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What? The retail price of iWork is currently $79.00 US or £55.00 UK so the prices given above are substainsial discounts.
You mean we can't debate the point?
Anyway, it seems to me Pages already has a "page layout" mode. It's called "show layout." You see the page margins, edges of text boxes, etc. The only thing you don't get is the page centered in the dead area.
I'm not after outlines of the text area, it is the over all view. It just looks weird being completely aligned left, rather than centered.
You wouldn't hang a picture on the wall right aside the corner, you'd hang it in the middle of a wall. I think the same should be applied to viewing documents (and give the user the option to view like this, or the default view), I find it better to view the document in the same way, as my eyes see what the finished product will be like, rather than it being aligned to the left which to me, can be deceiving.
I'm not saying Apple should remove the current view, I'm just saying it would be better if they added the view MS Word uses too. After all, Pages is competing against MS Word, and for people who are thinking about switching between the two, something as basic as viewing the document as a page is something that should be addressed.
I figured that this is what you meant. I never look at the dead space, so I guess I've never noticed. Not sure I see the issue, but to each his or her own.
You know, if Apple doesn't add anything else to iWork in this version, I'd like it to be OpenDocument support. Now that MS is joining the OASIS group developing the standard, it would be nice if Apple did as well and help to naively support an interoperable document format that works on every platform, Linux included (of course, Apple would also have to work with OASIS to get support for the whole multiple-table-on-a-single-sheet model in Numbers supported, and then OpenOffice and other programs would need to implement support for displaying it this way).
But I know that's not very likely, at least as a native Save As option. I'd be kind of surprised if there wasn't an ODF exporter to export similarly to how we can currently export to MS Word, PDF, etc.
Working in an office where I need to interact with Windows users I realize that iWork XML cannot be the solution to XML-based standard formats. OOXML makes me shudder and I've convinced them that a switch to ODF is a good idea, but having just now tried MS Office on Mac vs. OpenOffice 3.0 beta on Mac, the performance difference alone might be enough to make me more friendly to OOXML. It's somewhere in between OpenOffice and iWork, but lets me cooperate with my Windows peers as well.
Okay, so I got a little off topic. So sue me.
But I know that's not very likely, at least as a native Save As option. I'd be kind of surprised if there wasn't an ODF exporter to export similarly to how we can currently export to MS Word, PDF, etc.
Working in an office where I need to interact with Windows users I realize that iWork XML cannot be the solution to XML-based standard formats. OOXML makes me shudder and I've convinced them that a switch to ODF is a good idea, but having just now tried MS Office on Mac vs. OpenOffice 3.0 beta on Mac, the performance difference alone might be enough to make me more friendly to OOXML. It's somewhere in between OpenOffice and iWork, but lets me cooperate with my Windows peers as well.
Okay, so I got a little off topic. So sue me.
Ahhh... but when you post what 'you want' on a public forum, then we all get weigh in with what we want, and then to post and debate the merits. Finally we take a vote, and the minority get ticked off, and go and form their own thread, creating a schism..... oh wait, this isn't that forum... never mind.
Numbers:
ERROR BARS
More flexibility with charts in general
Keynote:
Improved drawing features. The only things I miss from Powerpoint are the shapes and things like being able to anchor connectors.
ERROR BARS
More flexibility with charts in general
Keynote:
Improved drawing features. The only things I miss from Powerpoint are the shapes and things like being able to anchor connectors.
I love the iWork suite, but I'd love to see the following improvements in the next version:
1. Online webapp version (perhaps tied to mobileme). Google and Microsoft are already headed in this direction so I imagine it's only a matter of time.
2. Integration with Bento. Bento is a great program for simple databases, but I can't really do anything useful with the data once it's in there. I would love to use Numbers to dynamically represent data that is stored in Bento - such as making charts and calculations based on Bento databases.
3. PivotTables - This could be as simple as my #2 suggestion of linking Bento to Numbers, but there needs to be some way of entering data into Numbers or Bento only once and then building many different charts, tables and graphs from that data.
4. If Bento were to merge with iWork, I would like to store it on my iDisk or a central server so that I can collaborate on a database with other users.
I think iWork is off to a solid start, but I would love to see it really enter the Web 2.0 stage since it would seem that most office suites are already headed down that road.
1. Online webapp version (perhaps tied to mobileme). Google and Microsoft are already headed in this direction so I imagine it's only a matter of time.
2. Integration with Bento. Bento is a great program for simple databases, but I can't really do anything useful with the data once it's in there. I would love to use Numbers to dynamically represent data that is stored in Bento - such as making charts and calculations based on Bento databases.
3. PivotTables - This could be as simple as my #2 suggestion of linking Bento to Numbers, but there needs to be some way of entering data into Numbers or Bento only once and then building many different charts, tables and graphs from that data.
4. If Bento were to merge with iWork, I would like to store it on my iDisk or a central server so that I can collaborate on a database with other users.
