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On my phone, it's not just the bottom left...

When I hold the phone in my left hand in the normal manner, with the bottom left corner in my palm, signal strength drop from 5 bars to 1.

When I hold the phone in my right hand, with the bottom right corner in my palm, signal strength drops from 5 bars to 3.

When I hold the phone in 2 fingers, one on each side in the middle, signal strength drops from 5 bars to 4.

Yikes! I'm guessing Aliph and other BT headset manufacturers are quite happy to hear this, as they're about to sell a load more than they already would this time of year. Shoulda bought stock.
 
*buzzer* wrong. it adds something. even if it's to the "other" width. And hides that pretty chrome bezel. That was one of the things many people liked when the prototype first leaked. Made it look sleek.

Are the dimensions of the screen not the same? Yes, the bumper adds "width" which is why I said it would seem to make it more comfortable in your hand. But the "thickness" should be the same with or without the bumper.
 
What the hell does any of that have to do with this?



Thanks for the anecdote. I can afford to damage or scratch my phone, now what?



Being naive is not understanding the point.



Pointless bashing.



Patronizing.

All I got from your post was "just buy a case and shutup." That's not how it works bud. I shouldn't have to spend more money to make my phone work the way it's supposed to.

I won't disagree with you. I regret bashing Windows. But annoying is annoying. Linux, is annoying. Mac OS X is annoying. Lot's of annoying things. I was trying to be funny.

I admire that you can afford to damage your phone. There is a bigger picture here. For me I am trying to be thrifty with this specific device. (oxymoron I can see, but true) As a result, a pound of prevention..., as the saying goes.

I apologies for offending. Intent misplaced.

Here I will understand the point. Design and advertising are two separate things. We were all shown a way to use the phone which turns out to be useless or wrong. Was the phone designed to be used this way? One would think (99%), but I truly don't know (1%). Is there false advertising here? Hard to say. Maybe everyone believed it would work or if they had prior knowledge of failure, they would have some simple fix. (subjection)

Class actions suit is very common in a situation like this. It will result in some kind of refund, free bumper, or any other host of things. It will not change the design.

I have decided it's not worth the worry. My solution, my intent of use makes the whole situation moot for me. Aesthetics aside. I don't consider the design problem a show stopper. There is no safety issue I am aware of.
 
LOOK, PEOPLE. 'nuff of this fuss!

We should all be thankful, really. Steve basically saved us a bunch of time... From here forward, for any problem that may arise from use/misuse of an Apple product, we no longer need to quibble about here on the forums. One response should be sufficient:

"NON-ISSUE. Period!"

And we can go on with our lives! Great, right?
Thanks much, St. Jobs!
 
I am gobsmacked that people are defending this. People buy one of the most expensive phones on the market and they can't hold it in a certain way or their call gets dropped and that's fine?

Nonsense. Some people are ridiculous. You should be able to hold the phone any damn way.
 
Are the dimensions of the screen not the same? Yes, the bumper adds "width" which is why I said it would seem to make it more comfortable in your hand. But the "thickness" should be the same with or without the bumper.

Well, we're talking about the phone as a unit, not just the screen. If it didn't add "thickness", as you say. It wouldn't really serve as a "bumper" when setting it down now, would it? I don't own one, but I'm guessing it's also meant to be a cushion for when placing it on a flat surface. Am I way off base here???

Either way, it's simple math, sir. Addition = to ADD something to something else, hence adding thickness (one way or another). Wake up, my good man! Are you really gonna argue something this dumb??
 
I am gobsmacked that people are defending this. People buy one of the most expensive phones on the market and they can't hold it in a certain way or their call gets dropped and that's fine?

Nonsense. Some people are ridiculous. You should be able to hold the phone any damn way.


I haven't seen anyone defending Apple's attitude.

However, I have no problems with people buying if they have no problems with it. If they are going to put it in a case or are willing to learn to re-hold it, what's the biggie? Of course it shouldn't be that way, but hey, some people still think that besides this, here are still other advantages over the competition. I've got no problem with that.
 
Absolutly not an issue

It is absolutly not an issue for a person like me that typically holds the phone using his right hand. My fingers typically never touch the area.

But this does not sound like an atenuation issue, it sounds like a grounding issue where skin contact covers the two segments and therefore gounds the two sections. Maybe Apple needs to come clean on this one, hopefully they are looking at what they could have done different even if for now they take no action.

Given that the majority of people hold their phone using their left hand, you would think Apple was aware of this.
 
Well... if you cant get one... there are a lot of good reasons NOT to buy this phone.

