Just Got Tiger

[aswitcher]

boot from tiger dvd... launch disk utility.. format drive using write random zero option.. install tiger.. knock yourself out lol.. still the most clean way possible... i cannot stress it enough

But then I need to know in detail how to backup and reinstall my email, bookmarks, cookies?, keychains, photos, music, all my apps, all my docs, zinio reader files, etc etc
I am not confident I know where all this stuff is to be sure I can get it backed up and reimport it.

 

[dmarkman]

One interesting sidenote to my fresh install of Tiger on my G5--I installed Keynote 2.0 from a disk, and cannot update to 2.0.1.

My assumption is that rather than compound the problem, Apple has chosen to have Tiger "deny" the update. On the other hand, as I did a simple Tiger "upgrade" on my laptop, I can run KN 2.0.1 on it as the Keynote update was done under 10.3.8.

I think I read somewhere that a KN 2.0.1 file would not play on KN 2.0, which could make for some interesting situations...I have yet to test this or determine if there is some other reason Keynote would not update to 2.0.1 on
a pure Tiger install.

you just wait until 04/29
it's possible that software update system isn't ready yet
that's why Apple so aware about early leaks
people think that Tiger has bugs but apparently
that's not a Tiger bug that's just not all web services are ready
so be patient

 

[tomdavies]

Which Java version?

Can someone with Tiger post what you get when you type 'java -version' in Terminal?

 

[dornoforpyros]

Can someone with Tiger post what you get when you type 'java -version' in Terminal?

java version "1.4.2_07"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_07-215)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-50, mixed mode)
d205-206-116-170:

 

[tomdavies]

java version "1.4.2_07"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_07-215)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-50, mixed mode)
d205-206-116-170:

Thanks -- so no 1.5 yet...

 

[mgargan1]

one of the things I don't like in OS X is it's responsiveness when compared to a fast machine using XP. One of the things I'm talking about is the resizing of windows. With OS X the resizing, taking the bottom right hand corner and moving it, is kinda slow... does anyone with tiger notice a speed difference with this?

I hope I'm making myself clear, cause I'm kinda sleepy right now, and I might not be making much sense...

 

[eric535g]

Tiger and Carbon Copy Cloner

So now that I've got Tiger on my G5 and my PB, I'm anxious to do a mirror image bootable backup...it seems Carbon Copy Cloner 2.3 freezes at the point where you enter your administrative password just before "unlocking" it to tell it to go ahead and clone...ugh...did it on both my machines.

Does anyone know a "foolproof" way to make a bootable backup that retains all settings ?

- Eric

 

[dmarkman]

Thanks -- so no 1.5 yet...

that's not necessary true
java 1.4.2_07 could be default JVM
and Java 5 could be installed too (I doubt that, though)
most likely Java 5 will be installed via Software Update

 

[powerbook911]

Anyone tested with xbench before/after Tiger?

 

[Rubin421]

I pre-ordered Tiger the day it was announced, but I still haven't received it. I'm a recent switcher, and as far as Windows is concerned, I know the clean install is the only way to go. Concerning Apple, I would more naturally trust them and go with the update, since it's quicker and more convenient.
Is it really risky? Like, out of 10 people doing it, how many have serious problems afterwards?

 

[dmarkman]

I pre-ordered Tiger the day it was announced, but I still haven't received it. I'm a recent switcher, and as far as Windows is concerned, I know the clean install is the only way to go. Concerning Apple, I would more naturally trust them and go with the update, since it's quicker and more convenient.
Is it really risky? Like, out of 10 people doing it, how many have serious problems afterwards?

if you don't have 3rd party system extensions you should be OK
if you do it depends
some could be incompatible with new OS

 

[dmarkman]

So now that I've got Tiger on my G5 and my PB, I'm anxious to do a mirror image bootable backup...it seems Carbon Copy Cloner 2.3 freezes at the point where you enter your administrative password just before "unlocking" it to tell it to go ahead and clone...ugh...did it on both my machines.

Does anyone know a "foolproof" way to make a bootable backup that retains all settings ?

- Eric

did you try to use DiskUtilities (create disk image)?

 

[blufire]

I pre-ordered Tiger the day it was announced, but I still haven't received it. I'm a recent switcher, and as far as Windows is concerned, I know the clean install is the only way to go. Concerning Apple, I would more naturally trust them and go with the update, since it's quicker and more convenient.
Is it really risky? Like, out of 10 people doing it, how many have serious problems afterwards?

I would still recommend Archive & Install with user and network settings preservation. It's just much better for stability and reliability. I've gone through this on 3 Macs in my house with Panther—2 updates, one archive & install. I ended up having to do an archive & install all over again on one of the updates because it started having odd problems (particularly with WebKit—Safari ceased to work, as did any WebKit-dependent app). I'm not sure how much Apple's improved the Upgrade function with 10.4, but I plan on sticking to A&I for my own PowerMac G4 and PBG4.

 

[A-race]

I would still recommend Archive & Install with user and network settings preservation. It's just much better for stability and reliability. I've gone through this on 3 Macs in my house with Panther—2 updates, one archive & install. I ended up having to do an archive & install all over again on one of the updates because it started having odd problems (particularly with WebKit—Safari ceased to work, as did any WebKit-dependent app). I'm not sure how much Apple's improved the Upgrade function with 10.4, but I plan on sticking to A&I for my own PowerMac G4 and PBG4.

Same. A&I makes the most sense...you get pretty much a new system but have all your apps, bookmarks, docs, etc. in the same place. Just much easier than clean and less buggy/problematic than upgrade.

