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I'd genuinely, really, appreciate a link to any information on this, both t-mobile and HTC tell me it can't be done...


I dont know if your service provider has this available to you...with Android you can always do what you want <ROOT it> :) Google it.
 
A lot of people don't do a clean restore. When installed iOS4, I always recommend installing the IPSW, but NOT restoring from backup. Set it up as a new device, and manually install your applications (it doesn't take that long). You'd be surprised the difference it makes as so many factors can be carried over from previous use that may hinder and slow the device down.
 
No, it's not worth getting upset.

Simply drop the notion that when you buy a phone that you'll be able to upgrade to newer firmware versions for years. Simply drop it.

Phones are not desktop computers. They have critically limited CPU power, memory and storage. Each phone model has a particular set of hardware devices that need drivers. (Sometimes the same "phone model" will change hardware suppliers mid run.)

Unless you have a written guarantee (and not some verbal "yea, sure" from the droid who sold you your Droid) that you can upgrade, assume that you can't.

Did HTC or your phone company promise an upgrade? If so, get upset. If not - does the phone do what they promised when you bought it? If yes, be happy and upgrade when your contract allows.

Don't expect IOS 5 to run on an Iphone 4. Be happy if it does, but don't consider it an entitlement.

Clearly Apple screwed up in allowing IOS4 upgrades on a 2G Iphone - the device doesn't seem to be capable of supporting it. They should only have allowed IOS4 upgrades on a 3G Iphone. Now Apple is scrambling to clean up the mess - but I doubt that any 2G Iphone owners will be really happy at the outcome.

Apple currently sells the 8GB iPod Touch that has similar specs to the iPhone 3G. If you buy a new 8GB iPod Touch today and connect it to iTunes, it wants to push the iOS4 to it.
If you upgrade, you a screwed by slowness and low battery life.
If you opt to not upgrade, you are also screwed because you can't install many apps in the App Store because many of the app developers updated their apps for iOS4 and then quickly yanked the previous version apps that could run with 3.x..

Apple screwed this up. Why try to blame the buyers for having too old equipment when the software doesn't even run right on hardware that is still for sale today?
 
A lot of people don't do a clean restore. When installed iOS4, I always recommend installing the IPSW, but NOT restoring from backup. Set it up as a new device, and manually install your applications (it doesn't take that long). You'd be surprised the difference it makes as so many factors can be carried over from previous use that may hinder and slow the device down.

I did that with my old iPhone 3G hoping it would fix it (I was giving it to someone)... however even just using it with the vanilla apps installed, it felt a bit sluggish (certainly not as bad as before, but still something not quite right). I ended up downgrading, and it was back to how I remember it, smooth.
 
Wow, I just watched the YouTube video. That looks HORRIBLE. I'd lose my mind dealing with that kind of lag. Apple: you'd be much better off making people wait longer for the new OS than issuing something this laggy. For shame.
 
I did that with my old iPhone 3G hoping it would fix it (I was giving it to someone)... however even just using it with the vanilla apps installed, it felt a bit sluggish (certainly not as bad as before, but still something not quite right). I ended up downgrading, and it was back to how I remember it, smooth.

Yeah sorry man, it's hit or miss sometimes. 3GS runs iOS4 well, but some 3G iPhones run it well, while others don't. I've seen it fixed with clean iOS4 installs, but I've also seen it run so slow my life crawled before my eyes.

My friend had a 3G with iOS4 run so slowly, it took 1-2 MINUTES for a response, even on a clean install. Then again, he had 9+ pages of apps lol.
 
Typical sequence of events goes something like this:

Customers: This is f'ed up!
Steve: We didn't f up. We never do.
Customers: This is REALLY f'ed up!
Apple engineers: We may have f'ed up.
Steve: We didn't f up.
Engineers: We have confirmed we've f'ed up and are working on a solution.
Steve: We didn't f up.
Customers: We're growing tired of this f up.
Engineers: We finally have a fix for this f up.
Steve" Here's a patch. It improves your experience. But remember, we never f'ed up.
 
Typical sequence of events goes something like this:

Customers: This is f'ed up!
Steve: We didn't f up. We never do.
Customers: This is REALLY f'ed up!
Apple engineers: We may have f'ed up.
Steve: We didn't f up.
Engineers: We have confirmed we've f'ed up and are working on a solution.
Steve: We didn't f up.
Customers: We're growing tired of this f up.
Engineers: We finally have a fix for this f up.
Steve" Here's a patch. It improves your experience. But remember, we never f'ed up.

