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Highly unlikely. How they ditch a technology for two years and then re adopt it? Don’t think so imo.

Dunno. The capacitive home button also lasted two years. I'm a bit baffled they don't even use it on new iPads and still stick to the mechanical button.
 
Looking forward to the return of Touch ID, just hope my 8 plus can hold out until the end of 2021... if not I suppose grabbing a XR to use for a year or so won't be too much of a bother knowing it's an interim solution.
 
My gosh, what an inconvenience to actually have to touch your phone.
Isn't that the point though? Different wants and needs for all of us? Some don't like face id, some think it's better than touch id...etc.

I have friends and family members who refuse to use Face ID for various reasons, which means they have to go back to using a 4 or 6 digit passcode for security. That's just dumb- what is this, 2008? Ditching Touch ID is the perfect example of chasing form over function because people had to have slightly less bezel, which really only affected the head and chin of the phone, and gave us the notch instead.
My wife settled in to her new XR with face id very quickly. I haven't heard her say, I wish touch id was back...mostly because she never used touch id...entered her passcode. But she does use and like face id. Again, different strokes for different folks.
 
5G in loads of cities here in the UK (which surprised me) including ones I visit, also no extra charge on 3 and Vodafone, O2, although EE will have to fight that by dropping their price to compete possibly. So yep I'm interested in 5G next year, hardly use my camera apart from Pet pics and pics of my friends when we are out so not bothered to spend £1150 plus £199 for Applecare again this year for a third lens really. Also I would love fingerprint ID of some kind to come back, as an extra to FaceID which can be a real pain in direct sunlight or certain artificial lighting conditions.

I have a new 256GB iPhone XS (built in June 2019 going by the serial number) because my original September 2018 model died of ambient light sensor failure, and the replacement iPhone had way to many issues sadly but Apple really went the extra mile for me on sorting that out.

I'll still have Applecare till September 2020 so that's when I'll probably upgrade but it still may be 2021. Never buy revision one of a new design has served me well over the years, so I may leave it that extra year as long as the XS still works. Only time will tell.
The deployment of 5G to NYC isn't even on the radar, as far as I can tell. If you want a 5G phone upgrade, be it Apple or not, the big apple will not have 5g for you. I'm sure in the next few years all of this will be sorted out. But, imo, many people, won't care about 5g as much as good coverage and decent speeds. The lack of 5g on a phone, will probably not hamper some people to upgrade.

And of course a 100% accurate, robust FPS under glass would be welcome.
 
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Didn't Apple themselves claim that Face ID is much better than Touch ID and that's the reason they were completely switching over to it? I doubt they would come back out with it because they believe Face ID is better.

They do that with every technology and then backpedal later. Long Apple tradition.
 
But is it truly backwards? I mean it's still a new hardware implementation.

The function is the same to the end-user, most of which don't know the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit. Let alone a slightly different way of taking a thumbprint. They will just remember that's what Apple Used to do.
 
Didn't Apple themselves claim that Face ID is much better than Touch ID and that's the reason they were completely switching over to it? I doubt they would come back out with it because they believe Face ID is better.
Ahh, but even Face ID isn’t as good as Touch ID Pro!
 
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Didn't Apple themselves claim that Face ID is much better than Touch ID and that's the reason they were completely switching over to it? I doubt they would come back out with it because they believe Face ID is better.
Marketing People say a lot of things. Remember ‘retina display’ - your eye can’t appreciate anything better?

Big TouchID fan here so hoping it’s 2020, not 21.

For those who think this will raise prices, remember they already have the software for analyzing a print. And since other OEMs are embracing under screen readers the hardware shouldn’t be exorbitant either.
 
The deployment of 5G to NYC isn't even on the radar, as far as I can tell. If you want a 5G phone upgrade, be it Apple or not, the big apple will not have 5g for you. I'm sure in the next few years all of this will be sorted out. But, imo, many people, won't care about 5g as much as good coverage and decent speeds. The lack of 5g on a phone, will probably not hamper some people to upgrade.

And of course a 100% accurate, robust FPS under glass would be welcome.

I live in NYC and my Verizon guy told me last year when he came to hook up my Fios that 5G has been under development in select neighborhoods
 
So, two factor biometric authentication. I dig it.

I assume Apple wouldn't be doing this unless they could add the fingerprint reader tech into the iPhone for a low cost.
 
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I never understood all the people who say that Touch ID is better - have you ever tried to use touch id with wet hands or sweaty fingers? What's soooooooooo better about it, than Face ID?

I agree sweaty and wet fingers are annoying or even from a days work with grease fills in your print doesn’t work Face ID all the way. First gen Face ID was kinda annoying but it works flawless now for me anyway
 
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face is working fine for me, and by the time this news happens, the industry will already be on to something else.
 
