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I got tired of un-trained cashiers having to call their manager over to ask what to do when someone pays with their phone. THAT took way, way longer.

I quickly learned to only use Apple Pay on vending machines.

It’s been awhile. Yeah, probably it works better now. But, you know, when something is such a big inconvenience at first it really turns you off for quite some time. I just haven’t been willing to give it a second chance yet.

It doesn't surprise me that different people's experiences have differed significantly. But I've been using Apple Pay for about as long as it's been available, and I've never experienced anything like that.

When I go to pay for things, a store either has contactless payment available or it doesn't. If it does, I use it. I never have to say anything to a cashier to use it. And it's, in my experience, been very easy to use. I move my iPhone toward the reader as I'm pressing the buttons (or, previously, laying my finger on the TouchID) and as soon as it gets close I hear a bing and I'm done. I've used my Apple Watch a few times, but I typically have my iPhone in my hand or my pocket so it's been - for me - easier than using my Apple Watch.
 
This is a bit confusing because I have been using Apple Pay way before random mom/pop shops and misc stores “offered support for Apple Pay”, they had NFC tap pay machines to begin with... if it works with a credit card chip it works with the phone. So, did JCP remove all NFC readers? Or willfully detects the payment comes from iOS and blocks it?

When will this stop? Fine, don’t support “Apple Pay”, just leave your damn machines reading tap as usual and all will be ok.
 
In reading many of these replies, it sounds like contactless payment is or at least has been less widely accepted/supported in the US. Is that true?
It has been adopted to a good degree but still varies, with some large chains still not accepting contactless. Waited-table restaurants also generally are still in the old form of taking your physical card away out of sight unlike my experiences in Canadian restaurants in Toronto when I was there a few years back.

That said, a lot of places do take contactless these days, both large chains and small independent shops. Especially the independent shops that buy the newer small POS systems that include NFC/AP.

Another big gap remains pay-at-the-pump gas stations. I have seen some contactless starting to be deployed, but it remains rare.
 
I really don’t agree with that — at least not in the US. My experience in the US is the retailers simply don’t care about NFC/Apple Pay because virtually no consumers are asking for it and even those who prefer it aren’t taking enough of their business elsewhere (or there are no Apple Pay-supporting competitors) to warrant spending the money to support it.

I’ve stood in line at several local grocers, Panera, and Walgreens; all of whom support NFC, week-after-week, and watched people in line with an iPhone in hand reach into their purse or wallet to pull out their plastic card to complete the transaction. Americans are uninformed about the better security in NFC (many falsely believe that the "wireless"/contactless element actually makes it less secure) or are indifferent. Then again...I still see people who swipe first at an EMV-capable terminal...

Fully agree - I live in the outskirts of a large city in the Midwest, so things sometimes reach here much later than the rest of the US, but I'd say that 75-80% of my transactions are with various cards in Apple Pay. That remaining percent is a bit of utility bills, the random restaurant that takes the card and uses swipe/chip, or the occasional Sam's Club visit. Kroger and Walmart didn't really do it for me before all of this, and so the retailers I typically visit anyway have NFC enabled (Target, Meijer, Aldi, Trader Joe's) and I hope that they're able to collect some kind of data that contactless payments are being used to keep them available.

I also agree with the idea of not many people not using it or bothering to set it up because of the fear of anything contactless. I've heard numerous times that boogeyman is going to come and skim your number or that that it would somehow make a card more likely to be fraudulently used if there's a virtualized one on their device (nevermind swiping at that random gas pump or ATM). I think it was about ten years ago that the early contactless cards started appearing here and didn't take off because of similar fears (granted those were the less-secure RFID ones), but I think the push of various stakeholders in the payment industry to get contactless cards going (a conversion of many cards and uptick in advertising contactless from Chase, Visa, Capital One, American Express, etc.) might help.

Despite many on this thread thinking that Apple Pay requires something special between Apple and the merchant (it doesn't) or that a merchant is charged more for Apple Pay (they aren't and from their end, the card is typically just seen as a Visa/MC/Amex/Discover with a different number and contactless listed as the interface), the motivations tend to be more around merchants wanting you to use their app or their own proprietary payment system, potentially cutting out the credit card networks. Although most Kroger stores (and the various subsidiaries) seem to use Verifone mx915 terminals (same as Meijer and Aldi, and the small version of what Target, Trader Joe's, etc. use) and Walmarts typically use Ingenico isc250s (the smaller version of what Best Buy uses), which have NFC enabled out of the box, they disable it. I think the intent is that if you're going to pay with your phone, you should use their app instead either to encourage pulling from your debit card/checking account or to at least allow data collection.

