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This year? Care to link some references to that statement? And who makes better OLED panels?
Apple LCDs have better color accuracy. I never said Samsung doesn’t make the best OLED screens. We will see on the X, but I bet more emphasis will be on color accuracy with that one. Software can drive a lot of that, making a Samsung oled on Apple software slightly different.
 
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Apple LCDs have better color accuracy. I never said Samsung doesn’t make the best OLED screens. We will see on the X, but I bet more emphasis will be on color accuracy with that one. Software can drive a lot of that, making a Samsung oled on Apple software slightly different.
Hate to burst your bubble but, software can only do but so much. You wont magically gain brightness overnight, nor gain sRGB color accuracy that the panel didn't already have from manufacturing process. Also, the lcd's that Apple have purchased, do not have better color accuracy than the OLED's that Samsung produces. The iPhone X has an inferior panel to what several Android phones have been using for quite some time. You cannot compare a 600nit phone with barely a bump in resolution from its 750p/1080p panels to over 2k HDR 1200nit panels that Android's have been sporting for quite some time. Where do you get your info from? Macrumors.com?
 
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What if both your thumbs have already been chopped off because you’ve had your iPhone stolen twice? Bet you’d be thrilled with FaceID then—til your face gets chopped off the next time your phone gets stolen ;)

Yeah, before TouchID came out, people had all kinds of fears about the scary new technology. We’ll get over it when it actually gets released and we see how great it is. Then it’s not so frightening after all, and we can then talk about the magical new tech we have on our iPhones :)

In which case a mobile phone is not for you. Try using yours without thumbs :p
 
Samsung screens are not color accurate until this year and they still aren’t the best.

I've not tested any to know but for years all in-depth reports have said they ship with oversaturated colours BUT if you simply change to "Basic" colour mode (or something like that) they are very accurate indeed. It's another myth perpetuated in Apple forums by people who seem blinkered to Apple being the only company who can progresss tech...
 
Whether you use Face ID or not, every phone that has a button or a similar device on a bottom bezel will be considered old technology and begin to lose value.

I’ll survive, and frankly I don’t care. I like the size and form factor of the SE, I like the button because it’s tactile, I don’t need to look at it, I can feel it and use/operate it without diverting my attention at all. I simply value this more than having “new tech” all the time, I still haven’t seen a good usability argument for face-id, other than using the phone in the shower or skiing downhill. Arguing on the merrits on old versus new is just plain dumb, but it seems to be what Apple has trained the loyalists to do...
 
And that swipe up to unlock?
You can initiate that swipe to unlock before even looking at the phone. This will start the unlocking animation but whether that animation snaps back to the lock screen or ends with the unlocked home screen will be decided by the phone in the split second it sees your face and eyes and decides whether it is really you that is holding and looking at it.
 
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You can initiate that swipe to unlock before even looking at the phone. This will start the unlocking animation but whether that animation snaps back to the lock screen or ends with the unlocked home screen will be decided by the phone in the split second it sees your face and eyes and decides whether it is really you that is holding and looking at it.

Let's see in November how it works. Though I have my reservations, ordering one to judge the final product . Unless is brilliant, it's going back
 
Let's see in November how it works. Though I have my reservations, ordering one to judge the final product . Unless is brilliant, it's going back
Fair point: shortages might be handled most effectively if recycling/refurbishing for iPhone X would become mainstream (versus direct sales)
Tim: "Temporary demand has been staggering..."
 
Fair point: shortages might be handled most effectively if recycling/refurbishing for iPhone X would become mainstream (versus direct sales)
Tim: "Temporary demand has been staggering..."

The new MacBook Pro was hailed as the most popular ever preorder blah blah blah - it was the first ever MacBook Pro offered as pre-order . Apple in recent years has resorted to some real BS markerting statements, either through blatant arrogance or thinking it's fans as fools that will believe in anything . Sadly it's execs Have just got fatter and lazier.
 
