This sentence alone is the proof that simply you do not know what you are talking about....
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Ok...Ok...you think that nVidia GPUs are only for games. Another one that does not know what is talking about...
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This sentence alone is the proof that simply you do not know what you are talking about....
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Ok...Ok...you think that nVidia GPUs are only for games. Another one that does not know what is talking about...
I absolutely love how you quoted a single phrase out of my post. How about replying to the rest?
Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they don't understand what they're talking about. Usually you provide some kind of rhetoric other than "Well you don't know squat" in order to strengthen an argument.
Nobody said nVidia were just for gaming for instance, CUDA is quite useful in applications which support it - not many Mac apps support it though so not much to gain here unless you're using Bootcamp. But then what's the point?
They need to make a MacBook actual Pro, a thicker, bigger mobile workstation. They have the iMac Pro so they already have the hardware there to do it, ZBook, ThinkPad P series etc. There were rumours of Xeon MBP's back in the 17" days but it never eventualised...
I guess they wouldn't sell enough to make it worthwhile.
Yep, that would be an interesting new product and I guess there are people who want it to happen. But it would be a completely new product for Apple, since they never build anything like it before? Is it worth it for them? Most likely no. These kind of computers are very niche and usually don't sell well.
Personally, I am conflicted about a "MacBook Pro Pro". On a plus side, it would generate positive publicity and shut up some of the circuits, even if Apple ends up losing money. On the minus side though, I am worried that such a laptop could let Apple to relax its demands on the current 15". What makes the 15" an excellent computer in my eyes is that its very compact and super portable, but still offers plenty of performance. If they were to downgrade it "because we now have a desktop replacement for those who want performance", I would be very disappointed.
15" MBP performance is crap for the price. As for portability, who cares. That's what the 13's are for
Certainly better than some of the competition at the same price
Surprisingly a lot of people do. The 13" won't cut it for my use. I buy Apple primarily because they have a very portable 15" with great performance.
Leman, you are a voice of reason in this section. Agree fully with you.
Ahhh damn and here I thought setting up an inexpensive hub with all my accessories already attached and only having to plug in one connector was pretty slick.
I’ve enjoyed the upgrade from the 2015 to the 2017. With a little adaptation I feel my productivity hasn’t suffered a bit.
Oh well too late to return it
I’ve enjoyed the upgrade from the 2015 to the 2017. With a little adaptation I feel my productivity hasn’t suffered a bit.
Oh well too late to return it
The way I see it Apple's main problems relating to the MBP line has been that they've let Ive and his design department run the show a tad too much with the way they ruined they keyboards and made the battery smaller in an effort to make the machines even thinner right along replacing the function keys with the pointless touch bar.
Seeing how sales wise the MBP line is in ruder health than ever before I'm not too sure they're going to be doing back on any of the changes they've made. Walking back on mistakes they've made simply isn't in their nature. The closest they get is fix botched designs like the iPhone 4 "antennagate" debacle.
I'd even go as far as to say that Apple's main weakness is that they're simply too proud, maybe even full of themselves, to be able to walk back on stupid product decisions. This may not have been much of an issue when they were run by someone like Steve Jobs who made these kinds of mistakes pretty rarely, but under the current management they either need to learn to be humble or replace much of the management.
Seeing how sales wise the MBP line is in ruder health than ever before I'm not too sure they're going to be doing back on any of the changes they've made. Walking back on mistakes they've made simply isn't in their nature. The closest they get is fix botched designs like the iPhone 4 "antennagate" debacle.
I'd even go as far as to say that Apple's main weakness is that they're simply too proud, maybe even full of themselves, to be able to walk back on stupid product decisions. This may not have been much of an issue when they were run by someone like Steve Jobs who made these kinds of mistakes pretty rarely, but under the current management they either need to learn to be humble or replace much of the management.
Agree the major problem is there is likely little market for a "heavyweight" as much as many of us here want and fewer actually need, there is little to no incentive for Apple to proceed outside of positive press and the kudos of doing so. Apple evidently dropped the 17" MBP as it wasn't selling in sufficient numbers, so I don't see a resurgence of a more expensive higher specified MBP anytime soon if ever. If done "properly" a higher specified MBP certainly wouldn't be a downgrade by an means, especially for those that can utilise the hardware.
I know that you don't get it, equally for many of us the latest MBP design is a significant downgrade, resultantly Apple has angered & disappointed a good number of it's core users as the obsession with being thinner is simply stripping away layers of usability and even impacting reliability.
Point your really missing is that if Apple did produce a beefed up MBP by reinventing the "PowerBook" line or the likes with generally higher specifications same as the iMac Pro you wouldn't be compelled to purchase the notebook continuing with the MBP as is, inversely many of us with needs that differ now have no other option than the current MBP and why Apple has screwed so many of it's professional users...
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I’m thinking the problem isn’t with the MBP but the mentality of some of our fellow members on here who can’t come to terms with the less ports / thinner design.
