The pricing is here to stay. Even older MBPs they sell stayed the same. It still doesn't make sense to pay $4300 for a subpar notebook.
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The pricing is here to stay. Even older MBPs they sell stayed the same. It still doesn't make sense to pay $4300 for a subpar notebook.
I think it's pretty obvious... ergonomically, economically, and just common sense. Nobody wants to reach forward to touch a screen that's vertical. No OS that's a desktop version can be quality for touching. Any hybrid OS is crap at both touch and desktop form.
I still don't get why people want a touch screen mac. It's such a stupid idea.
Stephen King's IT? Too late. Uncle made me watch it when I was four. I hate clowns now.
What? Nobody? Then why does Apple make keyboards for iPad?
The new tool bar requires the user to reach forward.
I got to say, I almost never attempt to touch the screen on my Surface Book anymore. Occasionally I will while using Onenote. It was more of a novelty that wore off after the first week. It makes for a horrible tablet.
Bought two.
The only message you send by not buying is "no one wants MacBook pros. Better re-up our focus on iPads."
The only message you send by not buying is "no one wants MacBook pros. Better re-up our focus on iPads."
Not quite. It's much closer than the screen. I've been comfortably reaching over to the F-keys for as long as I can remember.
They made keyboards for the iPad because apparently there's a demand for it, as demonstrated by the many 3rd party wireless keyboards. The primary mode of interfacing with the iPad is the touchscreen. The keyboard is an accessory if you are not comfortable with the on-screen keyboard.
This is not true for heavier work that is going to happen on a laptop style environment. For a small niche of users, the iPad Pro/Surface Pro hybrid model can work. For many, the Macbook Pro with enhanced input panel (keyboard/super-trackpad/touchbar) is better.
My guess is most people weren't as confused as you seem to be and don't need the clarification you seem to require.
I had the opportunity to use a surface 13" and PowerPoint. I was amazed has how fluid everything was.
Instead of reaching for the mouse I touched the screen. Select a shape, change its properties, insert a picture and crop it.
Much easier with a touch screen.
Zoom in and zoom out, swipe left, right, up and down.
Then I went back to my MBP.
Immediately and unconsciously reached for the screen.
Personally I am looking forward to trying out the MS Studio.
I see know reason why Apple couldn't offer their customers a model with touch screen.
After all they offer a model without the touch bar
To each their own. Reaching for the screen to change an objects properties in almost any app made me want to through my Surface Book against the wall.
thank god they didnt offer a touch screen version if the tiny strip already cost 400dollars 
Very rarely does Apple lower prices, but they have done so in the past.
Every company has monthly sales targets and no one likes to be stuck with inventory.
And if sales are flat by the time Kaby Lake is available, I could see a price adjustment.
For now, the best bet is looking out for Black Friday sales from Amazon or BestBuy.
I'm far from suggesting any boycott is going to hurt Apple in any way.
I don't think any major shift in pricing strategy or technology will come until there's a completely new regime at Apple.
I believe Macs account for ~11% of revenue, while phones are ~60%. Having said that, there is a synergy across multiple lines, with buy-in to one increasing the likelihood of buying into the other(s), and they also have different buying cycles, e.g. some do phones once a year, tablets every 2-3, and laptops every 3-4.
Lack of 'suitable'/desirable system for someone wanting to start (or continue) IOS or OS X development also has a potential impact, while using your 10:1 ratio - Apple/IOS vs Android marketshare is nearly as such, so I wouldn't count out a '10%' as having larger overall impact.
Rarely, as in once every 10 years.
If sales are flat...no wait, even when sales went flat with the mid 2015 MBP they didn't budge with the price after certain things were available... I do agree, Amazon and Best Buy will have a discount probably, not much but a little but Apple themselves outside of saving shipping costs has hardly ever lowered prices in the last 20 years.It's new. It has a touch bar. That's going to keep the pricing as high as possible for a very long time. Boycotting buying one sounds good on paper, but the reality is it won't affect them since those who do are an extremely small minority. Maybe spam Tim's email might get somebody's attention...maybe...kinda...doubtful. Personally, am done with Apple for my computer needs after this MBP dies out. Will still continue with iPhone but that's about it. One too many things I'm disgruntled about. >.<
Problem is - what message precisely would you be sending?
Apple is clearly trying to transition users over to iOS and lower sales of Macs might simply be the ammo they need to justify dropping the Mac line altogether to better focus on the iPad Pro.
On second thought - that sounds awesome, since I am using an iPad Pro, and would like to see more improvements come to that platform more rapidly. Yes! Don't buy the new MacBook Pro! iPad Pro all the way!!!
The main difference is that there is no trackpad for the iPad. This makes all the difference - the keyboard is much closer to you, and so is the screen, making touching the screen that much simpler.
(I typed this post entirely on an iPad Pro 9.7" with the Smart Keyboard)
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You are cherry picking a use case. Try using MS Word and not use a mouse or trackpad. Or better still, any kind of programming or DevOps work that requires terminal.
You do have a point - for Powerpoint or other use cases that are mostly visual, a touchscreen is better. That's why Apple has an iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil. If the iPad Pro doesn't do it for you, then the correct criticism to direct is to the iPad Pro, not the MacBook Pro.
If you are simply advocating a hybrid.... that is an entirely separate discussion I think. My personal take is that touch apps on Microsoft's platform are far inferior to Google or Apple, unless you're mostly referring to MS Apps themselves, particularly those design-focused or a mix thereof. If those are you primary daily drivers, then I would agree with you, your best device is a Surface Pro
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Apple will probably just take the message and focus even less on the Mac
Yes, and if they ever end up with an exploding phone, then people will turn to other brands. Then, Steve's bastard child he never knew about will come along and resurrect his father's company.
Yes - shocking that a publicly traded American company would be motivated by profiting from each customer! The audacity!!
(Hint - this has been their primary motivation all along...)
Exactly. I think a touch bar really complements the excellent trackpad which is something new and excellent. With a touch bar my hand still stays exactly where it is. I don't need to lift my arms and then pressing on the hinges that supports the display. And also leaving smudges on the screen.
Besides, touch screen laptop is kind of dated and has shown to not work so well cause we got the cursor...
The prices of the new MBP's wouldn't be such a huge problem if the consumer oriented MacBook didn't cost the same amount.
If they offered a 800 or 900€ MacBook, like, you know, back in the Jobs days, there wouldn't be such an outcry about the prices.
You basically have no choice but to fish out at least 1500€ for a modern Mac. Thanks, Tim.
If they offered a 800 or 900€ MacBook, like, you know, back in the Jobs days, there wouldn't be such an outcry about the prices.
You basically have no choice but to fish out at least 1500€ for a modern Mac. Thanks, Tim.