Jony Ive Was Involved in the New M1 iMac Design, Despite Leaving Apple in 2019

[nihil0]

Black computers and/or bezels ”look more pro” to whom, exactly? I looked at a list of monitors priced below $100 on Amazon just now. Guess what? They ALL have black bezels. Look how PRO these cheap junk monitors are!

Amazon.com: $50 To $100 - Computer Monitors / Computers & Accessories: Electronics

Online shopping from a great selection at Electronics Store.

www.amazon.com

Many Mac-using “pros” are creative professionals. You know, people who “think different” from time to time.

Sorry but the 24 inch mac looks like candy in a store not a pro or prosumer computer. Take a look at current 27-inch iMacs or iMac Pro. It has also black bezels. Does that look to you like cheap junk monitor? Cause to me it looks more expensive than candy bars.

 

[DeepIn2U]

What design? It looks the same but thinner for no godly reason other than Ive has issues.

For no godly reason should the sum of all the parts NEED for it to be bigger, other than you have issues (specific to thin computing products).
See what perception does?

 

[nihil0]

Ah yes. Because actually being technically suitable for a professional work load is irrelevant.


Looking like you're a professional based on <checks notes... double checks> the colour of your computer is apparently what's more important.


I mean.. I guess if you just want to look like a pro, but have no idea what types of things "professionals" do, the specs are more than sufficient to..... complain about something on MacRumors I guess?

Every Apple product is foremostly based on design. Why do you think they made Imac Pro Space grey and not pink? So it looks that it is not meant to be used by hipster in coffee shop or stay at home mom. But by a pro.

Anyway, I was talking purely about design in my post not about the specs.

Also... yes I believe that complaining is one of many reasons why discussion forums exist

 

[DeepIn2U]

I agree. Most Youtubers are not even journalists or haven't studied anything. They just express their personal opinions, nothing else.

Exactly, heck they think ‘workflow’ means your component setup alone or aesthetics - NOT the actual work you do and stages for each act in your work - as the word properly defines.

You’d figure with all the Mac’s, iPhones, and iPads gifted to them - or that they purchased/owned they’d at LEAST use the built-in Lookup function/feature.

(Just another gripe I’ve had with ‘YouTube social influencers’ influencing senseless junk like hey subscribe and follow - BEFORE actually earning it in every video).

 

[bmustaf]

I didn't buy one before I learned this because the aesthetic didn't appeal to me (which doesn't mean it doesn't appeal to others, more power to folks who are loving it!). And, learning Ive had a hand in it does not surprise me.

Ive did some great things, he also pushed Apple to compromise its "Pro" products in the pursuit of almost monastic minimalism in size & ports.

Besides the current M1 SoC being limited 16GB RAM (not an Ive issue), I didn't bite on this round of M1 iMacs because the aesthetic just doesn't seem innovative to me.

In my book (especially on a desktop machine) thickness (or thinness) just doesn't matter beyond a certain point, and I never have found the iMac to be "too thick".

I'd rather see more thickness and lose the chin and have a near edge-to-edge display, that's an aesthetic that I personally would like more. Fancy power cable on a desk-bound machine? Meh. I see it once when I plug it in and once when I unplug it before I sell it, not impressed by the design elements (and compromises) that this stuff drives when things of real value get left on the editing room floor.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Because they make review videos for a living? It’s not like you need any certification to be a reviewer, its literally just an opinion.

Sorry but no. making videos for a supposed ‘living’ is not what they do solely - heck even the youtube king Marques Brownlee has his own business that makes the MOST of his income.

Anyone can make a video and upload on YouTube. It’s about the words they choose, the meaning of the words (workflow is thrown around so many by all of them, including Marques - yet how they use the word has nothing to do wth the words definition), the presentation of the video itself.

Plastering benchmarks, slapping click-bait tag lines/hashtags like “Game Over“, “x kills x”, “x destroys x” or “iOS 15 The end of FaceBook” is not editorial nor is even what people should place merit into usefulness of the video. Many make statements claiming as ‘fact’ yet never link (or even THINK) to link the source documentation/URL etc.

