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How about letting go of the static 4X7 grid of icons and let developers put active content directly on the home screen? Give the customer choices as to what they want to emphasize. I use four or five apps almost exclusively. Let me see my email headers, messages, current weather, and upcoming calendar events on the home screen. Widgets are a stopgap measure that should have transitioned to active content before now.

This has to happen. The hardware is amazing, but after a decade it's just the same reskinned UI. I would love a dynamic home page designed by me so I can see relevant info at a glance.

Like Windows Mobile as a rough example.
 
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Well to be fair the design didn’t change from the 6 to 8, and people are up in smoke screaming. They changed the design for the X and people are still screaming. No one is ever happy.

I was extremely happy from 2007-2013, until the iOS got too minimalist and the iPhones/computers started removing user-interface hardware features. I can't be the only one.

You're right though; someone is always going to scream...

Things are OK still in iPhone & macbook land because users like me who like hardware flexibility can still buy items with headphone jacks, home buttons, magsafe ports, etc. There will soon come a time that those convenient user-interface items will be gone *and* Jony will have run out of hardware features & software/UI features to remove. That will be interesting times...
 
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Dear Johnny,
I hate face ID. It fails at least 30% of the time even after many re-trains. The truth is this:

You needed an edge-to-edge display because the Android guys were killing in there and you couldn't figure out how to get touch ID under the display so you gave us this other garbage instead.

Dont get me wrong, I love the iPhone X. I have no problem what-so-ever with the notch, but face ID is pure (provenly insecure) crap.
so much nonsense here. Nothing about FaceID has been “proven” insecure besides the videos of FAMILY unlocking phones without showing setup.

Edge to edge Android phones were still being handily outsold by iPhone.
 
Absolutely mind boggling that someone can keep their job after designing the notch, which is not only ugly and hated by 99% of users, but also required an API change and for developers to adopt it. Only Apple.

"I don't like the notch so 99% of iPhone X owners agree with me on this."

Oh the sheer stupidity of such assumption. I own the iPhone X and I don't notice the notch at all.
 
Remove the headphone jack that so many people still want, and keep the slow charging lightning cable/cube.
 
So you just want to be able to move them to positions that aren't aligned? That would make them more cluttered. There are already folders and pages. There's no need for further control over where exactly you put the icons. And there are already widgets, just in a dedicated screen so the app pages aren't cluttered.

All I'm saying is that the option to move around apps would be nice. If you don't want to use it then fine, don't use it. But its pretty pathetic that a basic function of a desktop OS, where you can move an app/shortcut anywhere you want (which then snaps to an aligned grid structure) can't be implemented on iOS. This was an early hack in the jailbreak community, so the desire is there for this functionality.
 
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They always do this “we only want to make the best possible product, and we don’t care about price” BS... but then you look at their Mac lineup and see a 4 year old Mac Pro, 3 year old mini, 2.5 year old MacBook airs, and iMacs with spinning hard drives. (I also hate the MacBooks and MacBook Pros with all the ports removed, but at least that one is a matter of opinion.)

Actually put out a terrific Mac lineup, and then we can talk about how it’s all about the best possible user experience.
 
Shouldn't be strange, considering the cost of FaceID...and the cost of a $140 display vs. a $50 display. Look at the 8 Plus....

Except that is literally not what he said. Look again at the quote. He said it costs more because of processing power. Reading, yo.
 
Apple will figure out a way to blend the notch along with TouchID within the glass. Once the camera isn't within use it will create the image above the camera lenses. Just watch!!! I believe 2019 is the iPhone that it will happen...
 
Absolutely is. Just wait for the numbers. The shipping dates are not going up from productions increases, it's lack of demand post initial feeding frenzy. :apple:

Loving my Touch ID 8 Plus. :rolleyes:

i suspect youre correct. For me the X is too physically small, and after thinking about it, it's not worth the extra money (especially when the deals start coming, like the Sams club one for 8+ at $500!) when the X is not exactly what I like which would be an X Plus size phone.
 
Sorry not once did I think when using Touch ID “man there is a better way to do this” they will try to spin it anyway they can Apples new logic is to remove features to be innovative not invent features to be innovative it’s all about $$$ what’s the iPhone x2 going to do remove the speakers because “courage” who needs speakers when clearly Bluetooth is the future ....
 
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All I'm saying is that the option to move around apps would be nice. If you don't want to use it then fine, don't use it. But its pretty pathetic that a basic function of a desktop OS, where you can move an app/shortcut anywhere you want (which then snaps to an aligned grid structure) can't be implemented on iOS. This was an early hack in the jailbreak community, so the desire is there for this functionality.
The same reason why iOS after 11 iterations still does not have a number row on the keyboard instead it just has an inch of dead space on the bottom of the X.....
 
