Makes me feel good knowing the refurb 2012 rMBP I got with 2 year AppleCare is definitely not obsolete lol.
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Just got 2.3 GHz 15 rmbp Haswell
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I never mentioned users would be using OpenGL stuff with HD 4000.
Also I did mention if your a gamer to get a ivy bridge rmbp or 2.3+ Ghz Haswell rmbp.
I only advocated the base haswell for people who don't game much or use allot of applications that have OpenGL and if they currently do not own a ivy bridge rmbp.
The advantage of the base is longer battery life on average (no graphics switching in any case), and cost.
Still if you can get your hands on a 2.6 Ghz+ Ivy Bridge with 16 GB for ram under warranty for less than 1699.
That is a deal.
Also I did mention if your a gamer to get a ivy bridge rmbp or 2.3+ Ghz Haswell rmbp.
I only advocated the base haswell for people who don't game much or use allot of applications that have OpenGL and if they currently do not own a ivy bridge rmbp.
The advantage of the base is longer battery life on average (no graphics switching in any case), and cost.
Still if you can get your hands on a 2.6 Ghz+ Ivy Bridge with 16 GB for ram under warranty for less than 1699.
That is a deal.
The 750m should be 967 MHz according to manufacturer specifications.
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...8&compare=geforce-gt-750m-vs-geforce-gtx-660m
Its definitely not obsolete. You can probably wait 2 more years. Next year will have a huge graphics update. Year after that, cpu performance might be 50% or more higher.
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I was going by what LuxMark read in. I don't know the true specs.
However, LuxMark did get the graphics specs on the 650m correct, which was 900 Mhz.
I did write a CUDA program that was able to spit back the graphics card correct specs. However I don't have that environment on my laptop anymore.
If I can find that CUDA program I post the results.
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I was going by what LuxMark read in. I don't know the true specs.
However, LuxMark did get the graphics specs on the 650m correct, which was 900 Mhz.
I did write a CUDA program that was able to spit back the graphics card correct specs. However I don't have that environment on my laptop anymore.
If I can find that CUDA program I post the results.
You guys are all hardcore pro users, but for a basic user like me I can't tell any difference between my last year Base 15 rMBP and the Haswell 15 Base I bought last night to compare.
Basic regular stuff I do, no diff for me.
Not impressed at all.
That said, I love my 2012 retina with Mavericks.
The new ones perform the same.
Basic regular stuff I do, no diff for me.
Not impressed at all.
That said, I love my 2012 retina with Mavericks.
The new ones perform the same.
I agree. For basic usage you won't be able to tell the difference.
I would just stick with the 2012 version. I think people are going to buy up the 2012-2013 Ivy Bridge, since the Haswell doesn't offer that much improvements and is at a higher cost.
I would just stick with the 2012 version. I think people are going to buy up the 2012-2013 Ivy Bridge, since the Haswell doesn't offer that much improvements and is at a higher cost.
I have the base 750M model. I just ran a benchmark on bioshock infinity with the same settings as anandtech here: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6993/55282.png
I got 36.06 fps average. So, an improvement of .5fps over the 650M model. That's just one game, but looks like gaming performance is similar to last year's model.
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Note that both my and anandtech's benchmarks were done in windows. I'm using the drivers from bootcamp, and the nvidia drivers are from October 2013.
I got 36.06 fps average. So, an improvement of .5fps over the 650M model. That's just one game, but looks like gaming performance is similar to last year's model.
EDIT:
Note that both my and anandtech's benchmarks were done in windows. I'm using the drivers from bootcamp, and the nvidia drivers are from October 2013.
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I'm not hardcore but I came from a custom built 1200$ gaming rig (i7 3770k, 7950GPU ect...) and this is running amazing for me, obviously can't game even close to as well but I don't care I'm using this for photography work and such and Mac OS X is just much more efficient, I can see me using this till the end of 2015 to say the least, and also these things have amazing resell value. 
I wonder if the underwhelming bump has anything to do with "early OS X version syndrome"...
Other people have reported significant frame rate drops on their older machines after upgrading to Mavericks, and I remember this happening when Leopard and Snow Leopard were released as well. (Can't speak for 10.7 or 10.8.)
A software update might fix this. While I wouldn't expect a night and day difference, there should definitely be a wider discrepancy in performance than .5 FPS between the 650M and 750M.
That's actually not bad lol games run SO BAD on Mac OS though I'm assuming that was run on bootcamp
For my needs the 2012 is a beast.
I will return the new one this weekend.
I thought I would be bashed, you guys are kind.
Then I'm completely baffled. Feels like something's not right with the way that 750M is being employed by the game. Perhaps it's due for a driver update?
Either that, or my already low expectations should have been even lower!
