Why do you think you need 5G? You can already stream 4K video multiple times over current technology.
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Kuo: All 5G iPhones on Track to Launch in Fall 2020, Including Both Sub-6GHz and mmWave Models
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Why do you think you need 5G? You can already stream 4K video multiple times over current technology.
People aren't stupid that they are going to keep buying a notch screen iPhone for ten years and maybe you need to wake up and man enough to admit it's the worst screen design ever existed on the market.
One of the biggest benefits I've noticed with each cell technology rollout, at least in Toronto, is that it often eases congestion, at least temporarily.
Typically, the installed base of devices with the new generation of cellular tech is low in the first couple of years, so those who can make use of it (in areas of coverage, with the appropriate equipment) get better support. While speeds may or may not be significantly improved, consistency can be improved in congested areas.
For example, the highest traffic Apple Store in North America is in the Toronto Eaton Centre. Despite having repeaters, people often had 3G congestion issues in that mall. When 4G was introduced, people with 4G would get better cell bandwidth more consistently, even though the speeds were not necessarily better than what 3G could achieve. Those still on 3G hardware continued to have congestion issues however.
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In a word… convenience.
Maybe there are benefits in durability to Lightning, however, if there are durability concerns with USB-C why would Apple put USB-C into the current iPad Pros? Let alone having it as the only port on the MBPs for some time.
I'm one who likes simplicity and to be able to bring a single small charger and a single cable for my MBP, tablet and phone when travelling, especially long haul, is hugely advantageous. Having everything interchangeable makes life so much easier. Shorter trips with cabin baggage only its a compact 40W fast charger for the Note 10. Longer I'll go 60W which better matches my MBP. I'd like to do away with the days where you had to have a different cable for every device you've got and Lightning has become the odd one out. Everything for me is USB-C, including adapters, except for the iPhone… it's a bit of a pain.
Apple had its opportunity to have their say just like everyone else when the powers that be were deciding on the USB-C connector.
Let's hope then Apple will release a MBP with four lighting ports next just for you
LOL is she smoking in that picture?Heh. Every generation when someone points out that the arguments against new cellular technology are the same as previous generations, there is a followup series of posts as to why this generation is so different than previous generations.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves on. In any case, if you don't want or need it, then don't pay for it, simple as that. Some technology rollouts progress quicker than others, but it should be noted that the 5G roll out already began last year, and Apple typically skips the first generation. In 2020, we are already in the second generation of 5G tech.
It should be noted that we also get these types of questions with every new piece of cellular tech introduced, and it kind of reminds me of this picture.
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It's always good to be concerned about your health but many people would benefit far more from stopping smoking or other such vices, getting more exercise, and eating a balanced healthy diet, instead of worrying about brain cancer from cell phones or microwave ovens.
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BTW, the biggest worry I have about this 5G discussion is that the existence of these timing arguments amongst analysts points to 5G iPad Pros later rather than sooner.
As an owner of both USB-C and Lightning products, I would prefer to have just one tech for everything, but I must admit that that my USB-C ports/cables seem to loosen over time, although some of them may have been loose to begin with. For example, for my MacBook, some dongles I have for it now are very loose. They work fine, but it always feels like any bump would disconnect them. This is generally not the case with any of my iPhones or iPads, and we still have ones from as far back as the iPhone 5. (The exception to this rule is when the Lightning port gets clogged with lint, but once I remove the lint, the Lightning connection is firm as ever.)
OTOH, external drive support is an annoyance with Lightning. There is not enough power provided. USB-C solves this problem. But then again, it's more important on the iPad line, and at least for the iPad Pros, Apple has already moved to USB-C.
OTOH, external drive support is an annoyance with Lightning. There is not enough power provided. USB-C solves this problem. But then again, it's more important on the iPad line, and at least for the iPad Pros, Apple has already moved to USB-C.
