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John Gruber: Apple Invented USB Type C
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Tablets are no good for programming, word processing, note taking, spreadsheets, or certain kinds of games, and they're not as good for web browsing. I mean, you CAN do all that if you really try, but at that point, you're working for the machine, not the other way around. I'd much rather have the MacBook.
Oh, I thought that was because Intel made the low power cool running low wattage chip.
So it was Apple that did it yes?
I see.
So when Microsoft use the same Intel chip for a fanless design, it will be Microsoft who created it. Yes?
I'm pretty sure Apple helped develop it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Description
That is correct, but you said "Apple made Thunderbolt and gave it to intel"
That would be like saying Samsung designed the Ax Cpu's and gave them to Apple or that Apple made blu ray and gave it to the Blu ray association.
A computer, like almost almost all products, is teamwork, Apple couldn't design and offer this MB without Intel producing those processors. There are other ultrabook designs out there with the same processor that do have a fan. So, merely putting this processor into any laptop won't allow that laptop to go fanless, the motherboard and case design needs to be able to act as a good enough heatsink (Apple using aluminium cases very likely helps or might even be crucial).
And there are fanless tablets with Intel (Atom) processors (ie, processors a notch down from the Intel Core M in terms of performance). So, part of the 'design' is also to create a package that does ok in performance with a given processor because if you were to ignore performance, designing a fanless computer is probably not that difficult.
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That is part of the commercial genius of Apple. They don't price stuff where most people are happy, they price stuff where it maximises their profits.
Is there a thunderbolt to usbC cord yet ? My external is thunderbolt n I'm looking to buy this computer when it comes out. Thought I can't figure out how I'm going to transfer my data to the computer
They could only create a workaround for the current Macs with two TB connectors. That excludes the 13" non-retina MBP and two MBAs. And it would exclude the wished-for MBA with retina screen (ie, the current MBAs upgraded with retina screens keeping their existing ports).
Yes, but I thought thunderbolt was also open? I've seen Surface uses it, but that's about it.
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I always love it when people claim exclusive meaning(s) for a certain word. In practice, the meaning of a given word is whatever it is used for with some minimum frequency. This gets particular entertaining when excluding the use of a certain word for some function or physical object is done for the mere purpose of making this function or object appear in a better light. It doesn't make squat difference for usability whether an object is called dongle or adapter.
Coming back to the word dongle. In computer terms it is used for stuff that is added and (usually) sticks out. USB memory sticks, if they serve as storage devices only, are normally not called dongles. Its origin might be the verb dangle, something that is attached but is flexible or at least is flexible at its attachment point. Merriam-Webster defines it as:
- a small device that plugs into a computer and serves as an adapter OR as a security measure to enable the use of certain software
Wikipedia concurs and includes adaptors as things the term dongle is used for.
Besides security and adaptors, it is also commonly used for stuff like wireless modems.
It can give insight into Apple's internal planning in regard to technologies it wants to use. If Apple 'invented' it, it could indicate that they thought alternatives to TB earlier then we previously might have assumed.
I follow you for many things here... But, web browsing? Tablets are great for web browsing. They're also pretty good for note taking if can use a good stylus on it.
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The initial meaning (1980s...) was hardware security for certain software. A true pain as often even with the dongle plugged in the software didn't detect it! Right now, I think there has been the meaning of an extra bit of hardware you need to add make something else work (so, a hardware assist has been added to the initial software assist sense).
But we all know that needing a headphone adaptor would have been ridiculed with equal measure (that doesn't necessarily mean that it would not have been a good idea, just that whenever there is something people can complain about, they will complain about).
The intention of the EU was to reduce the number of chargers landing up in landfills (or incinerators). Already decoupling the charger from the charging cable reduces the amount of material (and valuable metals) potentially ending up as waste by a very large amount. Thus Apple's chargers already fulfilled the EUs target to a large degree.