I mean, there are pros too... but at this point I'm not sure this device is worth the title "best smartphone ever."

Yes I think it's important not to forget the pros. It is a beautiful piece of technology. If there wasn't an issue with the antenna then I would be 100% satisfied but unfortunetly that is a massive flaw which affects it's primary use. Don't get me wrong I still love the phone and I will be keeping it. I just want Apple to stand up with some balls, admit their mistake and tell us what they're going to do about it. And a free bumper won't cut it as I have a feeling that this was their plan all along. Let everyone kick up a fuss and then hand out £25 gifts.
 
The uk people should be able to get a Refund no problem

as this comes under

"Sales of Goods act 1979"

Goods are not of a Satisfactory Quality

Not sure where the law stands for you guys Outside of the UK
 
Um no, I give credit to the exploiter and marketer of the tech, Mr. Jobs

That's funny, because before you said "... you're basically emailing the innovator of the modern computer. ...".

Apple is clearly not the innovator in this case, and Steve Jobs even less so. As a matter of fact, the only useful GUI innovation he might be able to personally claim, the left side scroll bar, is not even an option under any OS Apple currently sells. It is a truly useful feature that Apple has every right to use, and they absolutely refuse to do it.

Having a hero is one thing, but blind faith is the fast road to drinking Jonestown kool-aid.
 
Jonathan Ive said:
There isn't even a single orientation. There is no up, there is no down. There's no right or wrong way of holding it. I don't have to change myself to fit the product - it fits me.
Obviously he wasn't talking about the iPhone 4.
 
But it's my life. I wear a helmet everytime I ride. I feel like I would be stupid not to. But it should be my choice. That's what freedom is about. Research also shows that if we all drive 5 mph then deaths would drop 2000%. Let's make that a law too. Less government is good.

I see the point. And in theory you are completely correct. However your life is different from someone else who is being stupid and not only kills them self but causes a chain reaction which ruins other lives in the process. We are not islands of will and freedom. We are interdependent and valuable to each other.

We are more like ants and bees and less like cats.
 
I haven't seen anyone defending Apple's attitude.

Unfortunately, there are far too many people in this thread alone defending apple's attitude. And attitude is definitely how it comes off in Steve's snob reply, "It's a Non-Issue". I don't think the UK will be the only place where refunds will be issued. Like I've said before, it's the restocking fee that Apple managers will have to decide on. My guess is most people will suck it up because they already have it and don't want to go backwards, or elsewhere.
 
Oh please stop moaning, this is another rushed out product by Apple, just return the damn thing and wait till the issue is fixed.

Remember how many threads were created with yellow tint issue on IMac and guess what it seems that it was sorted after all.

Just return it and stop complaining.
 
POLL - Setup in IPhone Main Forum

Hi guys,

I feel SJ's response is sadly lacking in measure, respect or even care for the people that brought the iPhone 4 and more. I want to try and get a measured, viewable response to the whole issue and have set up a POLL.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/950417/

Go there and vote with your fingers. Perhaps we can make Apple and more so SJ, realise that some people, sometimes are not happy - especially, when we are given such off hand responses by the CEO.
 
I am gobsmacked that people are defending this. People buy one of the most expensive phones on the market and they can't hold it in a certain way or their call gets dropped and that's fine?

Nonsense. Some people are ridiculous. You should be able to hold the phone any damn way.

Something to do with a story about creatures following a person playing something "Magical" off the end of a pier?:apple:
 
Unfortunately, there are far too many people in this thread alone defending apple's attitude. And attitude is definitely how it comes off in Steve's snob reply, "It's a Non-Issue". I don't think the UK will be the only place where refunds will be issued. Like I've said before, it's the restocking fee that Apple managers will have to decide on. My guess is most people will suck it up because they already have it and don't want to go backwards, or elsewhere.

I have defended keeping the phone (as I said, if people use cases and/or are okay with holding the phone some other way, then they can still enjoy everything the iPhone has to offer that other phones don't). As for Apple's attitude, it is indeed sad.

I wonder if they'll work on a fix.
 
So I suppose when they said "This is going to change everything, again", they also meant the way we hold our phones :)
 
I have defended keeping the phone (as I said, if people use cases and/or are okay with holding the phone some other way, then they can still enjoy everything the iPhone has to offer that other phones don't). As for Apple's attitude, it is indeed sad.

I wonder if they'll work on a fix.

Yeah, I don't disagree. I was just responding to the chap that was saying he didn't see anyone defending apple's attitude.
 
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