There is such complaints of TouchBar (like in these forums), or the butterfly keyboard - yet so much of their speaches is based on what the internet states. There is no correlation to:

Butterfly keyboard:
Touch typing speeds, relevance to key travel comparison to other computers in the class that compete - not just the older MBPs/MB’s. I believe only 2 tubers did this, even 1 having an interview with Apple staff.

TouchBar:
What the intended purpose and direction of this technology was aimed to be?
Why the HELL was emoji’s used as something to show off this? What was the consensus internally in choosing this?
What developers did they speak to? Programmers, hardware designers, media content writers (New York Times, etc, not YouTubers).

Where is the comparison of work that is typically done on an M1 vs just running specs?
- how does Word/Outlook launch?
- what is the performance for SFTP/FTP access,
(these apps yes don’t tend to increase in performance for the last 2 decades but man that god awful splash screen from Microsoft takes forever even on Core i7 Win10 machines - so for me I’m curious if this was reduced. Doesn’t seem important, yet NOBODY can use any MS Office app without that splash screen completing - it’s frustrating For an app that is so often used in an office daily. Are there issues with Plug-in compatibility??

- what is the performance of a DB instance or editing queries etc in say MongoDB?
- what is the performance of Music creation - here I‘d like to see what Jonathan (YouTuber) elaborate on this. He showed this on the 2020 Mac Pro - and you can tell HE KNOWS his stuff - he works with this to some degree - yet STILL featured more advance professionals that can really push the Mac Pro to his limits. It was a good video to watch, opinions yes but real world facts of usage!
- Typically we see a workflow of videos being edited in FCP, but the work within seems (I don’t know) very minimal or basic - I have to believe that it’s processor and RAM/Storage intensive ; storage I get. BUT it’s 100% of the time an IMPORT of work already done.

^ WHERE is the RAW video, the import the first Time into FCP, the steps and edits done, layering splicing, blah blah … I want to see ALL the edits before final rendering. THAT is a workflow that people should get to see - to see the time it takes to make such edits then to final processing. I get the limits would be the knowledge and creativity of the reviewer but would be worth it. Schiller/Jobs combo would at least have scripts run to show every step in such a process when comparing against older Mac’s or even competing PC’s and you’d have a good idea of the work that goes into it all.

THAT is a review. Notebookcheck site does great reviews without the need for videos.
But I get many youth don’t have attention spans like generations before and need rapid info or get bored.

 

[LonestarOne]

Is that why it still has the massive chin? Or why it's thin to the point of being impractical, while still coming on a stand that only has tilt adjust?

No, it has the “massive” chin because that’s where the computer is located. Without the chin, all you would have would be a display.

that’s all you can find to complain about, Apple did a very good job.

 

[cmaier]

The most obvious reason that the keyboard can be charged and used at the same time is that the keyboard doesn’t move while in use, so the cable will not get damaged. The same is obviously not true for the mouse. It’s simple enough really.

You know, there was a time when all mice moved, and all mice had cables, and they didn’t get damaged, and it was all fine.

 

[cmaier]

No, it has the “massive” chin because that’s where the computer is located. Without the chin, all you would have would be a display.

that’s all you can find to complain about, Apple did a very good job.

Of course if they made the machine thicker, even just for a small part it (e.g. near where it attaches to the stand), then the computer could have been behind the screen.

I like the design, but the chin isn’t a necessity - it’s a design choice (and one I happen to like).

 

[LonestarOne]

Just make it thin... so thin it's not deep enough for an ethernet port... and anyway, nobody will notice we built a desktop computer needing a power brick...

And if it didn’t have a power brick, people would scream even louder about the size of the “chin”.

The more minor the complaint, the louder people scream.

 

[Pearple]

This post is ridiculous. Part of Jobs’ strength was picking good people.

Jobs strength was firing bad people. And the people involved in the design and engineering of the M1 iMac should have been fired. The controversy we now have about this faulty product is already proof enough...

Who did complain when the first "lamp" iMac came out? Or the first white all flat iMac? Or the first aluminum ones? No one! Because they were insanely great products of their time. They weren't TOYS.

I give it 3-4 years, then we will have the iOS - MacOS merger and you won't be able to do sh.. with your brand new computer without Apple's consent...

 

[Naraxus]

Trying to make devices thinner doesn’t “inevitably” lead to bad design. It pushes the envelope forward. If we were all happy with mainframes, why make personal computers? Why make laptops? If they didn’t miniaturize, we never would have iPhones or any small electronics for that matter.

