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Kuo: 2021 iPhone Will Feature Fingerprint-Sensing Display in Addition to Face ID
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I agree with this. FaceID is fine. More than fine. I can't imaging the Secure Enclave having to store face and fingerprint. How much more is this going to cost?
Maybe there will be multiple iPhones---a less costly one for the BRIC nations with a new form of TouchID and a FaceID model for the more wealthy countries.
Yea but just having someone’s fingerprint isn’t going to get you in their phone. Face ID isn’t that secure when family use it because it can think it is the same person.
Right? I often have gloves on at work, or when I'm cooking at home don't want to get food on the phone.
In regard to power, I don’t know but last I checked people need look at the screen to operate their phone.
You can't have the flood illuminator, dot projector, and IR camera working all the time for continuous biometrics. Ultrasonic fingerprint sensors consume an order of magnitude less power.
Haha, I wonder why it would it will take Apple that long to implement finger touch ID on-screen while competitors already have it.
I feel that Ming-Chi Kuo is reaching at straws to see what hits now more than ever before. Fingerprint through glass on iPhone cause rumours!
Except in many cases FaceId will have already unlocked your phone before u even got a chance to press your finger...
Great news. Still after all these years I still only have about a 60% - 70% success rate with Face ID. Guess I’m holding it wrong.
yeah, done it many times, also have an alternative appearance set.
it doesn’t like to work when I’m sweating or when I have bright sunlight on my face, I think. But the majority of the time it’s just because I don’t look straight on at my devices when using them, or I’m holding my phone too far away from my face. Often have to consciously move the device to my face for it to work. Anyways, it just doesn’t work well with how I interact.
Until Apple says improved fingerprint scanning or whatever other biometric security scanning is better and then people like you will jump on that bandwagon and say that is better than FaceID.
I have seen this rhetoric played out for years by forum members who flip flop to the marketing manipulation.
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Does not matter to me if it is Touch or Face biometric authentication, however what if this new version of the Touch technology fixes the shortcomings of the present implementation. What is your view on it then?
If they can figure out how to make it work with my sling hands, great. However. I pick up my wife’s XR, and it doesn’t matter how I hold it. I pick up the phone, and I start using it. I don’t have to think about it. Now, perhaps touchID could evolve to include sensors on the whole phone, and no matter how I pick it up, it works, even if I’ve slathered my hands in soap. The point for me is that I just want it to work, be secure, and not be in the way of using the device. Like passwords. The sooner I never have to ever reset, confirm, or enter a password, the better. Whatever tech Apple or anyone else develops that gives me those things... I will embrace and applaud it wholeheartedly. For now, I see FaceID being the superior tech, but there’s always the possibility that could change.
For people who say you can’t use touchid with wet hands, how do you use the phone. The touch screen also doesn’t work well with moisture.
Face ID tech has uses that Touch ID does not, like AR support, Animoji's (not the most useful example, admittedly), etc.
I wouldn't hate on having both and using either or (and optionally for paranoid users or apps, both) as long as there's no major design tradeoff and the cost increase is low two digits (to the left of the decimal). If they could come up with Voice ID that couldn't be fooled by a recording, that would be cool too, esp. in situations where hands or face might not be handy.
I wouldn't hate on having both and using either or (and optionally for paranoid users or apps, both) as long as there's no major design tradeoff and the cost increase is low two digits (to the left of the decimal). If they could come up with Voice ID that couldn't be fooled by a recording, that would be cool too, esp. in situations where hands or face might not be handy.
I would not necessary say one or the other is superior, both have advantages and disadvantages. I believe the system will work in concert where if you pick it up and the angle is met then FaceID will unlock the phone and if FaceID is out of range or angle one can use TouchID v3 (or whatever they call it). In the end it is a win for the customer unless the price increases.
FaceID presently has limitations for distance scanning and angles. I will gladly take both.
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Face ID already prevents the screen from dimming using attention detection. More likely that Face ID does continuous auth over finger prints.
Attention Aware is periodic, it only scans after a period of inactivity. Fingerprint allows for scanning at every interaction. The phone can lock the moment someone else grabs and taps the phone.
I was one of those people that defended Apple when it comes to rolling out technology, but waiting until 2021 to add underscreen finger censor when the technology is on the market today is too much...
because not all of us enjoy the "notch" look screen.
because not all of us want our faces recorded in data hoarding databases to be shared with others
because not all of us enjoy the "notch" look screen.
because not all of us want our faces recorded in data hoarding databases to be shared with others
Relative to the fingerprint sensor you may be right, but relative to the power needed for the main display, it might not be that much. It also doesn't have to be on 100% of the time, if it were only on while there is any tactile interaction with the phone (as it would be only then that a fingerprint sensor could provide input) that probably cuts things down by at least a factor of ten compared to the time the display needs to be powered. Even with maximum security in mind, I'd say that neither a fingerprint sensor nor FaceID needs to be on 100% of the time.
And thinking about this makes clear that FaceID and TouchID complement each other nicely. A fingerprint sensor cannot provide input while there is no finger on the screen (unless we also have fingerprint sensors on the complete back and sides of the phone and even then one might have put the phone down on a surface). Plus each of them has blindspots. For fingerprints that's gloves, wet fingers or for some people that did to much manual work in their life, degraded fingerprints, something that can also temporarily happen (try rock climbing, it can compromise your fingerprints for hours or even days). For FaceID that is obviously clothing obstructing your face, bright sunlight or simply being outside the acceptance angle or distance. The same applies for continuous identity monitoring, move your finger off the screen and only FaceID can help for example.