Huh. A lie? So they didn't shrink the Mac logic board? It was fairies?
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That and the all day battery. You will charge it more like an iPad which never had MagSafe
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John Gruber: Apple Invented USB Type C
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Huh. A lie? So they didn't shrink the Mac logic board? It was fairies?
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That and the all day battery. You will charge it more like an iPad which never had MagSafe
The problem with lightning isn't its flexibility, it is its bus limitations in the first place.
Lightning is just a multifaceted adapter port. It is not an integrated logic board bus system. All it does is sense what is trying to be done on one end, and convert that to usable data/audio/video on the other. That's what the tiny little chip in each adapter does. The fact that it does this effectively in software (in the little chip) is probably also why its bandwidth appears to be limited to USB 2.0 levels which is why it still takes just as long to synchronise your iDevices on your USB 3.0 enabled Mac as it did with a USB 2.0 Mac. Lightning can't do more than 1080p video out for this reason as well, and couldn't do Gigabit Ethernet either.
What it did do was offer two way charging capability, and reversibility, as well as being way more compact...all things which have been implemented in the USB-C standard. Plus the USB-C has native mDP 1.2, meaning monitors can be USB-C only and support up to almost 4k. The bandwidth means it can do that, support Gb Ethernet, charge itself and connected peripherals, and do high speed data transfer, all at the same time out of one port.
Having a small desktop dock that looks like half of an external superdrive with USB-A, SDXC, Ethernet, HDMI, and mDP for when you are at your primary workspace, as well as one small multi-adapter like the one Apple is already selling for on the go, means that you won't need more than one USB-C on a portable machine (iPhone, iPad, Macbook) or two on a "pro" machine to connect two external monitors (Macbook Pro).
At this point it is a toss up as to whether we are going to see USB-C on the iDevices or not. It makes tons of sense, you could use the same adapters or docks you use with your Mac then, and for Apple, it is a way to maintain growth in the segment as markets mature. The more accessories available due to standard connectors, the more the ecosystem builds upon itself. They can still control what iDevices can and can't do with USB, but they might actually be moving away from that slowly as they open up iOS more and more.
With a current bandwidth of 10 Gbps (gen 2 USB 3.1 - not in the new MB, which uses gen 1 3.1 @ 5 Gbps) and likely to double again in the next generation, it is going to be equal to Thunderbolt 2/3 but way more versatile. This could be the connector that finally does everything.
Lightning was never going to be that.
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If I am not mistaken, USB-C actually doesn't comply with this ruling, so unless I am mistaken (which I very well could be) then this has had very little impact on the move to USB-C.
I wouldn't go as far to call it "perfect" but it is a hell of an improvement over existing USB. Specifically, it is a symmetric cable with the device / host concept not hardwired into the scheme.
When handheld devices went to USB just over ten years ago, one big thing lost from RS-232 was peer-to-peer communication. With good ole RS-232, you can swap wires and make a null-modem configuration so devices can talk together mutually.
With USB, the hardware had to be defined as either host or device. Thus, when you had a mobile system with a USB device port, you could synch to your desktop but you could not have the same port connect to mobile accessories. USB-C handles this.
Was told peer-to-peer was in the original USB spec but was taken out to keep parts cost down.
To the people lamenting the demise of MagSafe: LooK at your iOS devices. They are often way more likely to be pulled off of somewhere whilst charging and they don't have MagSafe. Apple have given us years to get used to the fact we may no longer use magnetic chargers one day.
To me, this is why Apple is considering killing it off; they know you're far more likely to pull an iPhone/iPad off a table than a MacBook Pro whilst charging. And it happens, sure. I'd far rather have seen MagSafe implemented into Lightning but, as another poster said, it'd probably cause a heck of a of problems if it disconnected during a data transfer.
It's still a step backwards. I imagine Pro machines will keep a separate MagSafe so the USB ports can be used purely for data transfer/whatever, at least for the time being.