Apple Industrial Design Group | MoMA

American

www.moma.org

It absolutely does. That's why Apple laptops have been worst-in-class for years with inferrior chips, improper thermals, lack of ports and a universally despised keyboard.

 

[petvas]

Sorry but no. making videos for a supposed ‘living’ is not what they do solely - heck even the youtube king Marques Brownlee has his own business that makes the MOST of his income.

Anyone can make a video and upload on YouTube. It’s about the words they choose, the meaning of the words (workflow is thrown around so many by all of them, including Marques - yet how they use the word has nothing to do wth the words definition), the presentation of the video itself.

Plastering benchmarks, slapping click-bait tag lines/hashtags like “Game Over“, “x kills x”, “x destroys x” or “iOS 15 The end of FaceBook” is not editorial nor is even what people should place merit into usefulness of the video. Many make statements claiming as ‘fact’ yet never link (or even THINK) to link the source documentation/URL etc.

There is such complaints of TouchBar (like in these forums), or the butterfly keyboard - yet so much of their speaches is based on what the internet states. There is no correlation to:

Butterfly keyboard:
Touch typing speeds, relevance to key travel comparison to other computers in the class that compete - not just the older MBPs/MB’s. I believe only 2 tubers did this, even 1 having an interview with Apple staff.

TouchBar:
What the intended purpose and direction of this technology was aimed to be?
Why the HELL was emoji’s used as something to show off this? What was the consensus internally in choosing this?
What developers did they speak to? Programmers, hardware designers, media content writers (New York Times, etc, not YouTubers).

Where is the comparison of work that is typically done on an M1 vs just running specs?
- how does Word/Outlook launch?
- what is the performance for SFTP/FTP access,
(these apps yes don’t tend to increase in performance for the last 2 decades but man that god awful splash screen from Microsoft takes forever even on Core i7 Win10 machines - so for me I’m curious if this was reduced. Doesn’t seem important, yet NOBODY can use any MS Office app without that splash screen completing - it’s frustrating For an app that is so often used in an office daily. Are there issues with Plug-in compatibility??

- what is the performance of a DB instance or editing queries etc in say MongoDB?
- what is the performance of Music creation - here I‘d like to see what Jonathan (YouTuber) elaborate on this. He showed this on the 2020 Mac Pro - and you can tell HE KNOWS his stuff - he works with this to some degree - yet STILL featured more advance professionals that can really push the Mac Pro to his limits. It was a good video to watch, opinions yes but real world facts of usage!
- Typically we see a workflow of videos being edited in FCP, but the work within seems (I don’t know) very minimal or basic - I have to believe that it’s processor and RAM/Storage intensive ; storage I get. BUT it’s 100% of the time an IMPORT of work already done.

^ WHERE is the RAW video, the import the first Time into FCP, the steps and edits done, layering splicing, blah blah … I want to see ALL the edits before final rendering. THAT is a workflow that people should get to see - to see the time it takes to make such edits then to final processing. I get the limits would be the knowledge and creativity of the reviewer but would be worth it. Schiller/Jobs combo would at least have scripts run to show every step in such a process when comparing against older Mac’s or even competing PC’s and you’d have a good idea of the work that goes into it all.

THAT is a review. Notebookcheck site does great reviews without the need for videos.
But I get many youth don’t have attention spans like generations before and need rapid info or get bored.

People are just bored very fast and want to watch something instead of reading. NotebookCheck makes indeed good reviews. I would also like to see Ars Technica and Anandtech review the new iMac. They both write useful reviews and I hope they come out soon.

 

[bmustaf]

Industrial design experts disagree. The Museum of Modern Art disagrees. Millions of happy Mac and iPhone users disagree.

Trying to make devices thinner doesn’t “inevitably” lead to bad design. It pushes the envelope forward. If we were all happy with mainframes, why make personal computers? Why make laptops? If they didn’t miniaturize, we never would have iPhones or any small electronics for that matter.

Apple Industrial Design Group | MoMA

American

www.moma.org

The law of diminishing returns is a thing. Your example of mainframe -> personal computer is not even close to relevant when it comes to .01” between iMac generations. Especially when usability is *hampered* to attain form factor that does not enable different usage patterns.