Heh. Every generation when someone points out that the arguments against new cellular technology are the same as previous generations, there is a followup series of posts as to why this generation is so different than previous generations.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves on. In any case, if you don't want or need it, then don't pay for it, simple as that. Some technology rollouts progress quicker than others, but it should be noted that the 5G roll out already began last year, and Apple typically skips the first generation. In 2020, we are already in the second generation of 5G tech.
It should be noted that we also get these types of questions with every new piece of cellular tech introduced, and it kind of reminds me of this picture.
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It's always good to be concerned about your health but many people would benefit far more from stopping smoking or other such vices, getting more exercise, and eating a balanced healthy diet, instead of worrying about brain cancer from cell phones or microwave ovens.
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BTW, the biggest worry I have about this 5G discussion is that the existence of these timing arguments amongst analysts points to 5G iPad Pros later rather than sooner.
So what about those who take good care of their health, and are just concerned about further things potentially interesting them? Would you put a 5G tower next to your newborn child's crib? Would you choose to live in an area that previously impacted by a nuclear power plant leak? Would you buy a house next to a giant electrical power station, or high voltage lines right outside your window?
Do you also scoff at people who buy organic food vs non organic?
I think there are legitimate reasons to care, and so do some of the scientists.
I know I'm going to get lambasted but can someone explain to me the advantages of a 5g phone? At least in the states where data is expensive. If someone was going to use their 5g cellular for their home/office internet, and they had cheap or truly unlimited data, then I could see the benefit. But on current US carrier plans it just seems like a 5g connection would burn through that data a hell of a lot faster. I don't really see what else it's good for, 4g seems good enough to stream at current smartphone resolutions. Are consumers really downloading such large files or streaming insane resolutions? Is it latency or some other performance metric? Honestly curious as it seems like 5g is such a big deal.
This is precisely the type of misinformation that irritates me so much. Buying a cell phone that meets all regulatory requirements is obviously not the same thing as moving into the area next to the Chernobyl leak.
Now that you mention it, perhaps people should look into this more than they do, because much of the support of "organic" farming is based on a total lack of understanding of the science and practices relating to it.
Mythbusting 101: Organic Farming > Conventional Agriculture
For the record, I don't buy organic, because I think it's a waste of money, as it provides essentially no health benefits in its current form.
As I already mentioned earlier in this thread, one of the likely benefits will likely be a side effect. Those in 5G areas with 5G hardware will be in a relatively exclusive club that excludes all non-5G hardware, meaning that they may enjoy better more reliable/consistent speed, at least temporarily. This happened with the 3G to 4G transition for example, until everyone got on 4G and congestion returned.
Furthermore, one thing to note is that 5G isn't just about raw speed. 5G should decrease latency, and latency generally has more effect on perceived speed than actual raw speed.
In any case, it's not as if those who bought the iPhone 11 Pro last year or even the XS in 2018 should necessarily run out and buy the 12 Pro this fall just to get 5G. Far from it. OTOH, I don't think it makes a lot of sense in 2020 to buy a 4G LTE iPhone brand new unless you're getting a big discount on it, especially if you keep your iPhones a long time. Most Apple iPhone users actually keep their phones for 3-4 years on average. Yes, that is AVERAGE. That means if you're an average buyer, and in 2020 decide to get a new iPhone without 5G, you'll be without 5G until 2023-2024.
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Your opinion is not relevant to the 200 million who already bought a notch screen. Be a man and deal with reality. You’re not entitled to a notchless screen.
Where do you put all these sensors? Where? Have you ever considered that? Deal with reality. Whining and crying won’t get you what you want.
Hoping the "Smaller" iPhone rumor pans out. I love my iPhone SE but it's clearly up on the chopping block for OS support this year, and it's need of a new battery as well--if I can roll that $50 into a new phone instead that'd be stellar.