Ive and his team have been running the show since 1998 and are very much responsible for making Apple what it is. This is no slow down, nor accident in that continuing journey as far as me, and many other satisfied new MBP owners are concerned.
My opinion only, but the 2015 MacBook Pro's represent the epitome of good laptop design.
Light enough, functional, attractive, reliable.
That's why I bought a 2015 instead of a just-introduced 2016 last December.
Not a bit of trouble from it. No keyboard problems, no battery problems, and I can connect my older peripherals easily without a trip to dongle city.
I'm stickin' with it for a while!
Light enough, functional, attractive, reliable.
That's why I bought a 2015 instead of a just-introduced 2016 last December.
Not a bit of trouble from it. No keyboard problems, no battery problems, and I can connect my older peripherals easily without a trip to dongle city.
I'm stickin' with it for a while!
They were beautiful. But then again I think every MBP has been. I liked the addition of the HDMI port in 2012 when I first saw it, but to be honest i Prefer using Chromecast these days making the need for that port disappear (in my usage). I didn’t like how they moved the little MacBook Pro sign from the bezel to the bottom case though!
Always saw the Retina as a stunning machine (especially when I had a ThinkPad, used it beside my gf’s MBP Retina) But compared to my 2017? Forget it.
It only took Macworld a year plus, https://www.macworld.com/article/3234865/macs/three-macbook-mistakes.html
These were the exact reasons I opted for a 2015 MBP instead of getting the newest one. The only other reason I opted for a 2015 was the price.
So 3 out of 4, batting .750.
These were the exact reasons I opted for a 2015 MBP instead of getting the newest one. The only other reason I opted for a 2015 was the price.
So 3 out of 4, batting .750.
Another respected journalists unhappy:
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-macbook-pro-touch-problems-commentary/
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-macbook-pro-touch-problems-commentary/
Good article on the Touch Bar's problems. I'm surprised Apple didn't put some tactile feedback into it at least.
Meanwhile, we're still using an inefficient keyboard layout designed for typewriters in the 1890's. I don't see Phil complaining about that, because it's what we have memorized and know how to use effectively...
The same can easily be said for traditional function keys.
If it doesn't affect you, like as not you wont get it, however if it does it rapidly becomes an exercise in frustration. As others have stated even major international companies are not going to flip to USB C/TB-3 in the near to midterm as they have no need to. This leaves many of us stuck with dongles that frankly are not 100% reliable or compatible, let alone the keyboard fiasco.
When you rely on your hardware for a living it needs to be as compatible as reasonably possible, not place obstacles in your path, with Apple totally dropping the ball with many of it's professional users. At the end of the day there are other options, equally not in Apple's ecosystem, and now why so few professionals remain on the platform which is a shame given the potential once exhibited...
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That seemed like the classiest move ever to me. The only thing more impressive would have been seeing them completely get rid of the Apple on the back of the lid. Not sure why they backtracked on it but I can only assume that Marketing must have gotten cold feet.
But the point is that current MBP is the PowerBook! It uses exactly the same class hardware that PowerBook used back then. The only real difference is that back in the day GPUs were niche devices and fastest of them were barely using 30-40W of power. Putting something like ATI 9000 (fastest back then), with a desktop version having 28 Watt TDP, inside a laptop back in the 2002 is same technical skill as putting a Polaris 11 inside a laptop in 2016... Its true that GPUs have evolved a lot since then, but fastest of them have power requirements that makes them outside a reach of a light and thin workstation. And thats exactly what PowerBook and its successor, the MBP are and have always been — thin and light workstations. What you are talking about is not reinventing the PowerBook, its about making a completely new kind of computer, one that can take advantage of the modern evolved GPUs. And this is an entirely different topic.
That white-on-black text serves as a distraction from whatever is on the screen, its removal provided a consistent black-bezel that matches Apple's other products such as the iMac or iPad, and I don't need to be reminded I have a MacBook Pro with every single use. I thought it was a great decision and one that not only made sense, but also made all the pre-Retina models with the text look outdated immediately.
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Not something my eyes are constantly drawn to, but sometimes; it does depends on the person/situation and IMHO it's just better not to have the text there - even if you only take into account the desire for a clean look and how it matches Apple's other products like the iPad.
Semantics just a random name, wouldn't matter what Apple called it. You just wouldn't be locked in or out as a good many are now - moot as Apple is highly unlikely to produce such a notebook.
Sorry Apple has just become far too obsessed with thinner at the cost of everything else. My own 15" notebook is very far from being a system that is neither portable or overly heavy which is the bigger concern. Even the pre Retina MBP's were not what I would class as too bulky, heavy yes. Recently looked at a colleagues Dell 17" Precision portable workstation, very last thing in my mind was it being too thick. Would consider one myself, equally don't have sustained use case to dig so deep
tending to find a notebook with the right spec & parameters, sorting the SW to suit my needs, then swapping it out 24 months later.Q-6