 

[tomdavies]

that's not necessary true
java 1.4.2_07 could be default JVM
and Java 5 could be installed too (I doubt that, though)
most likely Java 5 will be installed via Software Update

You're right, a better test would be:

ls /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/

 

[blufire]

Many of you have probably already seen this link from macbytes, but for those who haven't..

First Impressions of Tiger:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@44.4hXkap3GSNx.1@.68acf21b/9

 

[eXan]

Anyone tested with xbench before/after Tiger?

Yes, I did test in 10.3.9 and now im gonna try 10.4 (yes I have it !!! )

heres my screenshot. If you dont beleive me, ask for more

 

[powerbook911]

Thats great exan. Let us know how the xbench on Tiger compares to your Panther benchmark. How are you enjoying Tiger? Does it feel speedier?

 

[eXan]

Here are Xbench results:

10.3.9:
Results 67.75
System Info
Xbench Version 1.1.3
System Version 10.3.9 (7W98)
Physical RAM 640 MB
Model PowerMac4,4
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 700 MHz
Version 7450 (V'ger) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 700 MHz
Bus Frequency 100 MHz
Video Card GeForce2 MX
Drive Type ST3120023A
CPU Test 83.42
GCD Loop 79.93 3.12 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 86.19 311.70 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 84.96 2.47 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 84.13 1.31 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 82.18 3.29 Mops/sec
Thread Test 60.03
Computation 43.62 588.87 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 96.21 1.21 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 65.69
System 58.74
Allocate 448.61 292.63 Kalloc/sec
Fill 37.99 302.37 MB/sec
Copy 44.42 222.08 MB/sec
Stream 74.51
Copy 71.25 520.83 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 70.75 522.15 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 75.09 480.61 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 81.98 500.89 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 87.51
Line 77.31 1.97 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 84.92 5.97 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 88.95 2.05 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 79.40 862.71 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 116.41 1.90 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 71.32
Spinning Squares 71.32 49.91 frames/sec
User Interface Test 94.07
Elements 94.07 30.26 refresh/sec
Disk Test 42.78
Sequential 57.50
Uncached Write 48.95 20.40 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 48.64 19.92 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 100.68 15.94 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 53.63 21.67 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 34.06
Uncached Write 15.43 0.23 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 38.13 8.60 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 85.19 0.56 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 68.08 14.01 MB/sec [256K blocks]

10.4:
Results 74.44
System Info
Xbench Version 1.1.3
System Version 10.4 (8A428)
Physical RAM 640 MB
Model PowerMac4,4
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 700 MHz
Version 7450 (V'ger) v2.1
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 700 MHz
Bus Frequency 100 MHz
Video Card GeForce2 MX
Drive Type ST3120023A
CPU Test 83.96
GCD Loop 80.76 3.15 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 86.38 312.39 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 84.17 2.44 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 83.22 1.29 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 85.50 3.42 Mops/sec
Thread Test 61.32
Computation 43.75 590.64 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 102.49 1.29 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 74.86
System 76.86
Allocate 342.40 223.35 Kalloc/sec
Fill 76.34 607.63 MB/sec
Copy 43.46 217.29 MB/sec
Stream 72.96
Copy 70.17 512.94 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 69.52 513.03 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 73.41 469.85 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 79.56 486.10 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 82.25
Line 67.98 1.73 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 78.00 5.49 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 81.43 1.88 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 79.53 864.16 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 118.98 1.94 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 78.10
Spinning Squares 78.10 54.66 frames/sec
User Interface Test 133.59
Elements 133.59 42.97 refresh/sec
Disk Test 49.96
Sequential 60.63
Uncached Write 54.35 22.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 53.24 21.80 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 99.73 15.79 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 53.28 21.53 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 42.48
Uncached Write 22.08 0.33 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 42.11 9.50 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 92.49 0.61 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 69.97 14.40 MB/sec [256K blocks]


I have also noticed that screenshots are now written not to PDF, but PNG

 

[crzyltlman]

Archive and Install Question

I noticed that you all were talking about archive and install vs. clean install, so I figure I'll go ahead and ask here.

I have managed to forget my Master Password. Will an Archive and Install reset that, or will I have to do a Clean Install of Tiger to reset it?

 

[eXan]

Ok, Im off to do some UT2004 benchmarking. I'll post the results when I finish

 

[Mac_Freak]

Does any one who has Tiger know if Core Image supports ATI Mobility Redeon 9600 64MB video card?

 

[blufire]

Does any one who has Tiger know if Core Image supports ATI Mobility Redeon 9600 64MB video card?

Should be.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/121414/

 

[mambodancer]

CC Cloner

So now that I've got Tiger on my G5 and my PB, I'm anxious to do a mirror image bootable backup...it seems Carbon Copy Cloner 2.3 freezes at the point where you enter your administrative password just before "unlocking" it to tell it to go ahead and clone...ugh...did it on both my machines.

Does anyone know a "foolproof" way to make a bootable backup that retains all settings ?

- Eric

I've used the "Restore" command in Disk Utility to make an exact clone of my hard drive. Very easy...

 

[mambodancer]

Reset password

I noticed that you all were talking about archive and install vs. clean install, so I figure I'll go ahead and ask here.

I have managed to forget my Master Password. Will an Archive and Install reset that, or will I have to do a Clean Install of Tiger to reset it?

You can reset your password by booting from your OS X install CD and then selecting "Change password" from the menu bar. You shouldn't have to reinstall anything.