It's impossible for me to imagine Jobs approving something like the iOS Reachability function. That's such a contorted hack, any good designer would stop and think, "if I need something that stupid in my design, I've probably screwed up something pretty basic". For that matter, while there have been some nice upgrades in iOS7&8 functionality, the whole 'flat' look & feel to the UI is so puke-tastic and poorly functional, it's hard to imagine Jobs approving that either. iOS6 & previous really had visually easy to understand and one handed easy to operate nailed pretty good, just like a PHONE should. Like others have said, Jobs & Ives were an unbeatable team, but Ives without Jobs, well...
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Jony Ive Details Apple Design Process, iPhone 6 Design Choices in New Interview
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It's impossible for me to imagine Jobs approving something like the iOS Reachability function. That's such a contorted hack, any good designer would stop and think, "if I need something that stupid in my design, I've probably screwed up something pretty basic". For that matter, while there have been some nice upgrades in iOS7&8 functionality, the whole 'flat' look & feel to the UI is so puke-tastic and poorly functional, it's hard to imagine Jobs approving that either. iOS6 & previous really had visually easy to understand and one handed easy to operate nailed pretty good, just like a PHONE should. Like others have said, Jobs & Ives were an unbeatable team, but Ives without Jobs, well...
Apple is the master of self promotion, programming it's customers to follow Apples lead and it all works out. Apple builds it, customers money makes Apple the massive cash cow it is. So deeply in tune and emotionally connected with Apple they brag almost as though they're sharing in the profits.
Mercedes customers don't brag about that companies wealth, that's just one example of the deep emotional connection unique to Apple. It's quite the accomplishment.
Mercedes customers don't brag about that companies wealth, that's just one example of the deep emotional connection unique to Apple. It's quite the accomplishment.
So.... why did you allow the ugly antenna band?
Ok...who in the hell real cares about an antenna band anyway? My IP6+ has a soft case around it and I never see the antenna and I'm willing to bet that 99.99% of other iphone 6/6+ owners have some sort of case on their phone, again, never seeing the antenna. You're making an issue where there truly is none. Now get a life.
Every time I see that face, I get a sense of irritation rising up:
form ahead of form-plus-function
beauty ahead of practicality-plus-beauty
Why can't Apple offer matte, anti-glare screens for the substantial minority that need them? All to fit in with Ive's concept of a Mac being a work of art that has to be shiny.
Sure, the glossy colors are nicer, but I'm a writer, and I do not want to see any reflected image. That's what bugs me about Ive -- beauty ahead of beauty-plus-function.
Why can't Apple use the technology used in museum-glass to totally get rid of the reflections and glare? Why leave a bit of glare -- to produce the shiny reflections that help sell the Macs in the showroom?
form ahead of form-plus-function
beauty ahead of practicality-plus-beauty
Why can't Apple offer matte, anti-glare screens for the substantial minority that need them? All to fit in with Ive's concept of a Mac being a work of art that has to be shiny.
Sure, the glossy colors are nicer, but I'm a writer, and I do not want to see any reflected image. That's what bugs me about Ive -- beauty ahead of beauty-plus-function.
Why can't Apple use the technology used in museum-glass to totally get rid of the reflections and glare? Why leave a bit of glare -- to produce the shiny reflections that help sell the Macs in the showroom?
Ok...who in the hell real cares about an antenna band anyway? My IP6+ has a soft case around it and I never see the antenna and I'm willing to bet that 99.99% of other iphone 6/6+ owners have some sort of case on their phone, again, never seeing the antenna. You're making an issue where there truly is none. Now get a life.
I think your point would have more merit if Jony Ive wasn't forever walking around smugly talking about the amazing design, the awesome team, the huge amount of time and effort until they got it "right" etc etc.
The fanboys are always here making excuses for protruding lenses and ugly antenna bands (let alone bad ergonomics - opposing power and volume buttons that are often pressed together because that's how a human hand works). But if excuses are needed for these things then perhaps Apple shouldn't be so loud and proud about their current designs - it seems to me, judging by all the comments in this thread so far that we should all praise mediocre design blindly and not always push for better, Jony Ive should simply come out and say "We didn't give a crap about the back of the phone because most people will put it in a case anyway".
People who say they like those antenna bands are also either 1. Delusional, or 2. Liars. There's nothing from a design point of view that is appealing about them. They may be necessary but the implementation is not great.