Secondly, while a regulation was proposed, the EU withdrew it after the industry signed an agreement among themselves to voluntary fulfil the requirements of the regulation, with the EU simply making it clear that if the industry were not to follow through, it would re-propose the regulation. And that agreement declared the use of an adaptor as being a sufficient solution as well. Whether Apple's products, where the cable constitutes an adaptor from USB-A to the phone, technically fulfil the idea of third-party chargers with a micro USB connector being able to charge Apple devices is something I do not know. In principle it is no problem to use a micro USB to female USB-A to achieve this, but such an adaptor is certainly not shipped with Apple products in Europe.
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Where first refers as used on a computer (not a tablet). It is not coincidence that Apple announced their computer a few hours before Google announced theirs. Google gave Apple that spot for some reason, which could very well be that Apple was one of the leading people behind USB-C.
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But once you add other innovations like water-free alcohol, the savings can add up to something noticeable.
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Which is why you would never say anything publicly that cannot be verified, even if some people would interested in here it.
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I'd say there is a correlation between (1) using your laptop away from your desk, (2) only having a charging cable plugged in and (3) the likelihood of the charging cable being in a location where people trip over.
IF we are talking about an iPad or Android tablet, then yes, bar the gaming as they have tons, and the web browsing. But those tablets are a lot cheaper too..
IF we consider the Surface Pro 3 tablet then....
Your wrong on all those points. If you read the Surface Pro 3 thread on here, you will see some people do use it for programming, so it must do alright for that task considering it's more powerful processor, plus it can play some pretty demanding games, may not be the highest FPS and the settings need to be turned down but it will play them, plenty of You Tube videos show that. And web browsing will be the same on the Surface Pro as the MacBook.
The new MacBook is worst then the Surface Pro 3 and will be worst then the 4. It has less features, is a lot less powerful, and costs more. All you are doing is paying for a fruit logo on Johny Ive's latest fashion accessory. But that's just my opinion.
Personally I would get a MacBook Pro for the same money.
You mean the worlds MOST EXPENSIVE 'Netbook', and so people shouldn't want to use their own mice then? Or connect the computer to a television. No, Apple wants to force them to buy an Apple TV.
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There have been computer with USB type C for over 2 months, Apple was not the first.
Not the first USB-C Product(Nokia), not the first USB-C computer(MSI), And not the first USB-C Laptop available (Chromebook).
Yes, they did. Yes, I do.
iPhone 5 Keynote. scrub to 25:12 when Phil Schiller introduces the Lightning connector.
He says for the next decade…
I mean clearly they'll have one connector eventually once they can incorporate Thunderbolt into Lightning. The Zeus connector. One connector to rule them all. (unless they wanna be dicks about it.)
PS: dicks doesn't **** out. hmm, interesting.
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John Gruber... he's got quite the game going on. Really? As old as he is? Right up their with Uncle Walt...heh!
I respect older people, one day we'll all be there, but to postulate as they are wont to do.
I respect older people, one day we'll all be there, but to postulate as they are wont to do.
Ok, I should have said 'first laptop' instead of 'first computer' (and that I meant 'announced' instead of 'available' should have been clear from the context).
its genius if they dont end up lowering the price. if its the original iphone or mba then i would say they got it wrong initially. i would suspect the price on this one will decrease.
if it starts happening more and more (lets say the new macbook and the watch) they risk a disconnect with the mass consumer.
In Fact
this is what the open standards advocates were saying Apple should do all along. So they do it-- and a good part of the pedigree is clear, and nobody, nowhere, has to pay anything for using it. I'm going to wait for a few seconds until I can figure out the negative reaction.
It would have spared us the mini-USB monstrosity, think of that!
this is what the open standards advocates were saying Apple should do all along. So they do it-- and a good part of the pedigree is clear, and nobody, nowhere, has to pay anything for using it. I'm going to wait for a few seconds until I can figure out the negative reaction.
It would have spared us the mini-USB monstrosity, think of that!