Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
When Apple introduced MagSafe in 2006 a full charge would last no longer than 4 hours, much less when you taxed your Macbook, making charging while working a necessity.

With improved battery life and the intended usage pattern of the MBA and new RMB most people will be able to forego that and only charge them overnight together with their iPhones (or :apple:watch).

I would really like the idea of having just one cable to charge the iPhone7 and Macbook at some time. Heck make it another USB-C on the wallwart and I could use it to connect both of them....
 
I have an iMac, MBP, 4 iPads, iPod touch, 2 Apple Tvs and 3 iPhones in my house. So spare me your uninformed conclusions.

I'm simply not blinded and call shills for what they are.


----------

[/COLOR]

And you are trying as usual to spin Apple as negative as possible. What's the difference ?
 
I'm not against the usb-c standard. I'm just against having one port.

Any laptop that adopts this tech should have at least two of these ports.
 
That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not an Apple invention: Apple could have designed the port and took it to the standards bodies, who then developed Apple’s design with those other companies.

I don’t see any reason for Gruber — or his source, for that matter — to lie about this, seen as only a limited number of people will hear it, and the majority of those that will typically like Apple as a company anyway…

you dont see a reason for an extremely biased mouthpiece to say something like this?

initially a concentrated group will hear but it will it will spread.

even if it is true i can find no logical reason to actually break the "story" besides causing some friction.
 
But you don't - it's a usb connector, so you can transfer your data over wire if you wish. No ones forcing you to only use the usb-c port for power only

But its impractical and expensive. No problem with it being limited to the one computer but if they apply it to the rest of the line....

The loss of Ethernet, Firewire, Thunderbolt, two USBs, SD card and MagSafe without an adaptor while plugged in would be super annoying. Ethernet is something I could possibly do without, but adaptors for those would still be annoying.
 
If Apple had invented it, why wouldn't they just have said it?

I watched the Apple event yesterday, and it struck me that Phil Schiller actually mentioned on stage that they invented USB-C. I thought it was a little presumptuous on his part to claim fame to USB-C until I read this article on Mac Rumors.
 
Last edited:
I'm still a bit annoyed at the lack of Thunderbolt; I know the port is a bit taller, but really, how thin do we need our laptops to be?

USB-C is definitely exciting though, even if I probably won't have a machine with it for a while, but I also still don't see why the new Macbook doesn't just have type C on both sides. As useful as a headphone port is, there are many great, low-energy Bluetooth headphone devices out there.

It's nice to have a port that can do a bit of everything, but it's ultimately still just one port, limiting you to one USB 3 port in terms of speed for most peripherals; I assume video comes down separately, but two ports would be a lot more realistic for usability than one is.
 
Let me throw out all my usb and fireWire hubs and cables and enclosures and hard drives and buy all new peripherals. I don't have any thunderbolt items to throw out because I was too slow in buying them.
 
A couple of things.

Just in case anyone actually wants to know why Apple might not want to say that they were the authors of the standard, even if they were. This is sheerest speculation, of course, but it's pretty obvious stuff. All you need to do is look at what happens when Apple authors a standard.

For example, Firewire. Which is also known as IEEE 1394, a, you guessed it, standard. For a while Apple wanted a licensing fee to use the NAME, but otherwise the whole thing was free. And eventually they dropped even that. But a number of industry groups (at the time led by Intel, but also including quite a few other household names) did their best to ensure that it would never be widespread, instead creating and then adopting USB-2, which is wholly inferior to firewire. USB-2, admittedly, was designed simply to be cheap rather than good, but if Firewire devices were ever made in anywhere near the numbers that USB-2 devices were it would have driven the cost of controllers down to a competitive level. But a consortium of companies simply did not want to adopt anything with the 'Apple' name on it.

Now, Apple in 1994 was in a rather different place than they are today. Still, if Apple had come out with a spec, waved it around, and said, "We want this to be adopted as USB-C", there would have been a lot of companies that would have fought that. There are plenty of companies who, if given the chance to give Apple a black eye without costing themselves a dime, will take it. And tying up a standard in a standards body is more or less no-effort. You just need one person to throw some sand in the gears, and you might as well just give up. (This is, at least, true of the standards bodies that I have interacted with, on a pair of RFCs.)