Apple have always been about great design, they're slipping lately, the incredible attention to detail of the past seems to be going and still sticking to the original iPhone design and layout (many say they do so because it's iconic) isn't necessarily a good thing as the size of the product increases - huge bezels were good on the original iPhones because they made them fit in the hand better, as did the nicely curved back. Now they're starting to look "clunky" as Ive would say and if his team were as good as he says they'd realise this - the best Android phones have better design than the iPhones now, even the build quality is right up there. The iPhone design is really starting to date and needs a refresh.
Just an example of what I mean by Apple are slipping with design:
The iPhone 4 rear panel and camera. See how it sits (flush) with the radius in parallel with the outer edge of the phone, the flash sitting neatly in vertical alignment with the power button. Details, very nice design.
See the iPhone 6 rear panel and camera. Well...
While we're on the subject - those antenna bands (ugly, yes, they are whether you pretend to like them or not), remember the iPhone 5? The glass panels in the rear that were made to "microns" thick tolerances, to sit flush with the body? Again, not as nice as the 4 but still, they put the effort in. The iPhone 6? Thick, plastic dividers that you can easily feel the edge of with your fingers, where did the precision, the effort in design go?
The iPhone 4 rear panel and camera. See how it sits (flush) with the radius in parallel with the outer edge of the phone, the flash sitting neatly in vertical alignment with the power button. Details, very nice design.
See the iPhone 6 rear panel and camera. Well...
While we're on the subject - those antenna bands (ugly, yes, they are whether you pretend to like them or not), remember the iPhone 5? The glass panels in the rear that were made to "microns" thick tolerances, to sit flush with the body? Again, not as nice as the 4 but still, they put the effort in. The iPhone 6? Thick, plastic dividers that you can easily feel the edge of with your fingers, where did the precision, the effort in design go?
Amazing.So Anyone who doesn't agree with you is delusional or lying? And Ive is supposed to be proud of his design.He designed it meaning he likes it.
Nope, lots of people say they like the antenna bands - what exactly is there to like about that thick, grey plastic? The back of the 6 looks like a prototype, I gave an example picture. I'm not even trolling - those bands are ugly, there isn't anything about them appealing and I've not heard anyone give a positive reason as to why they like them. Personal taste and all that but I'm sorry, if you like them then your taste is poor, they don't do anything positive for the visual design and I'm pretty sure that anyone being honest would agree with that.
Ive can be proud of whatever he likes but I'm sure he knows that the iPhone 6 isn't his best work simply due to the amount of compromise in it.
please show me one person here who wants it to be that thin.
and then please tell me how many people would rather want a 6.9mm iphone with bigger battery??
The overexposure of Ive continues. Not particularly well-spoken, odd, indecisive arm movements, meandering manner of speaking. He could use a teleprompter. Better yet, don't make him Apple's main spokesman.
So how did the ipad with the vertical video stereo system get approved and what banana approved hard soldered macbook pro laptops? Both of those are design decisions from the school of the epically ungifted!!! My late parrot could have made a better decision!!
Ex staff talk about the culture of Apple and it is not moonbeams and rainbows and free coffee, it is a brutal regime, and one of fear, staff fear for their jobs/careers, so I do not for 1 second believe a word Jony or any VP says..
Ex staff talk about the culture of Apple and it is not moonbeams and rainbows and free coffee, it is a brutal regime, and one of fear, staff fear for their jobs/careers, so I do not for 1 second believe a word Jony or any VP says..
For some reason, I have always though that iPhone 6 is NOT Jony's design.So.... why did you allow the ugly antenna band?
I think he was too busy designing Apple Watch to notice the crap behind the scenes design of iPhone 6 - NOT his design to begin with...
BTW; I've got one (iPhone 6) and it looks really cheap next to my iPhone 5S
For some reason, I have always though that iPhone 6 is NOT Jony's design.
I think he was too busy designing Apple Watch to notice the crap behind the scenes design of iPhone 6 - NOT his design to begin with...
BTW; I've got one (iPhone 6) and it looks really cheap next to my iPhone 5S
I do feel the watch has had a bit of an impact on things, stretching the staff resources a little and it seems to be all Apple talk about now (I get it, it's something they've got to hype up), the iPhone's seem to be a bit of an afterthought at present.
Come on, who for 1 second believes that how Jony explains how things happen at Apple is how it really is, anyone that has worked in a creative environment knows that when you have a hotshot VP like Mr Ive, he will not allow for anyone to be better than his ideas are..
