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We all know that OJ Simpson saved Leno's ass. Many people thought Letterman is funnier than Leno thus should succeed Johnny Carson. And, Letterman was beating Leno every night until the whole OJ saga and dancing Judge Itos showed up. Oh yea, the Hugh Grant's interview helped as well. "What were you thinking?" was a pretty brilliant one liner.

I am not sure if Conan wants to move to FOX. FOX must be his last choice, but that seems to be the only choice now.

Leno has no class.
 
Leno has no class.

That's for sure. If Leno had any class, he'd retire and let Conan remain where he is.

It's partly NBC's fault for not just outright canning Leno, but it's also partly Leno's fault for not knowing when it's time to call it quits.
 
Ferguson is great, most of his comedy is of the cuff and not on cue cards.

It may not be on cue cards but most of it isn't off the cuff. He's a smart guy and that's part of his genius—it appears as if his stories and jokes aren't scripted.
 
It may not be on cue cards but most of it isn't off the cuff. He's a smart guy and that's part of his genius—it appears as if his stories and jokes aren't scripted.

I believe he has a rough outline of what he wants to say on the cue card and goes from there. He's definitely not reading off cue cards verbatim like other hosts.
 
That's for sure. If Leno had any class, he'd retire and let Conan remain where he is.

It's partly NBC's fault for not just outright canning Leno, but it's also partly Leno's fault for not knowing when it's time to call it quits.

Don't get me wrong but I like Leno. However, it was many years in the making to get him into primetime and he and NBC ****ed up. In only a fraction of the time it took them to get him there they realized how stupid it was. With less than 6 million viewers watching him there was no way he'd stay there. However, I agree that at this point he got up from his seat so Conan should get to stay. OTOH, whoever is making the most for NBC will probably stay.

Politics, it's a way for grown ups to throw sand in the faces of the little kids after they push them off the swing.
 
Solution . . . Leno should do the opening monologue and some of the stuff like the ignorant people on the street. And keep Kevin the guitar player. And Conan should do the interviews. (Please follow the instructions in my signature.)
 
That's for sure. If Leno had any class, he'd retire and let Conan remain where he is.

It's partly NBC's fault for not just outright canning Leno, but it's also partly Leno's fault for not knowing when it's time to call it quits.

Exactly- but Leno has never been known to be classy.
 
That's for sure. If Leno had any class, he'd retire and let Conan remain where he is.

It's partly NBC's fault for not just outright canning Leno, but it's also partly Leno's fault for not knowing when it's time to call it quits.

I still don't understand why people would think that Leno should have just quit. I'm not a fan of his, but let's look at the facts:

- he works hard and enjoys what he does. He still does dozens of stand-up gigs every year, and would often flying in and out of cities on weeknights after shooting the "Tonight Show". He doesn't have to do that, but he wants to.

- he still makes money for NBC and would make money for any other network that would hire him.

- he was forced out of the "Tonight Show" gig and worked as a lame duck for NBC for five years, making tens of millions of dollars for them all the while.


Again, why should he retire? Because you don't like him? Plenty of people out there do, enough that he still has his own show even though he was kicked out of his dream job.

I'm not trying to be a Leno apologist here. I just wonder what you would do in Leno's shoes. Would you think to yourself: "Even though millions of people still think I'm good at this, I make big money for my employer, and I enjoy what I do, I'll just stop doing all of it because another guy's fanboys don't like me." I don't think you would. I personally think that Dane Cook is about the unfunniest guy I've ever seen, but who am I to say that he should never make another movie or comedy special? There are multiple buttons on the remote control that can change the channel.

I really could care less where Conan or Leno end up or who's getting better ratings. And I really don't understand why so many people care who's on at what time. I find it far more interesting to watch a major broadcast network self-destruct at a time it can least afford turmoil.
 
There are plenty of creative ways for NBC to have it's cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, having Jay do "Tonight-lite" for a full hour at 10 wasn't one of them. And Conan is right, a "Tonight-lite" right before a 12:05 "Tonight" wouldn't work either.

I think Leno is family-friendly enough that they could put him on 1 or 2 nights a week at 8 for 30 minutes, playing to his stronger bits (hint NBC, interviewing isn't one of them): Headlines, Jaywalking, the Monologue, the occasional guest.

Then keep Conan at 11:30ish and, as they did with Leno, give his ratings time to mature in the slot.
 
Honestly, I could care less. I'm surprised this is the hot topic when, according the latest news...

"Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Haiti's earthquake" :(
 
Then keep Conan at 11:30ish and, as they did with Leno, give his ratings time to mature in the slot.

From a network point of view what’s the point in letting someone’s ratings “mature” when you’ve had the #1 show in late night for the past 13 years?

NBC is as complete mess right now. Their prime time in non-existant (30 Rock, Law and Order: SVU and The Office are their only hits). They’ve screwed up late night. The only other hit they have left is The Today Show.

They’re desperate and they see moving Jay Leno back to 11:30 as a saving grace for late night. Will it work? Probably.

Zucker overestimated Conan’s appeal at 11:30. For people like me who’ve watched Conan since the mid-1990’s, his new show is pretty lame. Where’s the masturbating bear? Triumph the dog? The Conan vs. Max skits?

A lot of that, which made Conan, has disappeared with the 11:30 time slot. Either let Conan be Conan or get him out of there.
 
From a network point of view what’s the point in letting someone’s ratings “mature” when you’ve had the #1 show in late night for the past 13 years?

NBC is as complete mess right now. Their prime time in non-existant (30 Rock, Law and Order: SVU and The Office are their only hits). They’ve screwed up late night. The only other hit they have left is The Today Show.

They’re desperate and they see moving Jay Leno back to 11:30 as a saving grace for late night. Will it work? Probably.

Zucker overestimated Conan’s appeal at 11:30. For people like me who’ve watched Conan since the mid-1990’s, his new show is pretty lame. Where’s the masturbating bear? Triumph the dog? The Conan vs. Max skits?

A lot of that, which made Conan, has disappeared with the 11:30 time slot. Either let Conan be Conan or get him out of there.

Agreed on all points. I want Conan back. The REAL Conan.
 
Honestly, I could care less. I'm surprised this is the hot topic when, according the latest news...

"Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Haiti's earthquake" :(

Can you point to those news about the hundreds of thousands?

BBC says its currently in the thousands which is not less sad, but to exaggerate like that...hmm.


EDIT: Okay I see it:
Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive told US network CNN he believed more than 100,000 people had died.

Sorry for derailing this thread. Whoever those two are.
 
Yeah I think Conan could be uninhibited on FOX. That would be funny.
His show last night was great. It was like he went back to being himself knowing he won't be on NBC much longer so he doesn't care. I bet we see the masturbating bear in a few weeks.
 

I'm still not so sure it will happen, but as I said earlier in this thread, the best thing for both Jay and Conan would be if they both gave NBC the finger and jumped ship to FOX.

FOX would probably be willing to take on production costs to develop the series if it was going to turn into an entire evening of late night programming, and NBC is scrambling as it is to find "talent" to fill their time slots.

I think it's really unlikely because FOX would be in the same situation as NBC - who'd go on at 11? Though maybe Jay would be willing to do a weekly series or something of that nature for FOX earlier in prime time and let Conan have the Letterman competitor.
 
Fox should offer Conan that 11pm slot they offered Leno. That would be a very interesting battle and network crushing deal perhaps.
 

That would be great!!

Knowing Zucker's programming skills, if both Leno and Conan walk (and they should), NBC will have webcam broadcasts from Carson's, Paar's and Tom Snyder's graves M-F at 8, 9, and 10 respectively and dead air from 11:35-12:30.

How long 'til we are treated to Triumph raping a peacock, shouting "Hey, look, I'm Jeff Zucker!!"
 
Whoever did the whole deal to let O'Brien have the show 5 years in advance was not thinking. I know the idea was to keep Conan around so he would not jump to another network, but Conan just doesn't work well at the earlier time. NBC should have done what they could to keep the Leno-O'Brien set up as long as they could. You do whatever it takes to keep the formula that is working. When Leno was actually ready to retire... probably in another 5-7 years then they could have had a smooth transition to a new host.

I think both of them might walk over this. NBC really messed up. Leno's Tonight Show had much better ratings then O'Brien's does and O'Brien had much better ratings then Fallon does.

My guess is NBC would be best off to give the Tonight Show back to Jay and let Conan walk because if Jay walks and goes to ABC or FOX Conan will never compete against him. On the other hand, Conan is about 15 years younger so making an investment in him might pay off in the long term.

I will say that I liked the Tonight Show better with Leno and I liked Conan better when he was on Late Night. Each was a better fit before the shake up. I enjoy watching Jay even if he is not always funny. He is a comforting and familiar voice before I go to bed. Something about Conan has always felt "cold" to me. He just does not have a warm personality and I get so sick and tired of him whipping that ridiculous hair around!
 
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