Incidentally, there are also a lot of people on various standards bodies who are GNU diehards. No idea if this one contains any, but a lot of those people would sooner go back to USB 1.1 than adopt an Apple-authored standard, even if it is completely free of all encumbrances.

Second, in case it isn't obvious why they didn't use Lightning: first off, it's too slow. Second off, it doesn't carry enough power. Third off, it can't transmit multiple video channels. Fourth off, you cannot imagine what would happen if you connected both audio in/out and a hard drive over a single lightning connector, not only due to bandwidth but because it doesn't support isochronous-mode communications/dedicated channels.

Third, in case it isn't obvious why they didn't make it mag-safe: two reasons. First, they would have to open magsafe to everyone if they made usb-c mag-safe. They MIGHT be able to include a licensing deal that let people license it for free only for the purposes of making USB-C connectors, that would depend on the rules of the standards body (which I don't know). But then it would be utterly obvious that it was an Apple technology, and, well, see above. Second, though, has already been covered. Some people are utterly perfect in their ability to keep their laptop firmly on their desks, not jog cables, not in short do anything that could in any way break their connection. They don't NEED magsafe. Those of us who do occasionally catch the cable on something, even if it's sitting on our desks, are fine with accidentally disconnecting the power cable. Accidentally disconnecting the power, the external hard drive, the monitor, the ethernet, the keyboard, the mouse, the connection to the remote server that you're copying data from onto the external hard drive, or even the external hard drive THAT YOU BOOTED FROM, is not so trivial.

Thank You for making sense!!!:)

----------

I highly doubt a Apple blue shirt is going to tell a customer that you can buy a cheaper adapter from Monoprice or eBay. Their goal is to pitch a sale and snag you with accessories. A Apple consumer has no idea what USB Type C is. Hell; most people here did not know what Type C was a week ago today.

And just look at the title of this article.

"John Gruber: Apple Invented USB Type C"

So you expect the guy at the Microsoft store or Dell to send you to Monoprice?
 
The Apple Thunderbolt Display is now being obsoleted not just by 4K displays but also by the new fad of jettisoning Thunderbolt from new Apple Macbooks.

Will someone make a USB-C to Thunderbolt Hub or will Apple release a firmware upgrade that will allow DP to be accepted by the Thunderbolt Display without the Thunderbolt handshake?
 
USB - Universal Serial Bus

"Universal"

So far we have five different USB speeds and seven different USB connectors. So where's the universal bit again?
 
USB - Universal Serial Bus

"Universal"

So far we have five different USB speeds and seven different USB connectors. So where's the universal bit again?

The universal bit is the "bus," which is backward compatible with each new USB standard release.
 
Not having the connector pull away when yanked on is a severe negative for a portable.

The new MacBook is so light that MagSafe wouldn't pull away if you tripped over the cord. There has to be some weight there for MagSafe to work well.
 
In the keynote 44 minutes in the USB-c is covered. Specifically stated apple worked in conjunction with others to develop it.

----------

The new MacBook is so light that MagSafe wouldn't pull away if you tripped over the cord. There has to be some weight there for MagSafe to work well.

Are these in Apple Stores ?
 
Agree. It would be nice to have wireless charging on iDevices.
It's coherent with Apple's minimalistic vision, so I don't know why.

I'm wondering if weight/bulk issues could be it? It would be interesting to see what that adds to a device,and if it's significant at all. Given Apples device anorexia it wouldn't take much to make them leave it out.
 
Of course Apple didn't invent USB-C, but if the details on sites like The Verge are correct they were part of the team that helped develop it along with Intel, Dell, HP and others... and if the engineer numbers they give are correct then Apple had about a 29% person input into the standard.

This was a needed tactical move by Apple as places like Europe were threatening to impose a legal requirement that all phone connectors were standardised due to the extreme fragmentation of connectors causing consumer confusion and enviromental waste, so Apple were rightly concerned that they could see their propriotory Lightning connector banned. So if a new universal standard was to be imposed they would naturally want to make sure they had some part in cotrolling what the final developed product that they might be forced to include on their hardware was.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: ruka.snow
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.