Kuo: 2021 iPhone Will Feature Fingerprint-Sensing Display in Addition to Face ID

[alpi123]

Haha, I wonder why it would it will take Apple that long to implement finger touch ID on-screen while competitors already have it.

You think they haven't? Lol. Competitors have been using facial recognition for a while also, but Apple's take on it is the best one (yet) and the most secure. The same will be with under glass touch ID.
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Attention Aware is periodic, it only scans after a period of inactivity. Fingerprint allows for scanning at every interaction. The phone can lock the moment someone else grabs and taps the phone.

This is actually a clever way to secure the phone. I hope Apple has thought of this and somehow can surprise us by adding this feature. But also, Face ID can do the same, but I guess it would use more power.

 

[Pagemakers]

I’d dump FaceID in a heartbeat. It especially terrible on my iPad Pro.

In-screen TouchID every time even if it is fractionally less secure.

 

[incoherent_1]

Face-ID is not designed work with sunglasses. The camera has to see your eyes.

It also won't work with Halloween masks. What a flawed system!

Nice attempt at a straw-man but millions of people don't walk around wearing Halloween masks every day (many for medical reasons)

Yes thank you for proving my point -- it is a flawed system if I have to walk around taking my sunglasses off every 5 minutes to unlock my phone. Particularly fun when I'm juggling groceries.

 

[Geoko78]

Never used face id and probably never will...i prefer to be energetic in terms of locking unlocking a device, meaning i prefer to unlock it with my finger when i decide to do so and not by looking with a dumb face at the camera while waiting for it to unlock.

 

[tsa1]

LOL this was supposed to be launching 2 years ago on the X. Good job, Apple. I get perhaps the tech wasn’t were they wanted it to be (likely too expensive), but come on.

 

[I7guy]

Nice attempt at a straw-man but millions of people don't walk around wearing Halloween masks every day (many for medical reasons)

Yes thank you for proving my point -- it is a flawed system if I have to walk around taking my sunglasses off every 5 minutes to unlock my phone. Particularly fun when I'm juggling groceries.

Touch ID was flawed as well. Didn’t work with gloves, wet hands (generally). Flawed system when playing in the snow I had to remove gloves. No system is perfect.
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LOL this was supposed to be launching 2 years ago on the X. Good job, Apple. I get perhaps the tech wasn’t were they wanted it to be (likely too expensive), but come on.

Likely didn’t work properly.

 

[Khedron]

Yea but just having someone’s fingerprint isn’t going to get you in their phone. Face ID isn’t that secure when family use it because it can think it is the same person.

Apple only likes to quote the chances of a random person being able to unlock your phone. They quietly ignore the fact that related people have correlated faces but not fingerprints.
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How many real confirmed cases of that do you know?

How many confirmed cases of TouchID not being secure enough?

 

[Pagemakers]

For 99% of us touch and face are both secure enough!!!!

Remember the days of a 4 digit pin!!

 

[I7guy]

Apple only likes to quote the chances of a random person being able to unlock your phone. They quietly ignore the fact that related people have correlated faces but not fingerprints.
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How many confirmed cases of TouchID not being secure enough?

How many confirmed cases (ie not on YouTube) of Face ID not being secure enough?

 

[Khedron]

How many confirmed cases (ie not on YouTube) of Face ID not being secure enough?

FaceID is fine for security but so is TouchID. FaceID is significantly more expensive though and people attempting to justify it as "more secure" using Apple's selective numbers are confused at best.

 

[yash.sharma]

Excited for the future of iPhone and what's new to come.

 

[I7guy]

FaceID is fine for security but so is TouchID. FaceID is significantly more expensive though and people attempting to justify it as "more secure" using Apple's selective numbers are confused at best.

Apple says face id more secure than touch id. If you want to challenge that assertion, that is up to you.

 

[Pagemakers]

What difference does it make? They are both very secure

 

[ipponrg]

That’s about as nebulous as one can get.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/att-5g-nyc/

There you go.

 

[Chris The Bipolarbear]

come on Mac rumors lets wait for 2019 models before going on to other years!!!!

 

[mrkite77]

I never understood all the people who say that Touch ID is better - have you ever tried to use touch id with wet hands or sweaty fingers? What's soooooooooo better about it, than Face ID?

That's the old Touch ID. I never have a problem unlocking my Pixel 3A, even with completely wet hands. Fingerprint technology has advanced quite far since Apple switched away from it.

 

[I7guy]

https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/att-5g-nyc/

There you go.

"Not quite a resounding victory"? I'm looking for all 4(3) carriers blanket every square inch of NYC with 5G. Not a square block. Then one can say, NYC has a 5G rollout.

 

[ipponrg]

"Not quite a resounding victory"? I'm looking for all 4(3) carriers blanket every square inch of NYC with 5G. Not a square block. Then one can say, NYC has a 5G rollout.

What it's saying is that 5G is getting developed.

This is in response to your original comment that you selectively decided to forget: "The deployment of 5G to NYC isn't even on the radar, as far as I can tell."

I suppose by that strange logic since FIOS isn't available in every square inch of NYC, then NYC must not have FIOS.

 

[I7guy]

What it's saying is that 5G is getting developed.

This is in response to your original comment that you selectively decided to forget: "The deployment of 5G to NYC isn't even on the radar, as far as I can tell."

I suppose by that strange logic since FIOS isn't available in every square inch of NYC, then NYC must not have FIOS.

You’re right, the carriers are starting to “try” to implement 5g in NYC...IMO it will be a few years. Don’t get me started on that half-baked Fios rollout.

 

[Khedron]

Apple says face id more secure than touch id. If you want to challenge that assertion, that is up to you.

Apple says it's more secure for the case of a random person somewhere in the world trying to unlock your phone.
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What difference does it make? They are both very secure

FaceID costs about 5 times more, and far more than the Qualcomm licence fee that Apple's lawyers were crying hurt customers.

Which is why no other manufacturer bothers, and why Apple will drop it.

 

[I7guy]

Apple says it's more secure for the case of a random person somewhere in the world trying to unlock your phone...

Do you have references for this? I dont think apple said exactly that.

 

[Khedron]

Do you have references for this? I dont think apple said exactly that.

"The probability that a random person the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID)... The probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings that look like you as well as among children under the age of 13, because their distinct facial features may not have fully developed. If you're concerned about this, we recommend using a passcode to authenticate."

https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/FaceID_Security_Guide.pdf

 

[I7guy]

"The probability that a random person the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID)."

https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/FaceID_Security_Guide.pdf

Right. And that’s different than what you said. You added the “more secure”, which is made up. The word “different” does not equate to more secure, unless you can prove it.

 

[Khedron]

Right. And that’s different than what you said. You added the “more secure”, which is made up.

Apple recommends not using FaceID if you want to protect your phone against family members. They never made that recommendation for TouchID.

 

[I7guy]

Apple recommends not using FaceID if you want to protect your phone against family members. They never made that recommendation for TouchID.

That’s not what they said. They used the word “different”. But we could pick apart the semantics. Touch ID has already been broken by smart kid to sleeping mom. So if one wants to eliminate the odds use a complex passcode and don’t tell your kids what it is.