No one has left voluntary, the question how many were fired for daring to question Mr Ive.. I know that had I been on the team I would have asked what the [redacted] is the audio is so stupid...
Mr Ive is a diva of epic proportion, it is his way or the highway.. The last great idea from Mr Ive was the iphone v1, everything since is a joke, the new iphone 6 is a boring rehash of almost 10 year old technology.. The same boring shape, the same boring technology, without any expansion slots, expensive and stupid!
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It is thin, as the design tends towards thinness, not thickness...If Mr Ive was designing tanks for the US Army, where the thicker the better, then we would be thinking 6.9mm thin is too thin, we want 690mm thick armour!!!
No one has left voluntary, the question how many were fired for daring to question Mr Ive.. I know that had I been on the team I would have asked what the [redacted] is the audio is so stupid...
Mr Ive is a diva of epic proportion, it is his way or the highway.. The last great idea from Mr Ive was the iphone v1, everything since is a joke, the new iphone 6 is a boring rehash of almost 10 year old technology.. The same boring shape, the same boring technology, without any expansion slots, expensive and stupid!
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It is thin, as the design tends towards thinness, not thickness...If Mr Ive was designing tanks for the US Army, where the thicker the better, then we would be thinking 6.9mm thin is too thin, we want 690mm thick armour!!!
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Ok...who in the hell real cares about an antenna band anyway? My IP6+ has a soft case around it and I never see the antenna and I'm willing to bet that 99.99% of other iphone 6/6+ owners have some sort of case on their phone, again, never seeing the antenna. You're making an issue where there truly is none. Now get a life.
Correct me if I’m wrong but one of the most important differences between Apple and the competition used to be that their products were perfectly finished from any angle at which you looked at them.
My first was a PowerMacG4 MDD and I remember somebody saying the inside of my computer looked better than the outside of most others. I was in full agreement with this.
My car pleases me when I sit inside it and also when I see it on a driveway. Now I also think it looks nice and tidy when I open the bonnet and the boot. This is attention to detail that has been lost on the iP6.
‘Oh yeah just put it in a case’, great.
From an aesthetic perspective it’s the difference between having to put it in a case and choosing to put it in a case.
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I'm not sure why you would think that, but if he is, then he certainly deserved the right to be one.
If thats pointed at me I disagree.
If you buy something really cheap like a single Banana do you say How much does that cost", or How little does that cost?.
Similarly, a three year old child, which is it ...
How old are you Jony?, or How young are you Jony?
Apple have let the meaningless double talk get the better of them, and you it would seem.
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I think its all persona for the media. He does come across that way though I doubt he is like that in real life.
I think thats what people need to see and understand that for certain levels of success there are usually trade offs. Sacrifice can sometimes show how determined someone is on reaching their goals.
I don't care. The protruding camera and the 'antenna bands' are ugly ugly ugly. The least good-looking iPhone ever made.
Oh Jony, why have you comited all your design resources to Apple Watch and forget iPhone 6...?!
What a shame... As it is, iPhone 6 looks and feels like crap next to 5S
What a shame... As it is, iPhone 6 looks and feels like crap next to 5S
Just an example of what I mean by Apple are slipping with design:
The iPhone 4 rear panel and camera. See how it sits (flush) with the radius in parallel with the outer edge of the phone, the flash sitting neatly in vertical alignment with the power button. Details, very nice design.
Image
See the iPhone 6 rear panel and camera. Well...
Image
While we're on the subject - those antenna bands (ugly, yes, they are whether you pretend to like them or not), remember the iPhone 5? The glass panels in the rear that were made to "microns" thick tolerances, to sit flush with the body? Again, not as nice as the 4 but still, they put the effort in. The iPhone 6? Thick, plastic dividers that you can easily feel the edge of with your fingers, where did the precision, the effort in design go?
Yep - the iPhone 4 was truly a wonder industrial design, it just screamed premium top to bottom. The attention to detail, the materials - nothing else was like it. I remember queuing with a friend at the Apple Store on day of release, when I got it home and took it out the box... I could not believe it was a phone, it was far too beautiful and incredibly well made. My 3GS just felt, tacky, in-comparison.
The iPhone 6 - sadly, it does nothing for me from a design perspective. I recently upgraded from my iPhone 5 to the Xperia Z3, (which I think is a superb design too btw, really well made and it has an incredible premium feel to it) first time I have gone Android as I have had every iPhone bar the 4S & 5S since 2008. It's a bit of an experiment and if I want to go back to an iPhone I can do so in 6 months time, no problem at all.