When form factor innovation allows repackaging and making more things possible, that’s one thing, when it’s just “thinner” so the keynote this year introducing the machines can tout “thinner” and it is actually losing functionality, that‘s how you get millions of unhappy Mac and iPhone users.

I’m happy the (mostly) post-Ive Apple has accepted that the higher end of their products may need to get a bit thicker, heavier, etc to provide a few more ports, better displays, and actual functionality, because in the “Pro” line up the Ive-obsession with “thin” and “minimal” didn’t push any envelopes forward, it actually regressed actual functionality and committed themselves to designs for the next 4-5 year of the product cycle that were thermally constrained from the get-go let alone have any headroom.

 

[Pearple]

And by the way, no upgradable CPU, RAM or SSD means, that this soldered garbage is rising Apple's CO2-Footprint to new heights. This use-and-throw-away computer is Apple's crime to humanity.

 

[Steve Adams]

Poor example - the Chevette fixed most of the problems of the Vega.

Still didn't make it good.

 

[SuperMatt]

Sorry but the 24 inch mac looks like candy in a store not a pro or prosumer computer. Take a look at current 27-inch iMacs or iMac Pro. It has also black bezels. Does that look to you like cheap junk monitor? Cause to me it looks more expensive than candy bars.

Not much of a counter-argument in this post. On one side, we compared the cheapest monitors available, and on the other hand we’ve got…candy? The point seems to have been missed completely. Black does not make something “more pro” in any way. It’s just a color. It doesn’t make the computer faster.

 

[citysnaps]

And by the way, no upgradable CPU, RAM or SSD means, that this soldered garbage is rising Apple's CO2-Footprint to new heights. This use-and-throw-away computer is Apple's crime to humanity.

Shiver me timbers…Apple’s crime to humanity! Preparations at The Hague are now underway.

 

[SuperMatt]

Yeah god forbid you want to get the photos off your camera or plug in a printer without having to buy docks, adapters or new cables...

Yeah, where is the parallel port for my printer? I need ADB ports for my old Apple Extended keyboard and my Turbo Mouse too. It’s also missing a floppy drive. EPIC FAIL.

 

[hot-gril]

Both one button mouses were designed to work in Gui where right click wasn’t essential. All right click menu items were and ARE accessible from the menu bar unlike other Oses . This is a fundamental element of the classic Mac OS design philosophy

They aren't always. For example, "pin conversation" in Messages. Even if they were, it's way faster to right click than to search through 2-4 different menus for what you want. Option-click is available for that purpose, and the OS supports right click well too.

Based on the current hardware and defaults, where mice/trackpads support right click but it's non-default, it seems like Apple wants to allow right click for experts but discourage relying on it for average users. If so, I agree with that approach.

 

[SuperMatt]

Jobs strength was firing bad people. And the people involved in the design and engineering of the M1 iMac should have been fired. The controversy we now have about this faulty product is already proof enough...

Who did complain when the first "lamp" iMac came out? Or the first white all flat iMac? Or the first aluminum ones? No one! Because they were insanely great products of their time. They weren't TOYS.

I give it 3-4 years, then we will have the iOS - MacOS merger and you won't be able to do sh.. with your brand new computer without Apple's consent...

This forum goes back many years. Feel free to go back and read the complaints about the iMac G4 and iMac G5 and the first Intel iMacs.

I find it incredible that some folks cannot express their dislike for the iMac without insisting that it is junk or a toy or a flawed design, and that everybody should hate it and they are dumb if they like it. Also, spreading lies such as claiming nobody complained about the older iMacs tends to have a negative effect on one’s credibility.

There is no “controversy” concerning this iMac. Just a handful of very vocal people that dislike it and are going ballistic over something they supposedly will never buy.

Funny enough, the fallacy that colorful products cannot be powerful might lead some to buy underpowered machines just to avoid a bit of color in their lives.

 

[kmj2318]

The colours are not him though.

Someone doesn’t remember ios7. Or the pink chinos.

 

[Shasterball]

Lol exactly will they suddenly hate on it now?

