iWork '11 to Launch Alongside Mac App Store in Early 2011?

I hope they still do the massive UK student discount- just £35 for iWork, half regular price. I'm struggling to see how they would do this through an app store.

So I hope there is a disk option. Plus for those people who buy the discounted family pack (although they could just buy a single license copy).

I wouldn't pay full price for both my girlfriend and I separately- a student discounted disk all the way!
 
Just waiting on iWork to arrive and then they go and bring out the next one! :rolleyes:I hope I'll be in line for a free update!
 
My guess is Apple never expected the uptake of iPads by Enterprise they are witnessing and decided to rework iWorks to take that into account. It's a shame for those of us drooling for the next iteration but in the long run we all will benefit I am sure.
 
ouimetnick said:
I like the box copies. I hope they offer it in a DVD too. I see how selling the apps separate will benefit some people though. I use all of the Apps, so I like the DVD. I also like a physical copy of the software, just incase.
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Remember you can always archive the downloaded install file.
 
scottsjack said:
I want no part of an app store. I like real software that comes on a hard copy. I'm not willing to play the itunes authorized computer game. Leave the concept of app stores to the iToy crowd. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like real computers and real boxed software.
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For me it's quite the opposite: I hate boxed software

- to get it you have to either order online and wait a couple of days or you have to get in the car drive, to a store and get it and get back home (sometimes empty handed because it was not in the store) --> wate of time.

- if I want software, I want it NOW -> that's why I always use download if possible

- DVD's can (will) turn bad over time (or you can get already DVDs in the box) -> no easy way to recover (You can complain if you just bought, but 1 year down the road you can only repurchase)

- Downloads I store on my drive, shared between machines, install where I need, when I need, when I want (no need to wait for anything)

- Easy way to backup downloads (or re-download for free)

- box DVD are producing tons of waste.

I just spend a weekend going through the insane stack of Floppies, Zip Drives, CDs and DVDs that have collected over the past 20 years ... many many garbage bags later I had some room again in my closet. 99% of those DVD's were touched once (maybe twice if I got a new computer) and than never ever again -> waste of resources, space (and time going through it) .... still was fun going down memory lane and to find e.g. a stack of Win3.1 Floppies :)
 
iStudentUK said:
I hope they still do the massive UK student discount- just £35 for iWork, half regular price. I'm struggling to see how they would do this through an app store.

So I hope there is a disk option. Plus for those people who buy the discounted family pack (although they could just buy a single license copy).

I wouldn't pay full price for both my girlfriend and I separately- a student discounted disk all the way!
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the iOS AppStore offers educational discounts - I never looked into it and don't know how good it is, I think it is for volume purchases:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...tional_discounts_for_app_store_purchases.html

I would assume they do the same thing for the MacStore ... yes it would require that you go through your University to get it - but that should be fine since you are there anyway every day, right?

But than, its < $20 per app - try to get bloated MS Word for that price (even with discount it is way more expensive)
 
macmofo said:
This is all speculation at this point. If they are offering the apps in iWork '11 separately for 20 bucks a pop I think we can see more of the same lameness we saw in the iLife '11 update.

I use the word update loosely since it was a pathetic bit of tweaking that they slapped together in a couple of weeks just to have something to turn in.

I wish I were more into iPhone's and Ipad's because that's were the magic is with Apple these days. Everything else is slowly getting less and less attention.

Can you imagine Apple just a few years ago releasing an update to iLife and leaving two programs untouched?

I am predicting in the future I'll be looking at the Apple website using my Windows 9 laptop that cost much less.

Can you imagine Jobs saying Firewire "just isn't catching on", like he did about usb 3.0. We used to see the latest and greatest on the Mac.

Now we're seeing a lock down of what we'll be able to get. Developers will move to Windows for the profit.

Feel free to flame away Apple fanboys. I was once one of you.
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Not going to flame you.

iWork 11 may not be lame. We don't know yet. I felt the same with Microsoft as you with your Apple experience. Jumping to another platform makes sense when you feel it isn't moving forward. Jobs probably didn't want to add USB 3.0 because another standard is just around the corner that is the best of eSATA, Firewire, USB, and even a display port. USB 3.0 just came too late to the party. I can see Microsoft starting from scratch at some point like Apple did with their OS. Overall, having an App Store was a good idea to launch the new iWork 11 apps.
 
App Store Questions

With the new app store will ALL updates be free or just ones within a given version? If I get iWork 11 will I then get iWork 13 free as an upgrade someday? Or will I just get free maintenance updates to iWork 11 that will cease when 13 is released?
 
0815 said:
the iOS AppStore offers educational discounts - I never looked into it and don't know how good it is, I think it is for volume purchases:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...tional_discounts_for_app_store_purchases.html

I would assume they do the same thing for the MacStore ... yes it would require that you go through your University to get it - but that should be fine since you are there anyway every day, right?

But than, its < $20 per app - try to get bloated MS Word for that price (even with discount it is way more expensive)
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I think it is just institutions only. The big redeeming feature of Apple's UK prices is their excellent higher education discounts. I know people who have been persuaded on the grounds of discounted Macs, free warranties and cheap software. I'd hate to lose that!

Found Mac Office 2011 for £38 (the same price as student discount iWork), plus you get to install on two machines (which I think actually matters with Office as there are activation keys).

http://www.software4students.co.uk/Microsoft_Office_for_Mac_2011-details.aspx

That's a great website for students, lots of very good deals.

