Just don't buy it. Send a Message.

[bruinsrme]

The main difference is that there is no trackpad for the iPad. This makes all the difference - the keyboard is much closer to you, and so is the screen, making touching the screen that much simpler.

(I typed this post entirely on an iPad Pro 9.7" with the Smart Keyboard)

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You are cherry picking a use case. Try using MS Word and not use a mouse or trackpad. Or better still, any kind of programming or DevOps work that requires terminal.

You do have a point - for Powerpoint or other use cases that are mostly visual, a touchscreen is better. That's why Apple has an iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil. If the iPad Pro doesn't do it for you, then the correct criticism to direct is to the iPad Pro, not the MacBook Pro.

If you are simply advocating a hybrid.... that is an entirely separate discussion I think. My personal take is that touch apps on Microsoft's platform are far inferior to Google or Apple, unless you're mostly referring to MS Apps themselves, particularly those design-focused or a mix thereof. If those are you primary daily drivers, then I would agree with you, your best device is a Surface Pro

PowerPoint, word, Visio, and many of the adobe suite.

The main difference is that there is no trackpad for the iPad. This makes all the difference - the keyboard is much closer to you, and so is the screen, making touching the screen that much simpler.

(I typed this post entirely on an iPad Pro 9.7" with the Smart Keyboard)

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You are cherry picking a use case. Try using MS Word and not use a mouse or trackpad. Or better still, any kind of programming or DevOps work that requires terminal.

You do have a point - for Powerpoint or other use cases that are mostly visual, a touchscreen is better. That's why Apple has an iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil. If the iPad Pro doesn't do it for you, then the correct criticism to direct is to the iPad Pro, not the MacBook Pro.

If you are simply advocating a hybrid.... that is an entirely separate discussion I think. My personal take is that touch apps on Microsoft's platform are far inferior to Google or Apple, unless you're mostly referring to MS Apps themselves, particularly those design-focused or a mix thereof. If those are you primary daily drivers, then I would agree with you, your best device is a Surface Pro

I would never consider the iPad a viable device for any serious development whether it was for a presentation, spread sheet old 3D rendering.
Photography editing it's handy.

So if every program/app can't fully utilize a touch screen then it shouldn't be offered.

Glad there are other alternatives that are courageous enough to implement touch technology as an option

 

[echo44]

For those of you complaining about the price you should listen to Apple's earnings call like I Have for every one over the
last 15 years. What you will learn is the net profit of each unit sold changes very little from year to year if at all. When it does change it usually drops. So you say what's with the price increase? Did you ever think that it may be costing Apple more to make these units? Well guess what it does!!! They are adding more controllers and an additional screen (OLED) strip. In fact I would be willing to bet that the initial profit margin on the new machines with touch strips is less than the 2015 model. This has to do with the cost savings as production ramps occur with time. Educate yourself and realize all Apple is doing with these price increases is maintaining it's usual high profit margin not increasing it !!! Also read The recent report from IBM that over time Apple computers and laptops are cheaper to own than PC's as they last longer and require less support.

 

[brainshutdown]

Some people here don't realize that if the mac line dies, the entire ecosystem dies, because you need a mac to develop apps for iOS. So if the developers aren't happy with the new macs, and are planning to switch platform, then apple need to hear the community and address the problem soon or they will be in trouble.

 

[serkan]

I made my NOT to buy decision when I heard that they are not including the power extension cord.

We always knew and accepted the higher prices that we paid for Apple over the years and trust me, I never mind paying more than usual. But in return I used to get so many things that made my purchase clear for me.

For example, when I bought my Early 2011 MBP, it was phenomanel in every aspect. Packaging to screen cleaning cloth that comes within.

And now, even the packaging looks like a company who is trying to cut cost rather than customer experience.

Not only Macs, look at the iPhone packaging too. Remember when the first earbuds come out ? The plastic package was designed and gave us the real Apple. Now look at it. Wrapped in the a cardboard.

To quote from Peter Thiels book Zero to One, I know agree more that some companies cannot function without their founders.

 

[The Mercurian]

So I've my decision made. No new MBP for me. Gonna sell my Dell desktop, try to buy a low spec refurb Dell XPS 15, and then upgrade it to 32GB after market (remember when you could do that with a MBP ?).

 

[wegster]

I think it's pretty obvious... ergonomically, economically, and just common sense. Nobody wants to reach forward to touch a screen that's vertical. No OS that's a desktop version can be quality for touching. Any hybrid OS is crap at both touch and desktop form.

I still don't get why people want a touch screen mac. It's such a stupid idea.

Touch screen Mac - you're exactly right.
Touch screen convertible - different story.

 

[lobo1978]

That is the only thing that will matter.

Yup Satya Nadella wet dream... Everybody now will use Windowz because Apple removed legacy ports and increased trackpad and changed keyboard etc. - people are throwing macs in the street...

