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Kuo: 2021 iPhone Will Feature Fingerprint-Sensing Display in Addition to Face ID
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Apple has a low-cost iPhone almost ready, for the Chinese market.
It includes ONLY the under-display fingerprint sensor ... i.e., NO FaceID.
IMO, I believe Apple is hesitant to release it simply because the rest of the world would be clamoring for it !
It includes ONLY the under-display fingerprint sensor ... i.e., NO FaceID.
IMO, I believe Apple is hesitant to release it simply because the rest of the world would be clamoring for it !
You were excited last 2017, and in 2020 you will not be excited too coz 2022 will have great rumors by then.
I would welcome both, but if it were a choice between the two, I'm picking Face ID unless in display Touch ID truly was anywhere on the screen. Even then, I have found Face ID gen 2, especially running iOS 13 to be so quick and accurate. There are just so many instances where Face ID is more convenient for me than Touch ID.
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Just a matter of time before Apple re-adopts fingerprint. If Apple wants good security, fingerprint offers it through continuous biometrics authentication. Every time you interact, you're being authenticated. This isn't possible with Face ID - not from a power perspective.
This isn't your grandpa's fingerprint tech. Today, ultrasonic fingerprint sensors can read the capillaries under the finger. The old myth about 1:50,000 odds no longer applies. Reading capillaries also means additional health features.
Glideslope, Excellent post.
I don't think you're going to be giving Apple any news flashes about fingerprint ID, etc. They literally bought the leading company who has the top patents, engineers, etc., in the field, Authentec. There are few things more important at Apple then the security of its devices. Apple is spending hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, has teams of engineers, the top in the country getting patents on sensor ID, including fingerprints, and working on security on its devices, so their understanding of the security is potentially better than yours and mine.
Just a matter of time before Apple re-adopts fingerprint. If Apple wants good security, fingerprint offers it through continuous biometrics authentication. Every time you interact, you're being authenticated. This isn't possible with Face ID - not from a power perspective.
This isn't your grandpa's fingerprint tech. Today, ultrasonic fingerprint sensors can read the capillaries under the finger. The old myth about 1:50,000 odds no longer applies. Reading capillaries also means additional health features.
Glideslope, Excellent post.
I don't think you're going to be giving Apple any news flashes about fingerprint ID, etc. They literally bought the leading company who has the top patents, engineers, etc., in the field, Authentec. There are few things more important at Apple then the security of its devices. Apple is spending hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, has teams of engineers, the top in the country getting patents on sensor ID, including fingerprints, and working on security on its devices, so their understanding of the security is potentially better than yours and mine.
I do believe Koh is not the first to claim this, but he’s the only one that’ll be reported for saying it.....
Anyway the reason for this is because governments have apparently stated this type of security will be required for your phone to contain your passport info and act as your passport, not that I’d trust Apples security after recent revelations.
Anyway the reason for this is because governments have apparently stated this type of security will be required for your phone to contain your passport info and act as your passport, not that I’d trust Apples security after recent revelations.
I can’t agree on that. Everyone I’ve shown it to thinks it’s cool and high-tec.
I loved Touch ID but don’t want to go back after using FaceID - the difference in reliability and accessibility is night and day. I frequently found myself typing in my password before; my fingers where worn from “rough” work, wet or with gloves...
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was more targeted at iPads than iPhones. Although our iPad Pro (9.7”) is primarily mine, my family uses it too. I can register several finger prints with TouchID, but doesn’t FaceID limit you to a max of two faces? On the other hand, my phone is much more private.
Apple will launch an iPhone equipped with both Face ID and an on-display fingerprint sensor in 2021, according to a new investor note by Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and obtained by MacRumors.
Kuo's prediction is based on Apple's patents related to fingerprint on display (FOD) and the continued use of the technology in Android smartphones, which together suggest to him that Apple will opt to bring fingerprint scanning back to its smartphone screens.
Apple has effaced fingerprint recognition entirely in its flagship smartphone lineup, which includes the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and LCD-based iPhone XR. Chinese mobile vendors meanwhile have gone in the opposite direction and extended the adoption of in-display fingerprint sensing technology from their premium smartphones to mid-range models, where they've proved just as popular.
Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on 2017's iPhone X, but the company ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID. However, Kuo argues that Face ID and FOD technologies are "complementary, not competitive," because multi-biometrics would offer authentication processes in circumstances where one or the other was inconvenient to use or simply unavailable.
Kuo believes that GIS and Qualcomm will benefit from iPhone's adoption of FOD, with the former providing the "large-area sensing ultrasonic" technology and the latter supplying the ultrasonic FOD module and lamination. Kuo also argues that the likelihood of FOD in iPhones will increase if Apple Watch supports a biometric function in the future.
Last month, Chinese media sources claimed Apple intends to launch a new iPhone for the budget-conscious Chinese market that features an under-display fingerprint sensor. However, those reports said the fingerprint scanning would replace rather than augment Face ID technology, which was deemed too expensive.
Barclays analysts also recently claimed that 2020 model iPhones will have acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID, following meetings with suppliers in Apple's Asian supply chain.
Before these reports, the consensus was that Apple is done with Touch ID in smartphones, despite having explored various in-display fingerprint scanner solutions in the past, including fingerprint sensing MicroLED displays. However, Touch ID has found a new lease of life on laptop keyboards, specifically in Apple's MacBook Pro range and the MacBook Air.
Article Link: Kuo: 2021 iPhone Will Feature Fingerprint-Sensing Display in Addition to Face ID
China is where Apple needs to behave like a normal company without customers defending their BS
Like with the useful, standard dual physical SIM in China, whereas elsewhere they side with phone companies ripping people off with their poorly supported eSIM
Some exec must have just purchased a motorcycle over the summer and realized Face ID does not work w/ a helmet on - so a decision was made to integrate Touch ID again.
Out of curiosity, do you currently have an iPhone with FaceID? I quite like it so I am not sure I understand the disgust.
Yeah, TouchID was great most the time and FaceID is great even more of the time (for me). Why is it a big deal to have both? Why are people getting upset about this?
Okay, but why? To me Face ID is much faster and more likely to work on the first try. I bought a $15 wireless charging cradle on Amazon and my phone stands up in it on my desk all day, so it's easy to unlock in that position (still on my desk). I don't care that it's staring at me all day. It is a little weird in public I guess holding the phone up to do Apple Pay stuff, but most places still don't accept that so I never use it.
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What... ? There's so much incorrect in what you just said, I'm not sure where to begin.
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FaceID isn't going anywhere. I think it's fine to give people choice, but facial recognition/scanning is where everything is headed. In 10-20 years we'll all be continuously scanned in and outside of the home. I'm not sure if privacy fanatics should go ahead and have their nervous breakdown now or later.
On Apple Watch, yes, that would be great. Returning to Touch ID on iPhone? I don't see it happening.
Face ID is just superb.
I've got several different glasses that I wear and it never fails to recognise me with any of them on.
It's also gotten faster since I bought my iPhone X.
I got fed up with Touch ID failing due to doing some work around the house and my fingers getting rough, it just isn't as reliable.
I wouldn't buy an iPhone or iPad without Face ID now.
Since i can login to my Macs using my Apple Watch it makes more sense to move Touch ID to the watch screen.
"Apple's patents related to fingerprint on display (FOD) and the continued use of the technology in Android smartphones"
Apple has patents on folding screens but I don't see them coming any time soon.
As for Android, no one in camp Droid has come up any with decent Face ID tech yet. Apple's way ahead there...
Face ID is just superb.
I've got several different glasses that I wear and it never fails to recognise me with any of them on.
It's also gotten faster since I bought my iPhone X.
I got fed up with Touch ID failing due to doing some work around the house and my fingers getting rough, it just isn't as reliable.
I wouldn't buy an iPhone or iPad without Face ID now.
Since i can login to my Macs using my Apple Watch it makes more sense to move Touch ID to the watch screen.
"Apple's patents related to fingerprint on display (FOD) and the continued use of the technology in Android smartphones"
Apple has patents on folding screens but I don't see them coming any time soon.
As for Android, no one in camp Droid has come up any with decent Face ID tech yet. Apple's way ahead there...
The chain is only as strong as its weakest link. What’s the point of fingerprint scanner when Face ID is more secure and harder to hack? Finding your fingerprint is easier than getting 3D scan of your face.
