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im not having the issue at all.

I tried holding it every way i can. If i go further...but that would be called molestation.

No issues. Its construction design, internally where the gaps are touching. ...lol they could of made better gaps. It case to case.

"science. it works, bitches" (t-shirt)
 
There is a definite problem here. In the past two days I have had 6 dropped calls in my apartment, and I've only talked to two people (4 for the first person and 2 for the second). I've never had a dropped call in my apartment with my 3G.

Calling Apple now... I'll update with what happens.

But what if your call to Apple drops? Then what?
 
They'll still look incredibly foolish for Jobs initial response. It makes the company look arrogant and the initial Jobs response and subsequent Apple statement was extremely condascending.

I think his response was cool and funny. They may lose a bunch of sensitive customers because of that, but I don't care -- I'm not a shareholder.


Engadget and even Gizmodo are saying that call drops are fewer with the iPhone4. And locations which were previously dead spots are no longer dead.
A guy I know is saying the WiFi on the iPhone 4 is working in his garden, while none of his other devices will get a connection.
C.

It's a conspiracy.
 
im not having the issue at all.

I tried holding it every way i can. If i go further...but that would be called molestation.

No issues. Its construction design, internally where the gaps are touching. ...lol they could of made better gaps. It case to case.

"science. it works, bitches" (t-shirt)


You're in a great signal reception area, I assure you. Try testing in a poor area and you'll experience the same.
 
An announcement about a fix later today! Interesting. Let's hope the announcement isn't "Ya... so... we thought about it and we're sticking with what Steve said. No big deal. Just hold it differently.".

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/the-jimmy-fallon-test-is-the-iphone-4-dropping-less-calls/


Engadget and even Gizmodo are saying that call drops are fewer with the iPhone4. And locations which were previously dead spots are no longer dead.

A guy I know is saying the WiFi on the iPhone 4 is working in his garden, while none of his other devices will get a connection.

This is confusing. Sounds like some engineers need to get to the bottom of this problem.

C.

I posted this earlier (from a PhD in electromagnetics):

The technical explanation for the variation in signal strength found when closing the iPhone's case gaps with one's fingers is, that the antennas are being "loaded". The loading from fingers, a material with a high relative permittivity of ~50 at 2 GHz, changes the input impedance and resonant frequency of the antenna resulting in loss.

If I had to take an educated guess, I suspect pressing one's fingers across the gap increases the gap capacitance and changes the feed input impedance and electrical length of the antenna. It is analogous to holding on to a piano wire with two fingers while it is being struck. Its resonant frequency will shift and its quality factor will drop, resulting in a sound that is off key and muffled.

A solution often employed in the field is to preload an antenna. Preloading is including a large permittivity in the design, so when a human puts it close to their body, there isn't a significant change. The down side of this is that it often reduces bandwidth and efficiency. So you can either have a great antenna that takes a hit when your fingers are near it or have one that is not quite as good but never changes. Isn't it like Apple to choose the former and like the masses to cry for the latter? ;)

Note that if the antennas were designed to be inside the case as opposed to being part of it, they would likely have a loss somewhere between the best (unloaded) and worst (loaded) performance of the existing antenna. It's all an engineering tradeoff.

The best solution is to not touch the antennas at the gap (Steve is right) or to buy a phone cover that keeps your high-permittivity sausages away from the RF sensitive areas. Apple made the trade off for you and in my opinion it is a novel and good one, provided it can survive the bad PR generated by the griping gap grippers.
 
You're in a great signal reception area, I assure you. Try testing in a poor area and you'll experience the same.

I'm in a horrible service area(Malibu CA) and myself and 5 friends all ip4 owners, all in malibu I block apart, and our service isnt greta at home, and we had no issues even covering it up for maybe 10 min , not one bar lost. So dont act likes it wide spread, it isn't
 
I posted this earlier (from a PhD in electromagnetics):

So you can either have a great antenna that takes a hit when your fingers are near it or have one that is not quite as good but never changes.;)

Well, that is a gross simplification. But if that is the choice, and someone asks me which of the two do you want for an area that fingers will definitely be touching, it's a no-brainer.
 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/the-jimmy-fallon-test-is-the-iphone-4-dropping-less-calls/


Engadget and even Gizmodo are saying that call drops are fewer with the iPhone4. And locations which were previously dead spots are no longer dead.