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Macrumors forum is full of trolls from competitors (Lenovo, Dell and M$) than ever...

or there are so many genuinely concerned apple users

Man - It is really tiring, this supposed to be apple users forum

 

[Ries]

Yup Satya Nadella wet dream... Everybody now will use Windowz because Apple removed legacy ports and increased trackpad and changed keyboard etc. - people are throwing macs in the street...

----
Macrumors forum is full of trolls from competitors (Lenovo, Dell and M$) than ever...

or there are so many genuinely concerned apple users

Man - It is really tiring, this supposed to be apple users forum

USB-A is not a legacy port. It is something almost everyone still uses. It's not like the CDROM/Floppy/ethernet that got used by the average person like once a month. Virtually every thing out there connects to the USB-A port, it's going to take a few years before the stuff people own is USB-C. FFS, the iPhone 7 comes as USB-A.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

I liked the update. I maxed out 15" with the exception of the SSD (512gb)

 

[wegster]

For those of you complaining about the price you should listen to Apple's earnings call like I Have for every one over the
last 15 years. What you will learn is the net profit of each unit sold changes very little from year to year if at all. When it does change it usually drops. So you say what's with the price increase? Did you ever think that it may be costing Apple more to make these units? Well guess what it does!!! They are adding more controllers and an additional screen (OLED) strip. In fact I would be willing to bet that the initial profit margin on the new machines with touch strips is less than the 2015 model. This has to do with the cost savings as production ramps occur with time. Educate yourself and realize all Apple is doing with these price increases is maintaining it's usual high profit margin not increasing it !!! Also read The recent report from IBM that over time Apple computers and laptops are cheaper to own than PC's as they last longer and require less support.

Actually, the way business generally works is you target/define a market and area you can provide value to, then do analysis to determine if <however much it costs + your profits> are compatible with building/retaining/growing (strategy and lifecycle dependent) market share of a size enough to meet your goals. If not, you adjust. No one has been asking Apple for an OLED strip, so knowing they would be increasing the costs due to it, they are gambling that 'enough' people will still buy it to meet their goals - as you've seen on the forum, not everyone agrees with that and some are putting their money elsewhere.

The market isn't 'build whatever you want and your prior customers will buy it if they build lemons or miss on basic price to value expectations of those users.
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Some people here don't realize that if the mac line dies, the entire ecosystem dies, because you need a mac to develop apps for iOS. So if the developers aren't happy with the new macs, and are planning to switch platform, then apple need to hear the community and address the problem soon or they will be in trouble.

Yep.
The number of people starting with an iPhone (or iPod) then looking at MacBooks or MBPs, or those liking MB/iMac/MP/MBPs and expanding to phone/tablet/watch etc. is not insignificant, let alone those just getting into considering developing apps for iOS...it's a circle that self-propagates for many, and loss of interest by Devs, someone which may do Windows by day but were formerly able to still swing a MBP + VMs for work, to do 'side work' on apps or OS X dev..or the folks going into college CS with an Air or MacBook and thinking about developing for iOS or OS X then being kicked where it hurts on the MBP pricing... all will have a > 0 net effect.

How much? We'll see, and hopefully the next refresh may do some corrections.

 

[philosopherdog]

Bought one. Sent a message. These machines are sick! Can't wait wait to get my hands on it.

 

[Wildkraut]

It isn't like people buy MacBooks anyway when Apple can only sell 4.8M v 45M with iPhones in the last quarter. MR hardly represents the rest of the Apple world and most complaints about the new MacBooks are even smaller. That's nearly 10:1 or 9:1 on how much iPhone owners outnumber Mac owners as a whole.

By April, this forum which is filled with Apple fanboyism and haters will focus on iPhone 8 design leaks again with the usual adoration or complaints. Then Apple will largely ignore the MacBooks again for the next four years since less than 10% marketshare is hardly something they care about. Mobile devices is where the real money is at for Apple.

Well, they still the need MacBook,iMacs, etc. ,there is no other way to code for iOS.

 

[tubeexperience]

Macrumors forum is full of trolls from competitors (Lenovo, Dell and M$) than ever...

or there are so many genuinely concerned apple users

Man - It is really tiring, this supposed to be apple users forum

There's a big difference between owning Apple products and being a devoted Apple fanboy.

If you want a forum full of Apple fanboys, go to AppleInsider.

 

[Roller]

How is sending a message by not buying a new MBP going to help me get my work done if there's no practical alternative?

 

[aohus]

How is sending a message by not buying a new MBP going to help me get my work done if there's no practical alternative?

dell xps series or the surface book.

 

[Roller]

dell xps series or the surface book.

That would be fine if I didn't have two other Macs that I regularly exchange files with, many hundreds of dollars invested in software, and documents that can't readily be converted to use on Windows machines. Yes, I know that it's possible to switch from macOS to Windows and vice versa, but the time, effort, and cost would greatly outweigh the premium for a new Apple laptop, even one that's less than perfect.