Hate to burst your bubble but, software can only do but so much. You wont magically gain brightness overnight, nor gain sRGB color accuracy that the panel didn't already have from manufacturing process. Also, the lcd's that Apple have purchased, do not have better color accuracy than the OLED's that Samsung produces. The iPhone X has an inferior panel to what several Android phones have been using for quite some time. You cannot compare a 600nit phone with barely a bump in resolution from its 750p/1080p panels to over 2k HDR 1200nit panels that Android's have been sporting for quite some time. Where do you get your info from? Macrumors.com?
I don't live in a bubble. I actually own well into the 4 digits of AAPL shares so I have an intimate understanding of this market, because I have to. Does it make me somewhat biased, maybe...but I own a Note 4 today, not an iPhone. That will change with the X.

Samsung OLEDs have better specs. Absolutely. Higher resolution, higher PPI, and better nits brightness. Samsung has had higher specs and worse execution than iPhone for YEARS (still do, IMO).

I have a Note 4 in my pocket right now with a "better" screen the the iPhone, yet an iPhone 6 screen looks just as bright, more color accurate, and just as "HD" as the phone I use every day with better specs.

Specs are specs...for years, Android had better specs and still ran like crap, particularly RAM management. An iPhone with 2GB of RAM could keep more apps open than a Note with 4GB of RAM. You need execution too.

I'm not making up that OLED panels have been historically color inaccurate. DisplayMate tests screens and confirmed the iPhone 7+ was the most accurate ever tested.

I'm not sure where the S8 and Note 8 rank, which is why I caveated that THIS YEAR's Samsung lineup might have finally surpassed Apple's LCD is color accuracy. They may still haven't...too lazy to research it. Point is, OLED isn't automatically superior, execution matters, specs don't mean everything, and real world eye test still matters.

DisplayMate's Rankings (Didn't look at iPhone 8 vs Note 8/S8). Note, the iPhone 8 display is slightly improved over iPhone 7 and obviously the Samsung's improved too, but this is the data I had handy.

Grayscale accuracy
#1 iPhone 7+
#2 iPhone 7
#3 Note 7
#4 iPhone 6s
#5 S7 Edge

Saturation Accuracy
#1 iPhone 7
#2 iPhone 7+
#3 Note 7
#4 iPhone 6
#5 iPhone SE
#6 S7 Edge

DCI-P3 Accuracy
#1 iPhone 7
#2 iPhone 7+
#3 S7*

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No, not personally. I am repeating information from studies that have shown 300dpi is not the limit. Again there is no consensus but the range seems to be about 477 to 720, with the study from Sharp showing the limit near 1000.

https://mostly-tech.com/2013/11/08/debunking-the-retina-display-myth/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/what-is/ppi-pixels-per-inch/
https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

As to whether or not >300dpi is important, or whether battery life is more important... those are subjective opinions. I'm only speaking against the 300dpi "limit", which seems to have been repeatedly debunked.

OK - just be aware that the sources you cite are talking about optics (how light falls on the retina, ideally, not even accounting for all the scattering that can occur in the the light path to the retina). However, these articles do not discuss what information the brain can extract meaningfully from images of various dpi's falling on the retina. Again, for most people there is increasingly diminishing returns as the ppi increases past 300 dpi. Also, keep in mind that companies have an interest in convincing you that greater dpi is worth additional money. The same thing is true of companies trying to sell audiophiles stereo equipment that supposedly can handle sounds above 20KHz by digitizing songs and ludicrously silly high sampling rates.
 
You must have low standards or just want the "latest" if £1150 is a given without even trying it and judging for yourself
Except for the home button and FaceID the iPhone X is an iPhone 8 with a larger and better screen as well as a dual cameras (without the width of the iPhone Plus series). What else is there to know or try or judge? Are you suggesting I would forgo (for me) three years of objective iPhone advances because I might not like how the phone feels in my hand? That would be ridiculous behaviour. I haven't tried and judged any iPhone by myself before buying (except for deciding which colour to get). I see no need for such things for those able to read on such well-covered products like iPhones (not least since 99% of the user interface of an iPhone can be experienced by installing the OS it ships with on your current iPhone).

And regardless of all this, if FaceID is really bad, I will have no problems returning the phone or most likely even sell it at a profit.
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What are the pros/cons of Face ID over Touch ID?
You really don't know?
 