To me, this is why Apple is considering killing it off; they know you're far more likely to pull an iPhone/iPad off a table than a MacBook Pro whilst charging. And it happens, sure. I'd far rather have seen MagSafe implemented into Lightning but, as another poster said, it'd probably cause a heck of a of problems if it disconnected during a data transfer.
It's still a step backwards. I imagine Pro machines will keep a separate MagSafe so the USB ports can be used purely for data transfer/whatever, at least for the time being.
Le sigh.
I hope Apple isn't arrogant enough to claim credit for work they didn't do. I am a big Apple fan and use all their products, but I have it on much better authority that it's completely the other way around. One of the other companies involved did most of the design, and Apple didn't even show up until late in the process. Some engineers at said company that are going to be really pissed to hear this since they're not allowed to say anything. So frustrating that someone can make this crap up and use Gruber to amplify it until it becomes the accepted story.
I hope Apple isn't arrogant enough to claim credit for work they didn't do. I am a big Apple fan and use all their products, but I have it on much better authority that it's completely the other way around. One of the other companies involved did most of the design, and Apple didn't even show up until late in the process. Some engineers at said company that are going to be really pissed to hear this since they're not allowed to say anything. So frustrating that someone can make this crap up and use Gruber to amplify it until it becomes the accepted story.
To me it looks like they could have made the one port, a combo port with the outer perimeter having contacts for charging with a magsafe type adapter then you could have the USB-C port in the center. Unplug your charger and plug in USB-C devices. This is just a quick sketch but you could have a plug with the 3 charging posts top and bottom as well so it is reversible. That's my thoughts on the subject. I imagine Apple tried to do something of this nature. The incredible thinness of the new MacBook is probably the limiting factor.
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Actually, what Phil Schiller said is that it's the "densest" logic board ever in a Mac. And that's true.
Another lie? Apple here claimed nothing ...
Haters gonna hate.
And ain'ters gunnuh ain't!
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I just watched the clip, his exact words were "Apple along with a number of other companies."
I think all Gruber was saying is that Apple may have spawned the idea for the new form factor and capability set, and lent a bulk of the engineering toward the effort versus the other members of the standards group. Frankly, I don't find that difficult to believe at all, as they are BY FAR THE LARGEST AND MOST PROFITABLE TECH COMPANY ON THE PLANET -- NO WAIT, THEY ARE THE LARGEST AND MOST PROFITABLE COMPANY PERIOD.
A Series 800 Terminator, which is sent from the future and designed to kill humans, is crushed in one of the ... Thus, the company obtains the machine's wreckage, including its USB Type C chip and an arm.
Have you ever seen a sci-fi movie where the futuristic gadgets are practically paper-thin and soooo darn cool and you're just like, oh MAN I want that stuff! It can't come soon enough! You know how we're going to get it? Apple doing stuff just like THIS. Forcing their way forward into the future, and pulling us along! I've been into computers since I was a kid in the mid-80s, and started getting into cyberpunk sci-fi in the early 1990s. I just WISH WISH WISH I could go back in time to 13 or 14 year old me and show them an iPhone 6, or this new MacBook! Little Me would be in awe and be like, holy crap Big Me, you ARE living in The Future in 2015! And I'd be like, Little Me, we're still moving forward, and btw, that company Apple who everyone thought was going to croak for many years? Yeah, they're now the largest company on the planet. I think Little Me might just die.
So I return to: Apple, GO FOR THINNER! Push wireless aggressively! Go nuts! Keep dragging us into The Future kicking and screaming!
And as for the audio port? Uh, you did notice that Apple bought a little ol' headphone company called Beats, right? You really think they would make it impossible to use 98% of the headphones they sell under Beats with their products?!
Given the surprisingly small size of the USB Type-C connector, I think we could see all cellphones--and that includes the iPhone!--switch to this new connector by 2017. It will have the benefit of full USB 3.1 transfer speeds, which may be needed for smooth playback of the rumored future version of Apple Lossless audio that approximates 24-bit/96 KHz sampling rate audio, in my opinion.
I used firewire yesterday. It still works great. Considering the alternative at the time was USB1 and barely later USB2, the speed difference is immense. So those that needed it bought it and those that did not, didn't.