A guy I know is saying the WiFi on the iPhone 4 is working in his garden, while none of his other devices will get a connection.

This is confusing. Sounds like some engineers need to get to the bottom of this problem.

C.

But there's a difference between increased signal strength/reception when the antenna is NOT being compromised by a normal hand hold position and when it is.

I have no doubts some people are seeing much better signal strength by either a) not having a phone as affected or affected at all or b) holding the phone differently.
 
From some of the replies here, one might guess that Apple has plenty of "Genius'" on this message board defending Apple and their shoddy products.

This is a serious reception problem. This a PHONE first and foremost.

Quite a cavalier attitude from Steve Jobs....

We're all holding it wrong????????

C'mon. What about left-handers like myself?

...and to top it off, the screens come with yellow tint too! ...just like the new iMacs.

Apple quailty is quickly going downhill.
 
I think the reason this problem was overlooked was simply because all of the testing they did for connection problems was done in the field, where they used the cases to disguise the iPhone 4 as a 3GS, and thus they never noticed that if you touch the bottom left corner, the connect goes out, because they never TOUCHED the bottom left corner of the device.
 
Simple proof of the bridging flaw

It couldn't be more clear that the bridging of the antennas (and not cupping) is the problem here. Here's a really simple video where the guy has 4 bars of AT&T service, even with the phone cupped. Then he just moves his hand down a tiny bit to bridge the two antennas, and the data-stream completely shuts off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6oflC4qo8M
 
I'm in a horrible service area(Malibu CA) and myself and 5 friends all ip4 owners, all in malibu I block apart, and our service isnt greta at home, and we had no issues even covering it up for maybe 10 min , not one bar lost. So dont act likes it wide spread, it isn't

Haha that's a bit backwards.

This has made international news. Just because you don't have the issue, don't pretend it's NOT widespread. it is!

Doesn't the fact that you're all in the same location tell you something? take a drive and then try it out.
 
I can't believe how short-sited ppl are. Has it every occurred to anyone that Steve made those initial responses before he or Apple realized there was a real widespread issue that required further investigation.

If Apple comes out this afternoon and says we found the issue and they have a realistic fix for it, there will be a lot of ppl that feel like idiots.

Its good to see we have 1600+ posts and counting rapidly before Apple as even had a 'real' chance to respond once they realized there was a bigger issue than a few emails to Steve.
 
Just glad to see all the media reporting on this issue. Saw a similar report from the PCMag mobile editor on Fox Business showing the reception problem live. Call dropped within 15 seconds...... Wow talk about egg on your face(time) Apple.
 
As long as major news companies keep reporting on this and showing live that there is a problem, apple is going to say something. Imagine if Cnn/msnbc/fox or w/e got wind of it and made a demonstration on tv, that would give apple such a bad rap.
 
As long as major news companies keep reporting on this and showing live that there is a problem, apple is going to say something. Imagine if Cnn/msnbc/fox or w/e got wind of it and made a demonstration on tv, that would give apple such a bad rap.

That's already happened apparently. It's all beginning to snowball.
 
Guy interviewed on CNN from PCMag tried to almost brush it off by saying that "not as many people make calls on the iPhone as you might think."

IT'S A ****ING PHONE!!!

Yes, it has many, many other great aspects to it that one can use but first and foremost it's a phone...if it can'y make calls/hold signal due to basic design flaw then that is a major balls up.
 
Guy interviewed on CNN from PCMag tried to almost brush it off by saying that "not as many people make calls on the iPhone as you might think."

IT'S A ****ING PHONE!!!

Yes, it has many, many other great aspects to it that one can use but first and foremost it's a phone...if it can'y make calls/hold signal due to basic design flaw then that is a major balls up.

Also, it effects cellular data just as much as calls so his point was moronic in the first place.
 
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