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I disagree. Many of those uses cases you named are used by serious computer users, just not graphic designers or film makers. Can it run CS? No, but it could run Acorn or Pixelmator. Can it run Final Cut? No, but it could run iMovie or other iLife apps.

Right now Apple can already throw in a dual core ARM processor running at 1.2GHZ. Five years from it would be far more powerful. I view the tablet as possibly an eventual laptop replacement. This is the reason why I don't want it solely tied to the App Store. It could signal the beginning of the end of open computing at Apple.

As to your earlier post, they'd have to think I'm insane if I'll pay $60/month for 3G. If it is offered I would hope it is at a drastically reduced price.

I'd prefer verizon - then at least i can do their "daypasses" (though they just changed those. It used to be $15 for unlimited for a day, now it's $15 for 50MB for a day, $30 for 250MB or a week [whichever comes first], and $50 for a month and some small cap which I can't remember). The advantage is this way I can bill straight through to my clients, and, frankly, most of the time I can rely on wi-fi so I won't need the 3G very often.
 
My guesses

Possible evolutionary inputs
Obvious - Speech / Gesture

Less Obvious - Gesture in Space (apple has some patents in this area)
Pen input from anywhere, not just the screen (imagine the stylus working like the Livescribe only without the funky paper. That would actually be useful.
 
I predict 2 months after release they will release a new "tablet pro" and phase out the original tablets.
 
Many customers will be pleased if the iTablet allows you to use bluetooth keyboards and the Apple Magic Mouse when you're not on the go, just so you don't have to hunch over the screen, or hold it in your hand when using it.
 
Another possiblity is multi-touch pressure sensitivity. There was a company last year who came up with a multi-touch resistive screen that was so sensitive, you could use a small paintbrush and it would track each bristle.

Reeeeeeaaalllly. I would love to have a link to that tech. sounds pretty bad-a.

I am sure there are plenty of people that would love to use this as a Wacom tablet.

Count me in.
 
Two screens, hinged

Two screens, hinged, one with tactile feedback that can be oriented anywhere, left-side, right-side, below like a keyboard or flipped all the way around for reverse side input with visual and tactile feedback. This is the only design that a answers all the questions for use as a netbook with keyboard, a media player with stand, a touch screen game system, an ereader with lots of screen space and a tablet with surprising interaction.
 
People say they wont like this because its not osx or because it uses iPhone OS, whats coming they have not seen yet.

It may be iPhone OS but it may have evolved into something so much cooler for a 7 - 10 device.

every now and then apple surprise us when I first seen the iPhone and its OS after using WM phones for years it was such a joy to use.

maybe apple can do this again with the Tablet?
 
At $202 a share?
It's now $209 a share :p and besides, $202 a share will seem low when Apple rises to $250 a share! ;)
Consumer: "How can it do that ???" :eek::eek::eek:

Steve Jobs "It just knows what you are thinking. Don't ask. It's patented technology that we can't share."

SJ whispering "and it uploads your every thought to the Apple servers"

Consumer "What?"

SJ: "You heard that?"

Consumer "No, that's why I'm asking."

SJ: "oh, nothing important."
Google would like that...
 
Way back in the early 1980s the front cover of MacWorld showed a group of Mac Prototypes that never made it to market. There was one on the left in the photo that looked like a tablet sitting on a short easel. I thought to myself at the time, "Dang, that would be so useful if one could merely grab the computer off the easel/charger and go to a meeting leaving the physical keyboard and mouse behind."

It would even be better in a conference room where the tablet portion would only be propped up at a low angle for typing or referencing. Currently, looking at the backsides of two rows of vertically-positioned laptop screens on a conference table, is almost like being at a virtual meeting except everyone is present.

Personally, I'd bet Apple would have had this product out last year if only they could settle whether it should have firewire I/O or not. :rolleyes:
 
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Even though I have to type this response on an iPhone, I feel it is neccesary considering the sheer stupidity on display in this thread.

So I apologize for the lack of quotes, maybe occasional typo, but this just needs to be done.

