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This just tells me that the people (or jury) agree that the United States still has the most brilliant minds in the world when it comes to technology. Apple, Microsoft and IBM all included. Japan follows second.
 
Great tweet. And so true. It's so funny how some people suggest that almost everything Apple did was obvious. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I guess some companies have time machines in order to get this "hindsight" ahead of Apple uh ?


Both the 25 hour presentation limit, and all the blocked evidence, worked towards Apple's advantage.

Apple was able to show their cherry-picked before and after chart... yet due to legal timing technicalities, Judge Koh prevented Samsung from showing their 2006 UI concept designs:

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Samsung was also blocked from talking about their phone designs, including the F700 model, whose December 2006 design registration came before the iPhone's:

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I believe that Apple also successfully blocked the 2005 Pidion smartphone as prior art, which had a lot of design cues similar to the five year later iPhone 4:

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It's interesting that, after being allowed to see prior art such as the Fidler tablet concept, the jury decided that the Tab didn't infringe on the iPad. We can only wonder if they might've had a different idea on the iPhone infringements if they had been allowed to see such blocked evidence as that shown above... evidence that not so coincidentally has helped Samsung win outside of the USA when allowed.
 
I guess some companies have time machines in order to get this "hindsight" ahead of Apple uh ?

That is interesting, its one of the main reasons I think this appeal will be upheld and the verdict thrown out.

The judge treated Samsung unfairly, by blocking several examples of prior art, including phones made by samsung.

So the judge is saying " the jury can't see phones that samsung produced before the iPhone, and they're not allowed to see phones very similar to the iPhone that came before the iPhone, so any evidence you have of a touch s creen based phone before the iPhone, is not allowed "

Not personally, I do think the judge was biased, and treated samsung unfairly.

Also, reading a 100 page insurtciotn book and going through 700 questions in 3 days? Smells like **** to me.

Now, I don't care either way, I'll buy the best phone for the job.

Its not my fault Apple has failed to make a Phone as good as the Galaxy S3, or make an OS as good as Jelly Bean.

Its not my fault Apple has failed to produce a phone as good as flagship android phones. Why am I, as a consumer, being assulted because apple fails to update their software/hardware?
 
That is interesting, its one of the main reasons I think this appeal will be upheld and the verdict thrown out.

The judge treated Samsung unfairly, by blocking several examples of prior art, including phones made by samsung.

So the judge is saying " the jury can't see phones that samsung produced before the iPhone, and they're not allowed to see phones very similar to the iPhone that came before the iPhone, so any evidence you have of a touch s creen based phone before the iPhone, is not allowed "

Not personally, I do think the judge was biased, and treated samsung unfairly.

Also, reading a 100 page insurtciotn book and going through 700 questions in 3 days? Smells like **** to me.

Now, I don't care either way, I'll buy the best phone for the job.

Its not my fault Apple has failed to make a Phone as good as the Galaxy S3, or make an OS as good as Jelly Bean.

Its not my fault Apple has failed to produce a phone as good as flagship android phones. Why am I, as a consumer, being assulted because apple fails to update their software/hardware?

It has more to do with Samsung straight copying what apple was doing then prior art. You would have to be blind to not notice Samsung was coping iPhone.. Christ people c'mon.
 
It has more to do with Samsung straight copying what apple was doing then prior art. You would have to be blind to not notice Samsung was coping iPhone.. Christ people c'mon.

In patent law, prior art and patent validity have as much or more to do with it than patent infringement, which is not straight copying (you can infringe patents without straight copying).

In fact, "straight copying" has nothing to do with patent infringement at all.

Obviously, you need to read up a bit on how patents work.
 
In patent law, prior art and patent validity have as much or more to do with it than patent infringement, which is not straight copying (you can infringe patents without straight copying).

In fact, "straight copying" has nothing to do with patent infringement at all.

Obviously, you need to read up a bit on how patents work.

That's not what the jury sees when they look at pictures of samsung icons looking just about exactly the same.. You need to use common sense ..
 
That's not what the jury sees when they look at pictures of samsung icons looking just about exactly the same.. You need to use common sense ..