I also copied some CD's to a USB3 stick on a Mac with USB1 and one with USB2 and the speed difference was immense.
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Why do people desire the end of thunderbolt technology? I have to assume it is due to ignorance with regard to what it actually is and how it differs from USB when it comes to data handling.
And no, thinner is not always better. In order to do it you have to make big compromises when it comes to the components you put in those cases, which becomes an annoyance if you rely on the computational ability of your computer for work purposes (for example).
We already have the ability to wirelessly transfer stuff from macs. Wired solutions will always be more secure and faster.
And no, thinner is not always better. In order to do it you have to make big compromises when it comes to the components you put in those cases, which becomes an annoyance if you rely on the computational ability of your computer for work purposes (for example).
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Cool story, bro.
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Obviously true. Apple announced minor upgrades to the rMBP, but didn't change the power port. They could have made the change across the board. We probably won't see USB Type C on other devices until later in the year, or possibly in 2016.
Wrong. You only NEED a magsafe on the power cable, as data cables aren't likely to be tripped over with the peripherals being located relatively close to the computer. But making a multi-conductor magnetic interface would most likely introduce reliability and durability issues as well as other engineering problems, as well as much higher cost.
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Apple engineers like obviously non-standard connectors. Must be the reason why "Apple invented USB Type C".
Have you tried yet how this works with usb-c?
The tiny usb-c connector might actually being very yank-friendly...
I don't care about the usbc adapter in the new MacBook. But I don't like the weak-ass processor they slapped in this thing. Sure it's fanless, but it's bascilally a glorified tablet with a keyboard now.
For the work I wanna do on the road, I'm still gonna choose one of the updated MacBook airs over the MacBook. Wish the airs got retina displays, but I guess this is how they're gonna get more people to by the new MacBook. <sigh>
Personally, I'd rather have the power of the Air over the underpowered thinness of the MacBook. If I just wanted thin, I'd use my iPad mini while on the road.
Right now the MacBook is too limited power wise. But I understand this is how progress and change works....slow & steady.
I wonder when Apple will create a 5K Cinema Display that matches the new 5K iMacs that people can hook their MacBooks up to.
For the work I wanna do on the road, I'm still gonna choose one of the updated MacBook airs over the MacBook. Wish the airs got retina displays, but I guess this is how they're gonna get more people to by the new MacBook. <sigh>
Personally, I'd rather have the power of the Air over the underpowered thinness of the MacBook. If I just wanted thin, I'd use my iPad mini while on the road.
Right now the MacBook is too limited power wise. But I understand this is how progress and change works....slow & steady.
I wonder when Apple will create a 5K Cinema Display that matches the new 5K iMacs that people can hook their MacBooks up to.
By this definition anything over 1 device is "a lot of things." Just connecting to AC and a monitor requires a dongle.
Well, Thunderbolt has probably failed. It wasn't meant to be Apple-only but it is in practice. At best its confined to a 'pro' niche who need the extra performance enough to pay over the odds. The argument has always been that Thunderbolt is for pros and isn't a competitor for USB 3 - which may be so, but the upshot of that is that, if you make something like the MacBook, that isn't intended as a pro machine, its Thunderbolt that has to go.
So Apple would need a slimline USB3 connector anyway, the old "standard" usb3 micro-connectors are completely fugly and not very micro (in fact, I don't think there *is* a USB3 Micro-A connector?) - it would also need to be some sort of 'standard' connector: you might get away with proprietary connectors like Lightning on a phone or tablet, but not on a laptop.
I'm not sure I could ever cope with the MacBook having one connector for everything - but six months down the line there should be a good range of cheap 3rd-party accessories to help. The pitfall will be if PC makers follow the Chromebook Pixel's lead and always fit two USB-C ports - in which case many of the 3rd party accessories will omit the all-important thru-port for your charger.
I don't know whether the magnets are in the MagSafe plug or the port (or both). If they are in the port, I wonder what the magnets would do to a data signal travelling within a millimetres distance.