It's no different for hardcore pro users, either. The only people who should really notice any performance difference are:
1) People who thrash their disk, and thus might benefit from the PCIe storage
2) ThunderBolt 2, which again only matters for a subset of users
3) People who do OpenCL-intensive stuff
4) People using an 802.11ac access point
People who do heavy OpenGL stuff will often be better with the older base model versus the new base model. And CPU wise, model-to-model, it's about the same.
This really is a price drop to go with a terribly ho-hum upgrade.
I am now a POWER user, but if you need battery life like me and a higher resolution screen, the MBP is worth the upgrade. I had switched to using the new MBA from my 2012 MBPr, but now thanks to the bump in battery life I can use the new MBP and get more done due to the higher resolution.
The voice of reason.
I just wish the price-drop trickle-down effect had a more significant impact on the previous generation prices. MacMall for instance is "clearing out" the 15" 16GB/512GB model for $2544... a whole $50 less than the Haswell equivalent.
Now, that's taking this "ho-hum upgrade" principle a bit too seriously if you ask me...!
Eh? I'm confused. The comparison I was drawing was between the 2012 15" rMBP and the new one. In that case, the resolutions are identical.
As far as battery life goes, the increase is only 1 hour, an increase of just 14%and that's a marketing number, so actual mileage may end up being less. However, even if that estimate is spot-on, I personally would prefer my 650M dGPU to a modest increase in battery life. I was more excited about this update when I thought it was likely Haswell would take us to 10 hours. For me, this was a huge disappointment.
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Add me to the "+1" on this. I sat refreshing third-party reseller web sites yesterday because I'm in the market to purchase up to three new rMPBs for myself and family, and I was hoping to get a fantastic close-out deal. Unfortunately, the best bang for one's buck continues to be the refurb June 2012 base model which didn't get discounted a single penny. Ordering via ShopDiscover and taking advantage of Discover's quarterly "online shopping" bonus yields an additional 10%, but that basically just offsets the sales tax which some resellers don't assess.
Like you, I'd love to get a steal on an older 16GB/512GB model for myself, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
There's still hope--Black Friday comes to mind--but yeah, there's a long way to go from a $50 discount to a price that's appealing enough to entice me to choose Ivy Bridge over Haswell.
Moreover, I can get 15% off through an Apple Store friend, which makes the 15" 16/512 Haswell only $50 more than the refurb equivalent...
I must say, hats off to Apple: their pricing structure this time around is an effing masterstroke. I can just see Tim stroking his chin and muttering, "Checkmate," as he signs off on the final prices. "That'll be $2600, please and thank you."
I guess you didn't see my post, i am getting a lot more then a 1 hour boost, I have both. I get 10+ hours on full charge. The resolution comment was because of my upgrade path, i went from MBPr -> MBA -> 2013 MBPr. I had switched to the MBA to get the battery life I needed. Now it looks like I am back on the MBP train. It was getting hard to do a lot of my work on the MBA because of resolution.
I have been following your spot-on pros and cons posts for a few days now.
Very helpful.
I see no benefit to keep the new one either.
Thanks.
OK, se I've been using my 2.3GHz 15" rMBP for a few hours and here are a few impressions
Battery life is fantastic. On my 2012 15" I was getting at most around 4 to 5 hours out of it. This one is quoting me around 9 hours which is great.
When using the Iris HD graphics (haven't tried the 750M yet) this machine is smooth. There's nothing anywhere near the lag I got on my 2012 machine.
Unfortunately the screen temperature is not uniform across the display. On the left hand side it looks yellowish and almost dirty, whereas on the right it's more neutral. Plenty of people have gone through this kind of thing before with Retina MacBooks so I won't labour the point, but it's bad enough that I'm going to return it. I haven't decided if I'll take a replacement or a refund yet, but I don't think there's any point in waiting out a "fix" for this at the factory, experience would suggest that it seems to just be the luck of the draw.
Here's a photo:
Battery life is fantastic. On my 2012 15" I was getting at most around 4 to 5 hours out of it. This one is quoting me around 9 hours which is great.
When using the Iris HD graphics (haven't tried the 750M yet) this machine is smooth. There's nothing anywhere near the lag I got on my 2012 machine.
Unfortunately the screen temperature is not uniform across the display. On the left hand side it looks yellowish and almost dirty, whereas on the right it's more neutral. Plenty of people have gone through this kind of thing before with Retina MacBooks so I won't labour the point, but it's bad enough that I'm going to return it. I haven't decided if I'll take a replacement or a refund yet, but I don't think there's any point in waiting out a "fix" for this at the factory, experience would suggest that it seems to just be the luck of the draw.
Here's a photo:
I see no issues on mine, I'd just exchange it and make them show you the one turned on before you leave the store with it