For me it would be good just for my MacBook/iPad/iPhone to have the same but not a huge deal as I never charge my phone more than once a day...it could go two days really
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Aegh, the Mail app. Sorting other than by unread is completely missing, deleting emails en-masse sucks, took me forever to figure out how to create a rule to block senders (click on the sender's name text...who knew??). I've gotten to the point where I could use it if I CONSTANTLY cleared my inbox and created rules for EVERY DAMN THING, but the iOS way of doing anything is WAY different from the desktop version. The Sammy mail app behaves like I EXPECT it to. That said, I've been training on my wife's device from time to time...
As far as Samsung's "scattergun " approach, I disagree. What you call scattergun I call choice. I have multiple ways of doing things, so I get to pick what I prefer, as opposed to Apple's "my way or the highway" approach. For me, the "highway" it is.
That's not to say Sammy does EVERYTHING better. Apple has it's strengths. But as far as intuitiveness and usability, iOS is PAINFUL for me to use because it's a DIFFERENT OS. I find Android is more desktop-like.
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I'm sure I cannot present an argument in favor (that hasn't been presented already somewhere) that'll convince you of it's value.
You said it yourself, you could care less if they remove it.
In that case, what does it matter to you if they change it to what EVERYONE else uses?
This is precisely the type of misinformation that irritates me so much. Buying a cell phone that meets all regulatory requirements is obviously not the same thing as moving into the area next to the Chernobyl leak.
Now that you mention it, perhaps people should look into this more than they do, because much of the support of "organic" farming is based on a total lack of understanding of the science and practices relating to it.
Mythbusting 101: Organic Farming > Conventional Agriculture
blogs.scientificamerican.com
For the record, I don't buy organic, because I think it's a waste of money, as it provides essentially no health benefits in its current form.
As I already mentioned earlier in this thread, one of the likely benefits will likely be a side effect. Those in 5G areas with 5G hardware will be in a relatively exclusive club that excludes all non-5G hardware, meaning that they may enjoy better more reliable/consistent speed, at least temporarily. This happened with the 3G to 4G transition for example, until everyone got on 4G and congestion returned.
Furthermore, one thing to note is that 5G isn't just about raw speed. 5G should decrease latency, and latency generally has more effect on perceived speed than actual raw speed.
In any case, it's not as if those who bought the iPhone 11 Pro last year or even the XS in 2018 should necessarily run out and buy the 12 Pro this fall just to get 5G. Far from it. OTOH, I don't think it makes a lot of sense in 2020 to buy a 4G LTE iPhone brand new unless you're getting a big discount on it, especially if you keep your iPhones a long time. Most Apple iPhone users actually keep their phones for 3-4 years on average. Yes, that is AVERAGE. That means if you're an average buyer, and in 2020 decide to get a new iPhone without 5G, you'll be without 5G until 2023-2024.
Thanks for the information. I think I've only had my phone not work due to congestion once at a concert that was very populated, that was probably a few years ago but I'm pretty sure it was on 4g. But other than that I've been to tons of concerts and events with no issues. But I'm not discounting that point at all, it's just not something I experience regularly. Also with latency, how would you actually see this as a benefit, I'm asking as a non technical consumer. I'm trying to think of things where latency matters, maybe remote gaming/desktop use?
Complex web pages for example. This is less of a concern for pared down mobile sites for iPhones but is quite noticeable for desktop sites, for example if the site has no mobile version or if you’re using a cellular iPad or a tethered MacBook.
Get some compressed air and blow into the port. Most likely dust or other small stuff is stuck in there. I had that issue with my Note 9, where the cables would just fall out super easily and after cleaning it with a toothpick, good as new.
Interesting. I use my surface pro tethered to my iphone a ton, probably most days for a few hours and don't notice it's substantially slower than my desktop at home/office. I don't doubt that it probably is, but it doesn't seem very noticeable, but I suppose it also depends on which webpages I'm viewing.
I’m a minimalist now and would love for one charger to rule them all. My iPad, GoPro, my one Logitech mouse for all my computers, hell even this small light on my night stand has USB-C.