Actually not. When I’m on my desk looking at the phone displays the notification. Without Face ID I would have to touch the phone.
Yeah i also love to hoover my face above the phone to be able to read incoming messages... (not)

FaceID alone just doesnt cut it. i never had these issues with TouchID alone, FaceID annoys me every single day.
 
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I don't see the point in this, Face ID is much better than Touch ID, unlocking my iPhone X with just a glance is much better. When the iPhone X first came out and mine landed on my doorstep, I was amazed at how accurate and easy it was to use Face ID. Personally I wouldn't go back to Touch ID.

I never understood all the people who say that Touch ID is better - have you ever tried to use touch id with wet hands or sweaty fingers? What's soooooooooo better about it, than Face ID?

Same here. I used to frequently get failures with Touch ID. Face ID is so fast and effortless that it feels like my phone isn't locked with a passcode.
 
EPIC EYEROLL. Apple patents stuff all the time that never comes to see light of day. They put way too much time and effort into marketing Face-ID as the safest for them to just double back. All this is just silly.
 
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Apple will launch an iPhone equipped with both Face ID and an on-display fingerprint sensor in 2021, according to a new investor note by Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and obtained by MacRumors.

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Kuo's prediction is based on Apple's patents related to fingerprint on display (FOD) and the continued use of the technology in Android smartphones, which together suggest to him that Apple will opt to bring fingerprint scanning back to its smartphone screens.
Apple has effaced fingerprint recognition entirely in its flagship smartphone lineup, which includes the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and LCD-based iPhone XR. Chinese mobile vendors meanwhile have gone in the opposite direction and extended the adoption of in-display fingerprint sensing technology from their premium smartphones to mid-range models, where they've proved just as popular.

Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on 2017's iPhone X, but the company ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID. However, Kuo argues that Face ID and FOD technologies are "complementary, not competitive," because multi-biometrics would offer authentication processes in circumstances where one or the other was inconvenient to use or simply unavailable.

Kuo believes that GIS and Qualcomm will benefit from iPhone's adoption of FOD, with the former providing the "large-area sensing ultrasonic" technology and the latter supplying the ultrasonic FOD module and lamination. Kuo also argues that the likelihood of FOD in iPhones will increase if Apple Watch supports a biometric function in the future.

Last month, Chinese media sources claimed Apple intends to launch a new iPhone for the budget-conscious Chinese market that features an under-display fingerprint sensor. However, those reports said the fingerprint scanning would replace rather than augment Face ID technology, which was deemed too expensive.

Barclays analysts also recently claimed that 2020 model iPhones will have acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID, following meetings with suppliers in Apple's Asian supply chain.

Before these reports, the consensus was that Apple is done with Touch ID in smartphones, despite having explored various in-display fingerprint scanner solutions in the past, including fingerprint sensing MicroLED displays. However, Touch ID has found a new lease of life on laptop keyboards, specifically in Apple's MacBook Pro range and the MacBook Air.

Article Link: Kuo: 2021 iPhone Will Feature Fingerprint-Sensing Display in Addition to Face ID
Oh my I sure hope so. I like Face ID ok but it is slower and inconvenient sometimes such as when my phone is on a desk and I want to wake it to view something quick without picking it up. I miss that about Touch ID.
 
Kuo is wrong on this one.

1. It will be Touch-ID instead of FaceID not both, because the whole point of in-screen Touch-ID is that you lose the bezels.
2. It will be 2020, it's ******** that the tech is 12-18 months away when the tech is already here and being used in flagship android phones, it just can use a little bit of improving to get to the point where it's again as good as Touch-ID was in terms of speed and reliability. But that's very much doable for 2020.


Flagship Android phones? Try a $260 Android phone - the Xiaomi A3 has it along with a 6" AMOLED screen, face-unlock (not as secure as Apple's Face ID) etc.

Love my iPhone 7+ and that's honestly the big selling point for Apple - the effectiveness of their OS on older models. Mine runs perfectly fine. So does my wife's 10 year old white unibody Macbook (with a bit more RAM and an SSD).

But man, Apple is SOOOOOO far behind on the flagship bells and whistles it's sad. I don't buy flagships, so no bother to me, but wow.
 
Kuo's predictions for iPhone tend to be spot on. I can't think of a time he was wrong about a major iPhone technology. When we move away from iPhone into iPad and MacBook territory, accuracy tends to decrease in terms of predicted launch period.
He tends to be very reliable but he's been wrong plenty of times. He also predicted under screen touch ID for iPhone X two years ago which never happened. He's good but he's not perfect. AND LOTS CAN GET LOST IN TRANSLATION.
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I much prefer they ditch the Face ID altogether.
Face ID was great in 2017,when under display touch ID technology wasn't available.
now it's available, and it's superior and much more ergonomic and convenient.

Using things like autofill passwords are WAY more convenient with face ID.
 
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