I read through every single page of comments on this thread and I am perplexed by how people can justify throwing out their theories about the potential and uses for an Apple tablet, snooding off with a claim about how they don't see this appealing to a large market, or that they can't see themselves buying one because it doesn't add functionality to their existing roster of hardware.

"it would only satisfy niche consumers/ I can't think of anything I could use this for." Oh, seriously? Is that what you think? Congratulations; you are a moron.

Fortunately that nearsightedness doesn't translate into a diminished value to this upcoming device. Why is it that people who make those types of comments act like their illbegotten conclusion about the viability of an unreleased product is throwing a wrench into Apple's spokes? Like Apple is reading this thread and saying "Oh ****! We made a huge mistake!" How pompous.


Let's be totally clear here by reiterating the more educated comments that have made it into this discussion along with a little of my own insight.

I think it's safe to say The Mac tablet, according to the soundest logic and what we already know about Apple's intentions, will most likely run a modified version of the iPhone OS, and they've probably built the iPhone OS in anticipation of this device from the beginning. However I agree that it may implement a full cocoa touch platform, making it somewhere between OS X and iPhone OS.

There's no possible way that a 7-10 inch tablet is going to run a full fledged Snow Leopard. Can you imagine trying to move windows around or tap the tiny spotlight icon tucked away in the corner using touch control? No.

Producing anything close to the experience you recieve on an actual Laptop would be cannibalisitic for Apple. If this device is priced at a sub $999 pricepoint with decent enough internal hardware running Snow Leopard, the sheer fact alone that it is a touch screen would hypothetically cut into what I estimate to be 50 percent of the market for the Macbook and possibly even the MBP, because let's face it: there is a huge group of people out there who are buying laptops that far exceed the level of performance which that group realistically requires. A lot of the time they are just getting a laptop because they have the opportunity/ money ie going to college or maybe a birthday. It's this same group of people who probably don't own a video camera and have no real interest in iMovie, have no ambitions to use GarageBand to record music, and are part of a trend where the use of personal digital cameras, or at least carrying them on you, is steadily declining as their phone's camera capabilities are enhanced. The truth is that the vast majority of college students and (here's the hook:) netbook users only use their computers for browsing the web, updating twitter and facebook, and catalogueing/ listening to music, and then maybe to type the occasional paper or blog entry. Now this next part is important...

It is in that way that Apple has already made it's replacement for the netbook. It's called the iPhone. It browses the net and can input text, the two main functions of a netbook. Except it does it better. Here's a comparison to demonstrate:

-Can access the web with a real browser

Netbook: yes
iPhone: yes

-Can download music and other media from iTunes

Netbook: yes
IPhone: yes

-features a keyboard you can actually use

Netbook: nope. (their keyboards are getting even smaller and more cramped! If you've ever tried to type on one of these you know it's a pain in the ass)
iPhone: yes (the fact that it's a virtual keyboard is what makes it work. You are aiming for a soft target that is flexible and has software powered intelligence.)

I'd like to insert a side note here. TACTILE FEEDBACK IN REGARDS TO SMARTPHONES IS COMPLETELY OVERRATED. Nobody using a blackberry keyboard can beat an iPhone user in typing speed unless they are on 100mg of Ritalin and are blessed with elfin hands. Having to click something requires an extra thought and it really only slows you down/reduces the ease. As I type this I don't even really have to think about it. I can't imagine typing this long of a post on any other phone.

Also you may think to yourself "this comparison isn't fair, because you are never gonna write something as long as a paper on this tablet". Well, you will if we find a way to connect a Bluetooth keyboard...

Let's resume

-has access to an ever-growing library of apps specifically tailored for the device that add situation specific functionality and endless entertainment, and which are vigorously tested and garaunteed to work on that device and not to mention virtually free of any risk of accidentally downloading a virus instead

Netbook: **** no
iPhone: Hell yes

-Accelerometer

Netbook: nada
iPhone: yes sir

Videoconferencing?

Netbook: ehhh kinda, sometimes, definitely not an experience as simple and robust as iChat
iPhone: no. But maybe on the mac tablet?

