and it really starts to feel like you are in the room with these people/animals and can get a good sense of their physical presence in space. I find that REALLY fascinating as a medium and it's kind of the thing still itching at me to want to keep the headset... I have a couple days left... I'll reach some sort of conclusion I'm sure. hahaha

Also I love the spatial video/photos thing. It is amazing to play back my cat running around as if I'm living it again. But a couple of comments - it's still a bit low-rez, and the cloud/haze around the edges are well-conceived but maybe a little heavy-handed right now. I am looking forward to getting the iPhone 16 so I can start shooting things like that if only to have them on some future version of AVP.


EDIT - Quest 3 thoughts. I'm considering if I return the AVP, to grab a Quest 3 since the price is much more manageable just to play with. I'm wondering/hoping whether there will be an Apple TV app that brings those Immersive Videos with them to Quest like Meta is bringing the spatial photos/videos compatibility.

 

[G5isAlive]

All six of them.

I appreciate accuracy is not a requirement for snark, but anyone that can count can find 11 folks in this short thread alone. Sharing positive experiences, but also helpful tips is part of what brings some to MR. Constructive criticism has its place of course, emphasis on constructive.

Thanks those of you sharing the tips. Really helpful.

 

[Night Spring]

i have an 77inch oled which i use with airplay as secondary display. tell me how vision pro would be better.

How easy is it to move your TV from the living room to the bedroom, then back?