I think it will continue to be a tug-of-war between the retailers, the payment industry, and consumers. The fortunate thing is that contactless cards, Apple Pay, Android Pay, etc. all use the same technology so it's an all-or-nothing thing. In the past four years or so, I've seen more places supporting it and having employees that are aware of it, so I think the general trend is positive.
 
This is a bit confusing because I have been using Apple Pay way before random mom/pop shops and misc stores “offered support for Apple Pay”, they had NFC tap pay machines to begin with... if it works with a credit card chip it works with the phone. So, did JCP remove all NFC readers? Or willfully detects the payment comes from iOS and blocks it?

When will this stop? Fine, don’t support “Apple Pay”, just leave your damn machines reading tap as usual and all will be ok.
I think they have to refuse all NFC payments. That's what CVS had to do when they decided not to accept Apple Pay (which they do now, BTW).
 
Because, ‘merica.

This sort of nonsense doens’t happen in Australia because we’ve been using contactless (PayPass & PayWave) for almost a decade, and Apple Pay is simply a (better) version of this, which works on all the same terminals - from big stores to farmers’ markets. I haven’t used cash here for over two years since I’ve had the Apple Watch with Apple Pay.

The situation in the USA is a bit of a mess. Last time I was there I used Apple Pay where I could, but many places required me to *sign* for a purchase - my card didn’t even have a signature on it (shows how often I use it), so I had to sign it first! :D


Last year, the signature requirement was dropped here in America. Maybe someday we will catch up to Australia. :)
 
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Im amazed at how many of you sheep would rather see JC Penny go out of business then say, use cash or just swipe a physical card..... All over a stupid form of payment that benefits YOU in no way at all! Chip cards are just as secure and cash doens't need to be secure because its cash! This guy who tweeted is straight up retard.... and after reading some of these comments, im starting to question this community. o_O -snip-.
Although I'd say that your heart is in the right place, the situation with JC Penny, and Sears, Circuit City, Toys-R-Us, and on and on have nothing to do with Apple and Apple Pay and everything to do with changing times and progress. Yes, it sucks that main street USA has been decimated by Box Stores (Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes) and even more brick and mortars by online retailers (Amazon, eBay, et al.). But times change and people adapt. You know, there were a lot of buggy carriage and whip manufacturers that were put out on the street when Ford mass produced the Model A. Yet life went on an a whole new industry was born. An industry which, ironically, is also feeling the pinch of progress as new generations seem less interested in their wares (looking at you, Harley Davidson, which I personally ride).
Just to add, I know some of these small towns downtown area that had their appliance and clothes stores stores put out of business closed are now being reborn as specialty store and brew pub town centers. So things are evolving in a good way for some areas, at least.
 
This is a bit confusing because I have been using Apple Pay way before random mom/pop shops and misc stores “offered support for Apple Pay”, they had NFC tap pay machines to begin with... if it works with a credit card chip it works with the phone. So, did JCP remove all NFC readers? Or willfully detects the payment comes from iOS and blocks it?

I suspect JCP turned off NFC on their terminals. Outside of some poorly-configured terminals that might only work in magstripe emulation mode or something else weird where some card types will work in contactless, it's kind of hard to restrict by platform. Until someone tries a non-Apple device or a contactless card and reports back, it's probably just because Apple Pay seems to be the most "known" digital wallet service.
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Another big gap remains pay-at-the-pump gas stations. I have seen some contactless starting to be deployed, but it remains rare.

I'm seeing these more and more because the liability shift for gas stations was on a different timeline than other retailers. Fortunately, I have a handful of NFC-enabled pumps around me that work, but there's a lot that have been installed and either immediately decline (typically Shell stations) or aren't turned on (Speedway, a couple of BPs).
 
Ah... brainwashed fanboysim is really showing here.. there is NO REASON whatsoever that entitles Apple to collect commission in this particular scenario. Of course, don't mention Apple greed.. lets talk about how crappy JCP is.
Apple Pay isn’t any more expensive to the merchant.