-portability (and for that matter, functionality) of a cell phone

Netbook: nah
iPhone: yuh huh

So In my opinion, the iPhone already has these chumps beat. And when you throw in the iPod touch, it's just obvious that there is no room in this market for mini wannabe laptops with unusable keyboards that are designed and manufactured with a fraction of the care that Apple's products are.

That's why it makes complete sense that the tablet would just expand on the iPhone's capabilities utilizing a similar yet more powerful operating system rather than tool OS X to work with a touch screen (despite the fact that we've heard rumor about that exactly, but we would imagine that it couldn't possibly look or work exactly like the desktop version) because it's already been demonstrated- with the windows xp tablets or that HP touch screen, both of which no one bought- that an arrangement like that would have a slim chance of succeeding whilst competing directly with existing products from the same company.

For everyone that embarrassed themselves by claiming this new tablet would be useless, let me lay this phatness on you:

There is a product for DJs and electronic musicians called the jazzmutant Lemur, which is basically a 2000 dollar touch screen with a less than amazing display that shows different knobs and sliders and such which are linked through midi signals to music software, you get the picture. Look it up on YouTube, the group The Glitch Mob uses them prominently.

Let me repeat, i believe it costs 2000 dollars.

Now...
There's an app for iPhone, it's called touchOSC, and it provides realtime parameter controls for music software such as Ableton Live just like the Lemur, and it basically mimics the exact look and functionality of it too.

Imagine what happens when they port that app to the new tablet... I end up spending less than half the money on near identical copy of one of the coolest DJ controllers around, PLUS a better screen.

That right there should be enough to silence the haters.

Btw, all of this nonsense about fantastical technology somehow traveling back in time from four years into the future for an Apple product is really getting on my nerves. Facial recognition, gesture tracking, thousands of cameras behind the screen? Give me a ****ing break. A patent doesn't always mean imminent product.

You think just because Microsoft is jumping the gun by hyping up Natal way ahead of any forseeable application, that means we are going to see that kind of technology in mass marketed device that is being announced in one month?

Did you guys forget what VAPORWARE is? (remember Origami for instance? Or that bathtub/touchscreen table thing?) Microsoft purposefully preemptively bought up the technology behind Natal from a start up and threw a big publicity campaign behind it to bring all of the much needed attention to them and make it seem as if they are ahead of the curve so that investors and the general public opinion would just put all of their chips in microsoft's pot because nobody can compete with that mammoth of a company (except for Apple of course) which in turn bankrupts companies working on similar tech even though microsoft's version is nowhere near an actual product launch and is in a less than beta development status. That tech doesn't even work in low light! At some point microsoft will either deliver the product, or a cheapened, barely passable version of what they were promising, or just terminate the project, basically poisoning the market for that technology for no good reason when someone else could have done a better job if Microsoft didn't bully them out of business. Imagine asking an investor to buy into your project only to have them say to you "Nah, sorry  Microsoft is already working on a copycat of this stuff, you'll never make it past 1,000 units." Essentially what MS is doing is taking out insurance on a technology that may or may not come to commercial fruition so that when it finally is ready, they have no competitors there, or if they don't end up releasing the product they have it still ready in case a smaller company wants to step up to the plate with it's own solution, bravely disregarding that Microsoft is poised and ready to crush their dreams at any moment.

So no, I don't predict any input tech on this tablet beyond multi-touch, perhaps on the backside as well. But I would really like to see that iMac type docking station we heard about a Long time ago, someone just posted the link a few posts back.

We all know that there will be two versions at least, one subsidized through a carrier contract and one with no 3g, both with wifi "n" protocol, one screen size only, multiple capacities...

But a real shocker would be the inclusion of an SD slot and a front facing iSight. But I'm daydreaming. These are definitely more likely now though than they would have seemed a year ago, if Apple wants to position this as part iPhone part small laptop.