 

[audicat]

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[inhalexhale1]

Touch screen Mac - you're exactly right.
Touch screen convertible - different story.

Exactly. Just making the laptop a touch screen is not a great option. It'll wobble, it's not an ergonomic position for touch, but thing like the Surface Book or Studio integrate touch in a better way. You can use it specifically for that, or as a regular computer. The touch bar is interesting, and I would rather Apple have added that, than just make the laptop screen touch.
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How is sending a message by not buying a new MBP going to help me get my work done if there's no practical alternative?

While I'm going to actually check out alternatives this year, I'm running into the same issue. What premium laptops are out there, that offer this better combination of user experience and power everyone is saying the new MBP lacks? I am not anti-Windows, although I do prefer MacOS.

I looked into the Razer Blade, and while the specs are nice, the exterior always looks greasy from fingerprints. I don't know how their trackpad is, and their peripheral support is awful. I would hate to have that issue if my $2k+ laptop died. Pricing is better than MBP though.

Surface Book is interesting, and a similar price/spec. I have to go see it in person. Something about the gap when it's shut just doesn't sit well with me, but I've read good things about the trackpad on this forum.

The Dell XPS is great I'm sure, and their support is also very good. But it just doesn't look like a premium product to me. Also, the specs aren't any better than a MBP, although cheaper.

 

[Count Blah]

Yup Satya Nadella wet dream... Everybody now will use Windowz because Apple removed legacy ports and increased trackpad and changed keyboard etc. - people are throwing macs in the street...

----
Macrumors forum is full of trolls from competitors (Lenovo, Dell and M$) than ever...

or there are so many genuinely concerned apple users

Man - It is really tiring, this supposed to be apple users forum

That's right, jsut rock back and forth and keep on repeating your mantra - "All is well in Apple Land. All is well in Apple Land. All is well in Apple Land."

Sorry - That still won't make it true.

Why can't you bare to listen to/read about issues that real work customers are bringing up?
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That would be fine if I didn't have two other Macs that I regularly exchange files with, many hundreds of dollars invested in software, and documents that can't readily be converted to use on Windows machines. Yes, I know that it's possible to switch from macOS to Windows and vice versa, but the time, effort, and cost would greatly outweigh the premium for a new Apple laptop, even one that's less than perfect.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

 

[lobo1978]

That still won't make it true.

?

What? I'm too old for intel vs AMD or Mac vs PC wars. Seriously give it a break - turn Nickelodeon back on

I'm using computers to earn money and MAKE things. I was using PC for longer time that I'm mac user. And from my point of view, I am much better off. In long term mac is cheaper.


http://www.computerworld.com/articl...e-buy-is-making-and-saving-ibm-money-ibm.html

Go ahead and accuse IBM to be apple fan boys -

"IBM is saving a minimum of $265 (up to $535 depending on model) per Mac compared to a PC, over a 4-year lifespan. While the upfront workstation investment is lower for PCs, the residual value for Mac is higher… The program’s success has improved IBM’s ability to attract and retain top talent – a key advantage in today’s competitive market"

Source: https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/19/jamf-ibm-mac-deployment/

 

[Tycho24]

Send what message? I love the new MBP.

He is obviously trying to clear some orders ahead of his away, so he can get his order sooner. ;0)

 

[Abazigal]

Well, they still the need MacBook,iMacs, etc. ,there is no other way to code for iOS.

Until Apple releases x-code for the iPad, yeah.

 

[dumastudetto]

That is the only thing that will matter.

You are right. If people don't buy, then Apple will simply give up on the Mac completely. if you want that, by all means vote with your wallets and refuse to buy.

 

[mctrials23]

Some people here don't realize that if the mac line dies, the entire ecosystem dies, because you need a mac to develop apps for iOS. So if the developers aren't happy with the new macs, and are planning to switch platform, then apple need to hear the community and address the problem soon or they will be in trouble.

I wouldn't bother, its like banging your head against a brick wall. There are genuinely a lot of people on here who think that if macs don't sell well then apple will drop OSX and their mac lineup.

The mac line up that makes them billions in hardware profits.
The mac line up that enables people to write mac software that makes them billions
The mac line up that enables people to write iOS software that makes them billions
The mac line up that still pretty much runs the creative and development world
The mac line up that keeps huge numbers of people buying all the other apple products to remain in the ecosystem

They may make some missteps but they are not stupid.

Its amazing how really simple concepts seem to get completely ignored by a huge number of people. Its like the touch bar and the wailing masses saying "how will i power off my laptop", "how will I press the escape key", "how will I force quit apps".

 

[Wildkraut]

Until Apple releases x-code for the iPad, yeah.

Yep and this will take a very long while.