EDIT- to be clear there can be lots of restrictions on institutional purchases. Depending on the agreement it can be limited to university machines or staff. The article says students as well, but I got some software for my mac free through university but you are supposed to delete it when you graduate. Guess I'll keep an eye on that though!
 
Boycott the Mac App Store folks. Stand up for developers and keep OS X open for whatever application YOU want to install.
 
pmjoe said:
Boycott the Mac App Store folks. Stand up for developers and keep OS X open for whatever application YOU want to install.
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The MacAppStore will not prevent you from installing software from anywhere else.

If you want support Developers (especially small/medium Developers) you should be in support of the Mac AppStore - it gives them a way to distribute their application and concentrate on what they are good at: Developing software - not taking care of payment and update systems.

I'm sure you will see many new small Developers coming out through the Mac AppStore delivering great stuff to you (well maybe not you since you boycott it - but at least to everyone else). It is a good thing to happen. Of course, you will also find dumb applications in there and people that don't like the idea of the Mac AppStore will be busy pointing that out without pointing the the new good stuff (and the worthless apps you can also find on the web).

So the end user will see many more applications, has a trusted source to get applications from (I sometimes didn't download applications from the web since I never heard of that developer before and those web downloads never went to any review and I'm also not trusting many people on the web with my credit card number) and the user can easily research user reviews that are (mostly) not fake (I never trust 'user reviews' on webpages that the creator of the application puts there - I don't know if they are real.
 
Not friendly to corporate / business use

Unless there is something I'm missing, an app-only download is not very easy to deploy in a business environment. I'm hoping a physical box purchase is available, too. Our purchasing agents would have a hard time setting up iTunes accounts for every employee and authorizing them to purchase against a corporate credit card at will.
 
timmodugdale said:
Unless there is something I'm missing, an app-only download is not very easy to deploy in a business environment. I'm hoping a physical box purchase is available, too. Our purchasing agents would have a hard time setting up iTunes accounts for every employee and authorizing them to purchase against a corporate credit card at will.
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The iPhone has business features to get around this. Hopefully the Mac app store will as well.
 
BruiserB said:
With the new app store will ALL updates be free or just ones within a given version? If I get iWork 11 will I then get iWork 13 free as an upgrade someday? Or will I just get free maintenance updates to iWork 11 that will cease when 13 is released?
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You'll get free updates for iWork 11. When the new iWork will be release they'll probably pull iWork 11 off the store and you'll have to buy - if you want it - the new iWork.

They might be giving a special price for whomever has iWork 11 to upgrade to the new iWork.

This is not know yet, but surely you won't be getting the new iWork for free as a normal update.
 
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jacg said:
zeemeerman2 said:
... No, seriously, what could iWork '11 have that the current generation of iWork doesn't have yet? ...
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All the apps: better drawing tools, autosave, ability to park toolbar items above the inspector, more intelligent pasting into tables, non-ugly location for styles, more line styles, some way of changing the default settings (for fills, line, shaddow, etc), easier editing of rotated text (ie not off the screen).

Keynote: Better interactivity so that it can be used with interactive whiteboards (live movement of objects on the display screen, widgets, physics, etc). And since IWB are just touch screens, deploy the same interactivity to local iPads. Or go in a different direction and improve the way Keynote can be used for digital signage. Steve's smokin' animation build. Tweening for object builds (magic move for builds).

Pages: More intelligent behaviour when changing zoom level (ie don't jump page), improved layout tools (increased zoom and position accuracy), make it easier to select objects (bring back precision from previous version?), make copying and pasting objects better (not revert to original size when object is a pdf)

Numbers: way to hide sidebar completely, copy and pasting of multiple styles, more of excel's functions.

Just a few I've thought of.
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Pages should just have improved referencing tools (i.e. footnotes), correct line-spacing (current one is bugged and leaves noticable gaps) and better performance for large documents. That's all I'm asking for.

I have to begin with my thesis very shortly, an update before January would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I just stick to Office for Mac.
 
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I have to begin with my thesis very shortly, an update before January would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I just stick to Office for Mac.
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You should look into Scrivener, it is a godsend for large papers. I just use Pages for smaller things.
 
jacg said:
Lots. See thread 'iphoto 11 sucks'. Worth reviewing if you are a frequent iphoto 09 user.
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I upgraded from '08 to '11. Do you have a link to the post you are referring to?

The only feature that I noticed that was missing was the ability to rename your Events from anywhere besides the Event view. That is really annoying but I'm wondering if it might be fixed soon.
 
timmodugdale said:
Unless there is something I'm missing, an app-only download is not very easy to deploy in a business environment. I'm hoping a physical box purchase is available, too. Our purchasing agents would have a hard time setting up iTunes accounts for every employee and authorizing them to purchase against a corporate credit card at will.
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How well do the current iPhone configuration tools suit what you want to do?

They seem to cover most if not all of what you want to do for iOS devices. I would expect Apple to update them and/or remote desktop and the server management tools to be updated to handle the new app store as well.

It would be great if part of the build to order options on a new Mac was to add a device profile and have the machine download any software attached to the profile to the machine before it ships.
 
COME ON!

We're now heading towards the 2nd quarter of 2011 and STILL no new iWork.

I'm still on iWork 08 and simply will not update until they release a new version but there's not even any talk of it.

Apple need to employ some more people or something. Anything so they can work on more than one project at a time.
 
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