LOL I have to admit that's brilliant :)
 
Brilliant!

I jailbroke my phone after being so upset by the hang-ups. the phone is not faster now, but i have wallpaper and multitasking along with screenlock and other small features. the way i see it, ios 4 for the iPhone 3G is the same as the regular ios 4, but with key features omitted. the reason for those omissions was that the phone would not be able to run properly with the new features. the ultimate slap in the face was that not only did the phone run ridiculously slow despite the omission, it didn't give me any new features except for folders, big whoops! now, my phone may still be slow as hell, but at least i have cool new features like multi-tasking and wallpaper background. also, i have the ability to run apps through CYDIA, apps like backgrounder and winterboard. moral of the story, i will never update my os without waiting in the future. and also, i see that apple is starting to care less about it's customers, not what attracted me to the company in the first place. i will be dropping AT&T as well, another perk of the jailbreak. i wonder if steve jobs knows that he's making people (like myself) who had no interest in jailbreaking, seek alternatives to fix their devices? does he care? bottom line: iOS 3.1.3 (or whatever the last update was) should have been it for the 3G. it seemed like a big F-YOU to me when i upgraded and suddenly had a piece of crap that begs to be skipped across a pond, in my hand.
 
Give Up!

Unfortunately, the choice is very clear. Pick up your iPhone 3G and hurl it at the wall with excessive force . . . or . . . break down and find some of the resources on the web on for restoring the iPhone back to 3.2.1. I did, it was a huge pain in the butt, but it was worth it and taught me a valuable lesson. I'm never going to update any software from Apple again until it has been out there for a few days and people comment on it. One of the dangers of being an "early adopter" is getting whacked with something like iOS4 which turns your iPhone 3G into a really fancy paperweight.
 
Froyo just came out. I'd call that a major update.
some people are so ignorant...
You guys are all completely out of touch with software development.

Name one piece of software - ever - that was issued 100% bug free and never had an update or a patch?

You cant.

Windows, OSX, iOS, Linux, Android - all receive regular patches and updates, and new major versions with bugs.

Safari, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera - all have had major and minor versions, bugs, and fixes.

Wii, PS3, XBOX 360 - all have had system updates, some worked well and some broke things.

Adobe CS, iTunes, MS Office - tons and tons of versions and updates.

BIOS updates, graphic driver updates. I have had USB hard disk drives that got firmware updates.

My cable box, my TiVO - both have received system updates, both have had glitches.

I got software updates on my car and my van. Even motorcycles get software updates now.

Even satellites, spacecraft, and Mars rovers have had glitches and received software updates.

I work in IT. There is a process. Bugs are found, they are prioritized, they are cost and time boxed, and they are fixed as resources allow. Sometimes bugs just flat out wont ever be fixed. Sometimes bug fixes create new bugs. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS, thats why we use SOFTware - so that it can be updated and tweaked.

And not every company or every project will issue a press release every day keeping every customer up to date on every single issue. Sometimes, you just use what you have and if a new product or fix is released - you get it, and you try it and if it makes things better then YAY!

Jesus, you guys act like spoiled children.
its not a bug when a new firmware makes a device completely unusable. its called crappy development, crappy testing, and crappy qc.
 
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Anytime Jobs want to get around to "fixing" iPhone 4 issues, we're ready.
 
I used my 3g for about a year and it worked great and I told everyone to get one. I even got my wife a Iphone as well as my two kids and my brother, thank God I upgraded OS before she did. I told her to make sure that she never upgraded her phone again after my phone shot craps. Now the bad thing is that she is the Mac user in the family and she kept trying to defend apple.... so she did not follow my advice and upgraded... in the mean time I bought a android phone (and by the way I love it).... We call eachohter about 5 times during the day for breaks and lunch at work... she keeps complaining now how she can not anwser the phone when I call and how her phone is having problems... I just tell her that mine works fine. I always loved my IPhone until apple broke it and that really pushed me away from the products after that (left a bad taste in my mouth). I have 5 phones in my plan and I have a feeling that the other 4 are going to follow my path of going android after the "update" or should I call it "downgrade" that ITunes told them that they should do.
 
To the people who "don't get it", here's how you can "get" the frustration:

1) iTunes will want to push out iOS4 when you connect your iPhone
2) If you do the upgrade and then realise it's completely ruined the user experience, you can't downgrade easily
3) If you do downgrade, you can't run many apps that are now iOS4-dependant.