I think iWork is off to a solid start, but I would love to see it really enter the Web 2.0 stage since it would seem that most office suites are already headed down that road.
There are only two main gripes i have with iWork right now (keep in mind i've only been using it for a month and a half so i'm sure more things will arise as i start to use it more).
1) Be able to ignore the "Review" message when i open documents. I have a few docs imported from Word that want to be reviewed everytime, it would be nice to have a "Don't show me this again" option.
2) Error bars in Numbers. This is actually a big one for me as i often need error bars on my graphs. This feature really prevents me from using Numbers full time, i still need an alternative for this single feature.
1) Be able to ignore the "Review" message when i open documents. I have a few docs imported from Word that want to be reviewed everytime, it would be nice to have a "Don't show me this again" option.
2) Error bars in Numbers. This is actually a big one for me as i often need error bars on my graphs. This feature really prevents me from using Numbers full time, i still need an alternative for this single feature.
Wishlist:
1) Support for OpenDocument/ODF. We moved to ODF a long time ago, before we started getting Macs, and well, NeoOffice kinda sucks. We'd much rather move to iWork, but the thousands upon thousands of ODT's makes it impractical.
2) File>Save the original file format. Its annoying opening a .Doc, making some changes, and clicking File>save produces a .pages.
1) Support for OpenDocument/ODF. We moved to ODF a long time ago, before we started getting Macs, and well, NeoOffice kinda sucks. We'd much rather move to iWork, but the thousands upon thousands of ODT's makes it impractical.
2) File>Save the original file format. Its annoying opening a .Doc, making some changes, and clicking File>save produces a .pages.
YES! This even happens to me with iWork files that I open on a different computer. So annoying!
I don't think it's possible to add a feature to save .doc files by default in Pages. The application has a native format, and it's .pages not .doc.
Of course it's possible. It's a three-step macro based on the current Pages functionality. The question is whether Apple will do it. My bet is on "no," because they don't want to get stuck supporting MS-Office formats. Everyone would just save in .doc format and would get angry when everything wasn't 100 percent compatible.
Well, that's one of the reasons why it's not possible as a practical matter. In effect this would require a change to Pages' native file format to a reverse-engineered version of the Microsoft format. This would produce only the impression of Word compatibility, not real 100% compatibility. I believe Apple has it right the way it's done now -- an export tells you that the format is being changed and something may be lost. I suppose a Save As... option would be fine too, but this wouldn't really save any steps.
Honestly, I think it's time for Word users to get over the idea that the .doc format is something magical or essential. For the times when sharing is required, the export is a small price to pay for what Pages delivers.
Not going to happen, I'm afraid. Even Apple is part of the problem, with their own proprietary format. They could have used .rtf, or a post-script based format, but they chose not to.
RTF is a useful format, but pretty meager, and I don't see how they could use Postscript since it's owned by Adobe (not to mention, just as proprietary as any other). I'm not troubled so much by proprietary formats as I am by the viewpoint that only one of them really matters.
I've found the Equation Editor in Office to be pretty poor, and produce iffy looking results. A much better option IMO is LaTEX equation editor that makes beautiful PDF outputs.
If anything, I would like iWork '09 to remember window position. Pages and Numbers always open offset to the left, even though I would like the windows centered.
Personally, I think the best thing Apple could do is adopt OpenXML (not to be confused with the not-so-open Open Office XML), which would ensure easy document sharing with OpenOffice on the Mac, Linux, and Windows computers. Wouldn't be the first time they'd done something similar, though they do seem slightly intrenched in their ways right now.
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No autosave is ridiculous. TextEdit has it for crying out loud. I agree that they should ship iWork free with new Macs. Can you imagine what that would do for their business? "Macs now come with a digital multimedia suite and full office suite".
Yes, the current version of iWork should be bundled with all new Mac, just like iLife. I can't imagine why Apple hasn't done this.
What are you talking about?!
OpenXML(aka .docx) is Microsoft's "open" format, and is already quasi-supported in iWork 08 (can open docx, but not save out to). OpenXML is not a very "open format" - the only "feature complete" implementation is by Microsoft (obviously). Meanwhile, ODF (what you call "Open Office XML"), is much more supported across various word processors (including online ones like GoogleDocs and Zoho).
an equation editor in Pages is a must.
- embed a table of contents in PDF files.
- better drawing options, including the ability to make a 'canvas' to draw in for when things have to be aligned oddly, but you want them to move with text.
- centre the page in the dead area
- better positioning of pie-chart labels for small things that are adjacent to each other. Right now they just overlap
- embed a table of contents in PDF files.
- better drawing options, including the ability to make a 'canvas' to draw in for when things have to be aligned oddly, but you want them to move with text.
- centre the page in the dead area
- better positioning of pie-chart labels for small things that are adjacent to each other. Right now they just overlap
I would imagine the Department of Justice (anti-trust policing -- or the Euro-equivalent) would come calling if new Macs came with all that.