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Can you upgrade anything or will you still need a soldering machine to do that?
I would also love to have a better grasp of the GPU performance on the new 13” model... anyone ?
They should arrive in the stores soon, Friday/Saturday for most stores.
I feel you, his constant polemic and bitterness fits the profile pic in a way.
Sadly that fact also kind of makes me dislike Mike though.. I can't stand bladerunner2000's posts, honestly.
I appreciate polemic if it has a point and is well informed, but his is not. It's just bitching.
I desperately need a new laptop to replace my 2010 MBP which is crashing from kernel panics 12 times a day and not fixable. I'm spec'ing a new MBP and it's pushing upwards of $4,000! Not on my budget. Gotta do some serious thinking about this.
Well, if I had a s*** ton of cash, today would be a (relatively) happy day. The offering of 8th gen, 32GB, 1TB is sweet. But the price is a bitter pill, as usual...
[EDIT: And yes, 6-core is a nice upgrade, as well! Still, the price gives me nether-pains...]
[EDIT, EDIT: ...and mostly this is to do with the cost of getting past 512gb, which has just been a constant irritation for me with my 2016.]
[EDIT: And yes, 6-core is a nice upgrade, as well! Still, the price gives me nether-pains...]
[EDIT, EDIT: ...and mostly this is to do with the cost of getting past 512gb, which has just been a constant irritation for me with my 2016.]
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OK, here’s a prediction, based on an idea of Gruber’s:
In a week or so, someone does a teardown/disassembles the new keyboard, and we find that it’s in some way sealed. That makes it “quieter”, as well as prevents the dust jams.
Now, Apple can report the quietness, but can’t say they fixed a keyboard problem, as that would mean they admit the issue exists - which could be used against them in the lawsuits.
In a week or so, someone does a teardown/disassembles the new keyboard, and we find that it’s in some way sealed. That makes it “quieter”, as well as prevents the dust jams.
Now, Apple can report the quietness, but can’t say they fixed a keyboard problem, as that would mean they admit the issue exists - which could be used against them in the lawsuits.
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You must be joking.
These are the most powerful laptop CPUs, period. "Expected minimum" my ass..
I do, 1920x1200 makes everything too small. I prefer native 2x than more screen space.
I disagree...I think it's rhetorical bitching in that I don't see his posts everywhere...so pin-pointed bitching. It adds color to the fabric of macrumors.com.
2015 15" various specs still available - some below $2000, others almost $3600+.
I Agree,
But not for much longer. For the first time in years, many long-time hard core Apple users, have been switching to PC. Two years ago, when I had to buy a laptop for my son, I was waiting till they released the new MacBook Pro (with a touchbar 2016), and when I saw how bad it was designed, I actually bought the older Macbook Pro model.
I know many Pro users that are so frustrated, because there are not powerful computers (except the iMac Pro that was recently released and it is ridiculuosly expensive). They are actually buying old towers from 2012 and revamping them.
Apple is Sooooo out of touch with their customers needs that is beyond ridiculous. Many of their latest computer designs have been failures. Mac Pro (TrashCan), Macbook Pro with Touchbar, etc. And on top of that the upgrade cycles have become a joke (Mac Mini, Mac Pro, iMac, etc).
Users are tired of paying for computers that are badly designed, with lame specs and that are way overpriced.
Bad Designed: MAcbook Pro (they removed the Mag Safe, Limited ports, no legacy ports, etc)
Lame specs: The base model ships with 256 drive... really?
Way overpriced: The models without touchbar were not upgraded, so they are forcing the Touchbar Macbooks so they can charge more. A medium loaded Macbook is $3900 a fully loaded almost $7k ...really?
After being a long time Apple user, it is quite sad to see that Apple has become a telephone company, that does not care whatsoever about innovation.
I can get behind that. I use my 2016 MBP in clamshell mode most of the time anyway. The only reason I went with a laptop in the first place is that it was such a tremendous headache to have to sync files to a laptop when I needed my files on the go. I not only lost many hours every year to maintaining my filesystems, it was often in vain anyway as I'd inevitably forget something or there'd be an error and I wouldn't notice I was missing a crucial file until it was too late.
... Phil, is that you?
How on earth did they think 256GB would still be an acceptable entry level SSD size?