Seriously, people, not that difficult. When Steve gets out in front of people and says "iOS4 is awesome! We know the 3G isn't as fast, so we're lopping off some of the more processor-intensive features so you can still upgrade" you don't then expect said upgrade to make your phone completely unusable.

I've actually had honest-to-goodness hard reboots while taking calls, something that hasn't happened in the 2-odd years I've owned this phone before the upgrade. Apps that worked fine previously now crash out, lag or just fail to work entirely. I've killed Spotlight, done numerous hard resets and a complete reinstall. Nothing resolves the problem because the OS is completely incapable of running properly on this hardware.

The usual Apple Apologetics don't bother me normally, but in this case you're talking about a previously completely fine device that has been essentially bricked by an OS update that Apple want you to install.

And to those who say "just buy a new phone, lol" I pity your complete ignorance of reality. Cheers.

/rant
 
Honestly, iPhone 3g owners should just jailbreak and get the packages that make it usable. Unfortunately it's gotten to that, but its not worth suffering and hoping 4.1 fixes things. I like Jobs, but if i was suffering with an unusably laggy phone, and jailbreaking would fix it...i know what i would do...
 
Honestly, iPhone 3g owners should just jailbreak and get the packages that make it usable. Unfortunately it's gotten to that, but its not worth suffering and hoping 4.1 fixes things. I like Jobs, but if i was suffering with an unusably laggy phone, and jailbreaking would fix it...i know what i would do...

interesting.

But if that is the case, especially for a phone bought less than 4 to 5 months ago then how can it be said "it just works"?
 
Wow, I just watched the YouTube video. That looks HORRIBLE. I'd lose my mind dealing with that kind of lag. Apple: you'd be much better off making people wait longer for the new OS than issuing something this laggy. For shame.

My 3G is beyond a joke. My video would make the iPhone in this parody look decidedly slick. [hang, freeze, lag, crash, crash, lag]

My problems esp when using Safari. Check that. My problems come when TRYING to use Safari; now I can't. It is that bad. Basically unusable.

I hope they get this fixed soon, it's just ridiculous.
 
My 3G is certainly a little slower than it was pre-upgrade, but on the whole it still works OK. However, I can't help thinking that a lot of people on here have very short memories. This time last year iOS 3.1 came out and there were hundreds of pages on Forums of people claiming that it had "bricked" their iPhone. It was all over the media and it took Apple a long time (in my opinion) to get the software sorted. Everything was back to normal and what did Apple do - bring out an upgrade that put us back to square one. Is this going to become an annual occurrence whenever a new device is launched that runs under a new version of iOS.

I'm not an iPhone geek and I'm not a supporter of Apple or Microsoft. When I buy any piece of technology I just want it to do what it's supposed to do. When I sync my phone and the manufacturer recommends that I upgrade the software I just do it because rightly or wrongly I expect them to know more about the subject than me. I certainly don't think that I should have to watch press conferences held by Steve Jobs and then look for hidden clues as to whether I should upgrade or not.

I had intended to buy a new iPhone 4 but if I'm truthful it's not the phone that's stopping me buying one - it's Apple. This "Holier than Thou" attitude that they give out just turns me off them. Maybe when all the dust settles I'll get round to buying the latest version - I do like my iPhone when it's working properly.

Could I also say that it doesn't help when people (including Apple) slag off the opposition. I'm not interested in what they are doing , it's what Apple are doing that matters to me.
 
Let's be clear here, it has been two months and Apple still has not even acknowledged that there is a serious problem:
  • The WSJ got one unnamed Apple "spokeswoman" to acknowledge that "Apple is aware of the reports and is looking into the matter". Awareness of reports is utterly meaningless ... they could look into reports and decide that putting a spinning beach ball over my non-responsive keyboard or over my inability to answer calls is the fix - much like they did with their fake show-fewer-bars response to signal issues.
  • Jobs said "Software update coming soon." Yeah, no duh! But that doesn't mean it fixes anything.
I no longer recommend the iPhone to anyone. I get calls that never even ring and you don't get acknowledgement of them until there is a popup for the voicemail. When it does ring you have to be prepared to attempt to answer multiple times in hope that it will. As for the rest of the smartphone features, you have to be prepared for it to take twice as long to do any task to account for the freezes/lags.
 
Hey that's my 3G!

Great video. Unfortunately its absolutely true.
I've emailed Apple asking for them to restore the iPhone I bought back.
I just want to have what I bought.
It was great.
I'm at a total loss why they trashed the device with this new OS.
 
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