When I pay at the supermarket with Apple Pay, the supermarket gets the exact same amount of money if I paid with a plastic MasterCard instead.
 
About two months ago Apple Pay stopped working for me at the local Vons and Albertsons (owner of Vons) grocery stores. I was told that a software update to the terminals broke Apple Pay. After a couple of months waiting for a fix, I finally called Vons and was told that they had removed Apple Pay and there was no schedule for reintroducing it.
 
This really isn't true for two reasons: Many transactions are not point-of-sale so "chip and pin" isn't applicable and US banks have become very sophisticated in shutting down fraudulent transactions anyway. In fact, I read somewhere that "chip and pin" doesn't make any real change in fraudulent transaction rates on point-of-sale purchases (in the US).

"In the US" - exactly my point. It's widely known that US banks are dragging their feet. It is far easier to clone that magnetic strip than to copy the chip and pin.

In Canada, for many of my purchases, I can go to online banking and see the transaction has already taken place.
 
I'm seeing these more and more because the liability shift for gas stations was on a different timeline than other retailers. Fortunately, I have a handful of NFC-enabled pumps around me that work, but there's a lot that have been installed and either immediately decline (typically Shell stations) or aren't turned on (Speedway, a couple of BPs).

Yep - the different timeline for liability-shift is at the heart of it.

Really hasn't been a big deal for me though since the bulk of my gasoline purchases are either at Sams or Costco where I already have to pull out the respective membership/credit card, or QuikTrip where I usually have a prepaid card since Public frequently has a $10-off-$50-gas-card promotion.
 
To all of you here hating on JCPenney:

Where do YOU buy your clothes? I buy most of my clothes, especially work clothes, at JCP. They're reasonably priced and have a store near me. Other stores like Macys and Bloomingdales are significantly overpriced for what you get.

I'm annoyed that they're not accepting Apple Pay, but that's not enough to make me shop somewhere else. Seems rather trivial in the grand scheme of things. I'm just curious where most folks shop for clothes given all the "good riddance" and "I hope they go under" think in this thread.
 
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"In the US" - exactly my point. It's widely known that US banks are dragging their feet. It is far easier to clone that magnetic strip than to copy the chip and pin.

In Canada, for many of my purchases, I can go to online banking and see the transaction has already taken place.
How are US banks dragging their feet? Every card has a chip now. Terminals capable of reading the chip (which are most of them) require the chip to be used instead of swiping the card.
 
"In the US" - exactly my point. It's widely known that US banks are dragging their feet. It is far easier to clone that magnetic strip than to copy the chip and pin.
Umm... virtually all credit cards in the US are chip&sign these days. Chip&PIN would be nicer, but either way it is extremely rare to actually swipe a card these days.

In Canada, for many of my purchases, I can go to online banking and see the transaction has already taken place.
No different here.

Believe it or not, we aren't still using these...

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To all of you here hating on JCPenney:

Where do YOU buy your clothes? I buy most of my clothes, especially work clothes, at JCP.

Kohls and Belk for the most part. BassPro/Cabelas, Academy, and REI (clearance racks or outlet) for the outdoor/activity stuff.

Haven't been to a JCP in many years.
 
This move probably has something to do with their imminent demise. JCP is at an all time low and will follow Sears into the sunset.
 
How are US banks dragging their feet?

How long did it take ? Europe and Canada had chip and pin, Contactless payments *years* prior to the US. That is "foot dragging".

Apple Pay was virtually available everywhere from Day One in Canada ( and probably Europe ) after banks starting supporting it.
 
There’s been a couple of companies that have taken away Apple Pay near me that have stopped excepting Apple Pay. One said that the fee was raised and they didn’t want to pay it. Both were local food places
 
To all of you here hating on JCPenney:

Where do YOU buy your clothes? I buy most of my clothes, especially work clothes, at JCP.

Kohls and Belk for the most part. BassPro/Cabelas, Academy, and REI (clearance racks or outlet) for the outdoor/activity stuff.

Haven't been to a JCP in many years.

Kohls for sure... And I haven't been in a JCP in years... except one time when it was raining and I cut through the store to get to the main part of my local mall.
 
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