Icons are not patented.

And there were no verdicts or questions in the jury form relating to claims 44 to 54 of Apple's complaint, which were related to the icon trademark registrations. I'm still looking through the court proceedings to see what happened to those claims.

So again, you need to read up and educate yourself about patents, Apple's alleged infringement and their own patented designs and technologies, the ones Samsung were found in infringement of and what the criteria for infringement are.

Straight copying a patent only gives you a piece of paper with a patent written on it. Patents are not implementations. It helps to actually understand these things before commenting, makes it seem like you're not wasting everyone else's time with uneducated comments about things you don't understand.
 
The tweet of the week by Dan Frakes:

When the iPhone debuted, it was widely criticized for having no buttons/keys. Now people think the iPhone’s design is “obvious.”

Thank you, Dan! You sum it nicely! :)

Mark

And who could ever forget these words by Forbes 2012 Worst CEO.

"[The iPhone] doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine." (Steve Ballmer - January 2007)
 
What I'm wondering is for quite a few years, the iPhone wasn't on any carriers but at&t. So how is apple awarded money for the devices sold when the iPhone wasn't even a choice to purchase. And then you have consumers like me that didn't want an iphone.
 
And who could ever forget these words by Forbes 2012 Worst CEO.

"[The iPhone] doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine." (Steve Ballmer - January 2007)

He did have a point, I can type WAY faster on a phone with a real keyboard than anyone on a touch screen keyboard can.
 
With so many advantages in Apple's court, it's good to see they got it over with quickly. They could have drug it out for quite some time, only to reach the same verdict. Now Apple & Samsung can move on to the cleanup phase.

With all the collateral legal skirmishes going on with Apple's name on them, it's still going to be some time (if ever) before all the legal clouds clear, and things are back to normal. I would have never imagined something like this a few years back. Interesting that's for sure.
 
But where there any corporate memos within the makers of Excedrin PM (or the homegrown anti-freeze company) that discussed how easy it would be to copy Tylenol PM's packaging (or Prestone's bottle design)? And did those copycats get a memo from Google warning them that their products looked a little bit too much like another company's product? No, probably not.

It was the specific evidence, witness testimony, and FACTS that lead the Apple v Samsung jurors to their decision, NOT some generalized half-baked pain medication and anti-freeze stories.

Mark
The kicker is those memos are pretty standard SOP in the software industry or hell in a lot of industies in general with design.

First thing you do is look at the competitors and see what they are doing and what they are doing right. The things they are doing right you takes those ideas as a starting point and improve on them. Directly referencing those facts.

Problem is Apple tried to hide the fact that things like that are pretty standard SOP. big time in engineering and design.

First question 2 question any good engineering or software designer should ask are, Is there anything out there that does this already, Is there anything out there already that can easily be adapted to this problem.
If the answer is yes to either of those it is followed how can I improve on it.

A good engineer/designer should never be reinventing the wheel every time. TO think Apple is doing that is just plan stupid. They trick the public into thinking they do that but it far from the truth.
 
And who could ever forget these words by Forbes 2012 Worst CEO.

"[The iPhone] doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine." (Steve Ballmer - January 2007)

Diffidently interesting. Look were RIM "Blackberry" was at during that time compared to now. :eek:
 
And who could ever forget these words by Forbes 2012 Worst CEO.

"[The iPhone] doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard. Which makes it not a very good email machine." (Steve Ballmer - January 2007)

I think some of the short minded Apple full time Apple detractors that troll here on a regular have totally forgotten that the iPhone was not regarded obvious at all when it first dropped.

In actuality it was derided and mocked and "destined to be a failure."

Yet now, it's all so obvious.
 
The kicker is those memos are pretty standard SOP in the software industry or hell in a lot of industies in general with design.

If you call 132 pages a memo. To me it looks like an instruction guide on how to implement changes straight from a competitors phone.

If its standard operating procedure let me see the proof. Its one thing to comment on something a competitor puts out. Its quite another putting out a long detailed report saying "We need to do that" for many of features.