Maybe you should consider the 2017 model? I'm sure there will be discounts given the 2018 models are the same price for similar configurations.
I'm not sure what your definition of innovation is, but they're producing their own processors that could eventually find their way into the MBP. These are processors that are as powerful as the Intel processors, but less power hungry. What they're doing with HealthKit is interesting and it shows a company putting resources into a much needed sector of society that has been the graveyard of technology solutions for decades. I could go on and on, but these are my favorite two examples.
I'd love to see slicker laptops too. That's mostly what I care about today, but the future of the PC industry is stagnant and that has nothing to do with Apple. They'd be crazy to put computers at the top of their priority.
I am really trying to understand what people have against the Touch Bar so maybe you can help. By default, the Touch Bar essentially emulates the additional controls that Function Keys provided (volume, brightness, etc) except that the Touch Bar is context sensitive and thus can do a lot more. If, in the default set-up, you want to use the Touch Bar as Function Keys just hold the Function button (fn bottom left of the keyboard). If, however, you always want to access to the Function Keys you can change the default setting in System Preferences > Keyboard (check out this Apple Document). Then to access the Touch Bar instead of the now default Function Keys you use the Function button (fn).
This is EXACTLY how a Mac without a Touch Bar behaves. By default the Function Keys act as volume, brightness, etc, unless you hold down the Function key (fn) or you change the default behaviour in System Preferences. Except that the Touch Bar is capable of so much more than the Function Key Macs given it is context sensitive in different Apps. As well, you can set up your Mac to use Touch Bar in some apps but Function Keys in others which I don't believe you can do on a standard keyboard.
So why do I care? Because I am a keyboard junkie in the apps that I use everyday (mostly NLEs like Media Composer, FCP X, Premiere Pro, etc) and for those apps I like having the Function Keys up. But for apps I do not use often and therefore don't know the keyboard shortcuts as well I use the Touch Bar because, well, then it is helpful having context sensitive functions right there in front of me that I don't have to search a menu for.
Conclusion: the Touch Bar / Function Key switching is exactly the same as the standard function key keyboard but offers far more versatility. So what is there to hate?
Probably not. On processor intensive tasks my 2010 Mac Pro can outperform my 2012 rMBP with quad core i7 despite the rMBP having better specs. I assume this is due to thermal throttling.
ProMotion and SuperRetian Display have been left out for a future refresh to nickel and dime the uninformed.
Once you have used ProMotion on an iPad Pro other displays look archaic in comparison. TrueTone is nice, however ProMotion and/or SuperRetina would have been better. Considering their is NightShift in macOS and TrueTone really benefits for reading eBooks, something one does on a phone or tablet more so than a laptop.
In a nutshell, yet another disappointing MBP release. Wake me up when Apple releases something that is more interesting and beneficial to its loyal customers.
SIDE NOTE: Why is the TouchBar not located at the bottom of the display on the “display unit” vice on the main body parallel to the keyboard. This seems like poor UI/UX design, Apple has taken a nap in this department recently. Having a TouchBar at the bottom of the display would allow it to be a secondary interactive display an allow for physical multifunction keys on the keyboard, plus one does not have to alter their attention from the looking at the display to the TouchBar when interacting with onscreen elements. Apple has failed with this stupid design decision.
This is done on the iPad Pro when the Smart Keyboard cover is attached and it is done very well.
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And the most disgusting fact is that it’s soldered. No upgrading that beautiful $2000+ machine ever. A 256GB disposable MBP
Another opinion that will be unpopular around here: What if actually most people who have them appreciate the feel of the new keyboards? Obviously those who dislike it are more vocal about it... I think this to be quite likely.
Also no, prices have not gone up. Neither for 13" nor 15". It's just better stuff at the same price.
Overall I see no hints at a rushed release. A major redesign was not to be expected after less than 2 years, the last two redesigns were 4 years after the previous each.
This one is actually a pretty significant upgrade, much bigger than 2017. True Tone, T2 chip, even faster flash, faster/more RAM, bigger (probably redesigned) battery, ****ing biggest CPU upgrade since 2011, more VRAM standard. What other huge changes were you expecting?
It seems to me all the complainers have pretty selective perception..
Do you really need a MBP? If you're getting along fine on a 2010 MBP before the kernel panics, you're probably going to be just fine on a MacBook. You could even just buy a used unibody 2012 MBP.