This has gone on way too long. My point is, no one in this forum should be doubting whether Steve has a sound plan for this device and a very precise manifesto on how and for what it will be used and a long roadmap for the device's future. If you don't believe they stand to break in to a  totally new market that transcends netbooks and laptops and make tons of money, then you might be in denial.

That's all I'm saying.

Sent from my jPhone, through an invisible binary maze in the nearosphere.

•Nåmäštę•
 
I predict 2 months after release they will release a new "tablet pro" and phase out the original tablets.

+1 to that....and I'll predict that they'll introduce it at $1000 and expect to sell 100,000 units the first weekend, while they'll actually sell 250,000 units and make so much profit that they'll be able to lower the price to $925, at which point all the whiners who camped out in the street for three days fighting for a place in line to best position their fanboy trebuchets to launch cash at Steve will start calling for revolution and demand refunds.

S
 
Really? That sucks.

We printed out a giant "42" and hung it on the ceiling above our cubicles to remind management how pissed off we were.

Eventually they re-priced them down to around 10, but we had to hand in 4 for every 1 we got at 10. (Can't remember the exact exchange rate).
 
Most of my stock options were priced at $42 :-(
I was close to buying a few grand of AMD stock when it was $1.96. I never did. I mentioned to to my mother last week and she reminded me yet again that she'll foot the money for a worthwhile investment.

I could have bought $20,000 in AMD stock when it was under $2. :(
 
Even though I have to type this response on an iPhone, I feel it is neccesary considering the sheer stupidity on display in this thread.

So I apologize for the lack of quotes, maybe occasional typo, but this just needs to be done.

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Wow.. near 2000 word long diatribe typed on an iPhone.. but you still failed to articulate what exactly that killer app for the mystical Apple tablet is. If some niche DJ music app is your best example - then the tablet is doomed.

So let's try again.. between my iPhone and MacBook Air.. why exactly do I need to drop $800 on another device? And this time you don't need to write "War and Peace" to answer that ;)
 
weslobomb has it about right. The market is waiting for the right device, and Apple has the right people to get the right device in there. The tablets up to now have been basic and rather unimaginative. Apple will most likely change that.

The biggest sector of the market are the muggles, who buy the high-end machine because the salesman convinces them they have to have that, and end up with 5 vacant PCI slots, three empty drive bays and six empty RAM slots in a box that is 4 times too big for them. These are the ultimate target for the tablet. No longer tied to a table, or even a chair (face it, you can use a tablet standing up, not a notebook), the computer becomes all the device they need for web and mail - most of what people do.

Meanwhile, the serious users can set up a Time Capsule and/or a mini and use the tablet as alternate display and input for the real system, putting down thoughts on the spur of the moment, while away from the desk, or checking the status of whatever. Although the tablet will run iPhone OS 4, you will be able to download iPhinder so that you can get right into the real computer - perhaps even use app-sharing.

To hit both sides of this market niche, the price will have to start around $400.us (for the lame-ass model) and the feature set will have to be impressive.

The hyper-3D display seems like a realistic possibility.

Gaze-tracking is another possibility - this is venerable technology that has been used with quadriplegics for a very long time and may even have expired patents.

Wireless charging? That would be very nice, though I am not sure how far along that technology is.

This will shock you: there will be one port in the tablet, for headphones only, if even that - everything else will be handled by wireless hubs (another reason the price will be shockingly low - lots of cool or necessary accessories). A SD slot would be lovely, but I would not hold my breath.

Apple plodded along in the mp3 market for at least eight months before the dock-style iPod basically blew everyone else out of the water. This thing will probably start slowly before giving Apple a massive slice of the entire computer market. The first model will be the 10" one, the 7" will probably not show up until September, then sometime later, if the showing is really good, we might see even bigger models. Hopefully the development environment will loosen up a little, but probably not for a year yet.
 
but you still failed to articulate what exactly that killer app for the mystical Apple tablet is

iPhoto. No, not the same version you know, maybe it will be "Pictures", as part of an iWork suite.

So what? This: if the tablet has the hyper 3D display, "Pictures" will interpolate depth and give you images you can see from the sides.

Ever see the movie Blade Runner?
 
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