Oh, this hate isn't sudden! Ive made everything more complicated than it needed to me. And, he made SURE you knew HE was involved. rollin' 'dem eyes

 

[boss.king]

Sorry but no. making videos for a supposed ‘living’ is not what they do solely - heck even the youtube king Marques Brownlee has his own business that makes the MOST of his income.

Anyone can make a video and upload on YouTube. It’s about the words they choose, the meaning of the words (workflow is thrown around so many by all of them, including Marques - yet how they use the word has nothing to do wth the words definition), the presentation of the video itself.

Plastering benchmarks, slapping click-bait tag lines/hashtags like “Game Over“, “x kills x”, “x destroys x” or “iOS 15 The end of FaceBook” is not editorial nor is even what people should place merit into usefulness of the video. Many make statements claiming as ‘fact’ yet never link (or even THINK) to link the source documentation/URL etc.

There is such complaints of TouchBar (like in these forums), or the butterfly keyboard - yet so much of their speaches is based on what the internet states. There is no correlation to:

Butterfly keyboard:
Touch typing speeds, relevance to key travel comparison to other computers in the class that compete - not just the older MBPs/MB’s. I believe only 2 tubers did this, even 1 having an interview with Apple staff.

TouchBar:
What the intended purpose and direction of this technology was aimed to be?
Why the HELL was emoji’s used as something to show off this? What was the consensus internally in choosing this?
What developers did they speak to? Programmers, hardware designers, media content writers (New York Times, etc, not YouTubers).

Where is the comparison of work that is typically done on an M1 vs just running specs?
- how does Word/Outlook launch?
- what is the performance for SFTP/FTP access,
(these apps yes don’t tend to increase in performance for the last 2 decades but man that god awful splash screen from Microsoft takes forever even on Core i7 Win10 machines - so for me I’m curious if this was reduced. Doesn’t seem important, yet NOBODY can use any MS Office app without that splash screen completing - it’s frustrating For an app that is so often used in an office daily. Are there issues with Plug-in compatibility??

- what is the performance of a DB instance or editing queries etc in say MongoDB?
- what is the performance of Music creation - here I‘d like to see what Jonathan (YouTuber) elaborate on this. He showed this on the 2020 Mac Pro - and you can tell HE KNOWS his stuff - he works with this to some degree - yet STILL featured more advance professionals that can really push the Mac Pro to his limits. It was a good video to watch, opinions yes but real world facts of usage!
- Typically we see a workflow of videos being edited in FCP, but the work within seems (I don’t know) very minimal or basic - I have to believe that it’s processor and RAM/Storage intensive ; storage I get. BUT it’s 100% of the time an IMPORT of work already done.

^ WHERE is the RAW video, the import the first Time into FCP, the steps and edits done, layering splicing, blah blah … I want to see ALL the edits before final rendering. THAT is a workflow that people should get to see - to see the time it takes to make such edits then to final processing. I get the limits would be the knowledge and creativity of the reviewer but would be worth it. Schiller/Jobs combo would at least have scripts run to show every step in such a process when comparing against older Mac’s or even competing PC’s and you’d have a good idea of the work that goes into it all.

THAT is a review. Notebookcheck site does great reviews without the need for videos.
But I get many youth don’t have attention spans like generations before and need rapid info or get bored.

I didn’t say they were good reviewers, just that they makes money from making reviews. That’s the only thing that defines a professional reviewer.

 

[allan.nyholm]

Me, I'm hoping that somebody'll donate a Tesla AND BMW to me. Because I want electric AND gas powered vehicles. Oh, and I'd like to have a garage big enough for both. Thanks!

Awwwww, snap... I guess we have a quarrel going on I hope you know that you can't defragment your SCSI hard disk drive if you only have a Tesla or a BMW.

Also, I'm not against the design of the 24" M1 iMac. I hope that was understood too

We don't need individual straight jackets. We need enough for whole comments forums at a time!

I see that we have a great deal of people willing to take Tim Cook's hand in marriage. It's fine if people are gay. It seems that they too have rights now. Good on them.
edit.. let me say that I'll let my comments stay here, but I'll also let you know that I'm aware that my type humor doesn't stand up against the Internet People.
IRL I'm most negative, but positive too; when I go to sleep. Then in the mornings/late afternoon it begins again. I use sarcasm more than I should - the comments here is a testament to that fact.