Except for the home button and FaceID the iPhone X is an iPhone 8 with a larger and better screen as well as a dual cameras (without the width of the iPhone Plus series). What else is there to know or try or judge? Are you suggesting I would forgo (for me) three years of objective iPhone advances because I might not like how the phone feels in my hand? That would be ridiculous behaviour. I haven't tried and judged any iPhone by myself before buying (except for deciding which colour to get). I see no need for such things for those able to read on such well-covered products like iPhones (not least since 99% of the user interface of an iPhone can be experienced by installing the OS it ships with on your current iPhone).

And regardless of all this, if FaceID is really bad, I will have no problems returning the phone or most likely even sell it at a profit.
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You really don't know?

Geez.... after 10 years of home button ..... yeah..... it will function exactly how you expect it.... :confused:

What part of £1150 , which becomes £1350 with AC+ is not a factor ? I laugh when people ignore the two major issues with this phone , no home button and the cost.

How the phone feels in hand....wtf? Serious, missing all the point here .... don't worry just buy it and show it off to everyone ;)
 
I don't live in a bubble. I actually own well into the 4 digits of AAPL shares so I have an intimate understanding of this market, because I have to. Does it make me somewhat biased, maybe...but I own a Note 4 today, not an iPhone. That will change with the X.

Samsung OLEDs have better specs. Absolutely. Higher resolution, higher PPI, and better nits brightness. Samsung has had higher specs and worse execution than iPhone for YEARS (still do, IMO).

I have a Note 4 in my pocket right now with a "better" screen the the iPhone, yet an iPhone 6 screen looks just as bright, more color accurate, and just as "HD" as the phone I use every day with better specs.

Specs are specs...for years, Android had better specs and still ran like crap, particularly RAM management. An iPhone with 2GB of RAM could keep more apps open than a Note with 4GB of RAM. You need execution too.

I'm not making up that OLED panels have been historically color inaccurate. DisplayMate tests screens and confirmed the iPhone 7+ was the most accurate ever tested.

I'm not sure where the S8 and Note 8 rank, which is why I caveated that THIS YEAR's Samsung lineup might have finally surpassed Apple's LCD is color accuracy. They may still haven't...too lazy to research it. Point is, OLED isn't automatically superior, execution matters, specs don't mean everything, and real world eye test still matters.

DisplayMate's Rankings (Didn't look at iPhone 8 vs Note 8/S8). Note, the iPhone 8 display is slightly improved over iPhone 7 and obviously the Samsung's improved too, but this is the data I had handy.

Grayscale accuracy
#1 iPhone 7+
#2 iPhone 7
#3 Note 7
#4 iPhone 6s
#5 S7 Edge

Saturation Accuracy
#1 iPhone 7
#2 iPhone 7+
#3 Note 7
#4 iPhone 6
#5 iPhone SE
#6 S7 Edge

DCI-P3 Accuracy
#1 iPhone 7
#2 iPhone 7+
#3 S7*

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What does how much Apple stock you own have anything to do with this topic?
 
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I've not tested any to know but for years all in-depth reports have said they ship with oversaturated colours BUT if you simply change to "Basic" colour mode (or something like that) they are very accurate indeed. It's another myth perpetuated in Apple forums by people who seem blinkered to Apple being the only company who can progresss tech...

Right.. Before the last few years (S7, S8), THIS "MYTH" was ACCURATE: aka, not a myth.
OLED didn't emerge fully formed, it was initially extremely inaccurate and a hot mess.
Apple would not have used their own buyers as guinea pigs for 3-4 years, but Samsung did.

You do know where the hell you're posting! Are you just here to push buttons?
The one that looks blinkered by bias IS YOU.

Even now, the real world advantage of OLED vs LED are very very small even if you use the most accurate settings on the S8 (especially with the Iphone 8 having true tone). One the reason for that is that black point on a device often used in difficult lighting conditions that adversely affects contrast (outside, screen facing lighting) is less important that ability to fight off these lighting conditions with low reflectivity in the screen and high emissivity (high level of nits).

That's one part of the reason why Samsung's love of curved screens which introduce a hell of lot of reflexions is so stupid. It negates all OLED advantages and create a huge ass bezel of reflexion on the sides.

The biggest advantages of OLED are in fact not visible and are probably why Apple is using it. It takes a lot less space inside enabling more space for components. The power savings are a wash on a white screen but significant on a dark screen. Considering Apple didn't really enable a dark mode; that last consideration doesn't seem to be involved in their choice.
 
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