NOT On equals NOT Off is not a failure. it‘s "the better way"
 
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After naming the iPhone X as one of the 25 Best Inventions of the Year, TIME sat down for an interview about the smartphone with Apple's design chief Jony Ive and hardware engineering chief Dan Riccio.

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Riccio believes the iPhone X paves the way for the next 10 years of smartphones, given its radical redesign with a nearly edge to edge display, no home button, and advanced cameras for facial recognition and augmented reality.

"There were these extraordinarily complex problems that needed to be solved," said Ive. "Paying attention to what's happened historically actually helps give you some faith that you are going to find a solution."

That history includes, in part, Apple removing the headphone jack on the iPhone 7 last year, parting ways with the built-in disc drive on the MacBook Pro after 2012, and ditching the floppy drive on the iMac G3 in 1998.

"I actually think the path of holding onto features that have been effective, the path of holding onto those whatever the cost, is a path that leads to failure," said Ive. "And in the short term, it's the path that feels less risky and it's the path that feels more secure."

Ive acknowledged that it's not always easy for Apple to move past a feature or technology when it believes there's a "better way," and it's easy to see his point given the controversy that each change has generated.

Apple was criticized by a fair number of customers for removing the headphone jack on the iPhone last year, for example, and even competitors like Google and Samsung used it as an opportunity to poke fun at Apple.

After time, however, many customers usually learn to adapt. Google even removed the headphone jack on the Pixel 2 this year.

iPhone X is the most expensive iPhone ever, with a starting price of $999 in the United States, which Ive said is the "financial consequence" of "integrating the sheer amount of processing power into such a small device."

"Our goal is always to provide what we think is the best product possible, not always the lowest cost," added Riccio.

Despite being expensive, the iPhone X appears to be off to a successful start given sales estimates, and Apple's forecast for an all-time revenue record this quarter. Orders placed today are still backlogged by 2-3 weeks.

Article Link: Jony Ive Says Holding Onto Features When There's a 'Better Way' is 'Path That Leads to Failure'

Please tell me how holding onto the headphone jack is a path that leads to failure.
 
I know I know, you get used to it after a couple days. Doesn’t change the fact it’s ugly as hell. Adding a small bezel along the top that’s half the height of current notch to house the new tech would’ve been better.

That's your opinion. Many people, myself (and the Apple design team) included, prefer the notch look over the full length bezel. (side note: they could not have made it half the height based on the size of the IR/camera components.) It still has symmetry at the corners, and I happen to think the OLED screen perfectly following the curves of the physical device at all four corners looks damn sweet-- way better than the mismatched screen/bezel/body curves on most android phones. Also it would have looked incredibly generic and boring had they gone with a full-length bezel. The notch is functional, iconic, and simply the logical choice given their limitations + goal, which was always to have as much of the front of the device covered by screen as possible.

Dear Johnny,
I hate face ID. It fails at least 30% of the time even after many re-trains. The truth is this:

You needed an edge-to-edge display because the Android guys were killing in there and you couldn't figure out how to get touch ID under the display so you gave us this other garbage instead.

Dont get me wrong, I love the iPhone X. I have no problem what-so-ever with the notch, but face ID is pure (provenly insecure) crap.

You probably got a lemon if it's failing 30% of the time. I literally never have a single failure with mine, even in direct sunlight like some people report. I absolutely love Face ID and could never see myself reverting back to Touch ID.
 
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Please tell me how holding onto the headphone jack is a path that leads to failure.

Amen. Why is the obvious comment about "good design" so invisible to the genius designer. Let Jony keep giving more each year by removing more each year. Just wait a few years and see how fun an iPhone is to use across ages/types of users.
 
So why do Apple hold on to the iPad Mini 4 instead of releasing an iPad Mini Pro?

Why hold onto the widely panned Mac Tube Pro instead of introducing something new and better?

I call BS, Ive!
 
Funny to see all the armchair designers in here. For those that question his choices (such as the move to FaceID and away from TouchID), we'd love to see your track record displaying selling millions of devices and being key to build the richest company in the world. Doesn't even have to be that impressive. At least prove you work in the industry and aren't a janitor telling everyone else how to build a space ship.
What’s wrong with janitors.
 
And Tim Cook says "Paying corporate taxes to the country that I live in not to mention the country whose legal system I use to defend my patents is 'Path that leads to failure.'"
 
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