For many people who said this was not a smoking gun before the trial, well it was a smoking gun for the jury.
 
Verdict: iOS is better than Android.

I'm sorry...I do NOT mean to be a troll.

However...this inane comment that iOS is better than Android is baseless.
I made the mistake of buying the iPhone 4s and was SOOOOOO disappointed!!!

To me (and mind you...I am NOT trolling here!), the iPhone is a phone built with kids in mind (22 and under) and adults who have no idea what a functional smartphone should act like....and, last, but definitely not least...it's a phone that, more often than not, is bought as a prestige item.
It's like those people who can't afford a BMW X4 and buy it to impress their neighbors rather than functionality.

I must admit...had Palm had the capital to invest in their product before HP took it over and destroyed the most promising OS to come along in years, I would NOT be defending Android. Android doesn't even come in a close second.
But, be that as it may....iOS comes in even further than that!!

And, let's be frank, shall we? Who the hell builds a phone made completely out of glass??? I dropped mine from a front door step (6"-8" max!!!) and it completely shattered my phone screen....AND I had the $100 protective case with extended battery!!
That's just shoddy workmanship. I paid for a replacement because insurance did not cover that kind of damage...and it happened again! I thought the first time was a fluke...just hit the right spot at the wrong time

And yet....2 completely different accidents from extremely low heights?? C'mon??!!!
Not to mention that the only thing going for the Apple iPhone is that it has, by far, the best virtual keyboard on the market!! Other than that, I cannot see why everyone is going crazy over this company and have to say that the phone was made with adults in mind who have no idea how to utilize a smartphone whatsoever!!! My Palm Treo 650 was a better phone than the iPhone...at least that phone could use Adobe Flash!!

And now my Galaxy s3 totally blows away any competiton (for at least another 3 months, I'm guessing!! Lol.....but it won't be dethroned by the likes of an iPhone 5. More likely another Android product.).

And, is anyone truly happy with the fact that Apple has the final say-so as to what you can put on your phone?? I know I wasn't!!

Anyway...my two cents for the dude who had the temerity to say iOS blows away Android. Just not true, my friend...and this comes from a phone geek...a person who, for the last decade or so, has been devoted to smartphones and was so excited to see the iPhone come out....and then thoroughly disappointed!!

Soooo....last time I comment on this thread. Just was trying to get some insight on the lawsuit between Samsung and Apple and just HAD to form a rebuttal of sorts against such an uneducated comment!!

Anyway...thanks for listening...or reading as the case may be...and for those of you who enjoy your iPhones...God be with you. It's rare to find something that you truly enjoy in this life!!

God Bless!!

Couch :D
 
Icons are not patented.

And there were no verdicts or questions in the jury form relating to claims 44 to 54 of Apple's complaint, which were related to the icon trademark registrations. I'm still looking through the court proceedings to see what happened to those claims.

So again, you need to read up and educate yourself about patents, Apple's alleged infringement and their own patented designs and technologies, the ones Samsung were found in infringement of and what the criteria for infringement are.

Straight copying a patent only gives you a piece of paper with a patent written on it. Patents are not implementations. It helps to actually understand these things before commenting, makes it seem like you're not wasting everyone else's time with uneducated comments about things you don't understand.

Give it up, bro. The court ruled, game over for Samsung. :p
 
To me (and mind you...I am NOT trolling here!), the iPhone is a phone built with kids in mind (22 and under) and adults who have no idea what a functional smartphone should act like....and, last, but definitely not least...it's a phone that, more often than not, is bought as a prestige item.

If a phone has the most and best functions in the world, but nobody knows how to use them, does that make it a functional smartphone?
 
Give it up, bro. The court ruled, game over for Samsung. :p
Game is FAR from over.
By their own admission, there is already evidence of jury misconduct.
Ignoring judicial instructions is sufficient grounds for an appeal and the possibility of having the entire verdict tossed.
 
Game is FAR from over.
By their own admission, there is already evidence of jury misconduct.
Ignoring judicial instructions is sufficient grounds for an appeal and the possibility of having the entire verdict tossed.

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