Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

[aleni]

No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

So you ever used a face-Id device to come out with that conclusion?

If apple doesn’t shoe-horn things into customers face that they’ve never asked for, then you would be using a nokia 9110zx with polyphonic ringtone right now in 2017.

 

[Abazigal]

I wonder if face ID will be the start of controlling your phone with your face and gestures. I know the Samsung S4 had something like that where you could scroll with your eyes, but it never worked right and Samsung chose to dump it rather than invest the resources to refine it (as they are wont to do).

The iPhone knows when I am looking at it and can track my facial expressions (evidenced by animoji), and that could open up to more precise functionality down the road.

 

[Ghost31]

I don’t know. I still want to be able to unlock my screen outside with FaceID while wearing dark sunglasses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I want to be able to unlock my phone with gloves on in the winter time or after coming out of the shower with wet hands, but we can’t always get what we want

 

[QCassidy352]

I want to be able to unlock my phone with gloves on in the winter time or after coming out of the shower with wet hands, but we can’t always get what we want

but imagine if a phone had both technologies? Touch ID for the summer, Face ID for the winter!

 

[Ghost31]

but imagine if a phone had both technologies? Touch ID for the summer, Face ID for the winter!

DONT GET ME ALL HOT AND BOTHERED OVER SOMETHING THAT WONT HAPPEN

 

[Leguna24]

He has a point.

 

[antonis]

I’m sure Apple appreciates your concern, but not to worry. They’ve been testing it for over a year. They nailed it.

I do wonder why you are putting yourself through all this unnecessary trauma; does it add to your happiness? No need to shorten your life with all this anxiety and worry, it’s not worth it!

Agree, it's not worth it. But there's no trauma or anxiety over this, it's just a discussion. Not sure why your reply has an Apple-PR style, but that's cool too. However, don't bet your money on the "they nailed it" argument, yet.
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I suspect Kuo to be Cupertino's ventriloquist's dummy
Mission: grow market confidence on FaceID - then ventilating silly farts like this.

Very much possible, who knows. Money can easily buy such kind of services.

 

[Tech198]

but imagine if a phone had both technologies? Touch ID for the summer, Face ID for the winter!

haha...oh good.....we get to choose.. Siri says "Sorry. TouchID is not available at this time. Please wait till summer." User: Are u kidding me? I wanna use my phone.

 

[UL2RA]

Amazing how Face ID has so many haters... when nobody's actually tried it yet!

Maybe because 80% of the time I'm unlocking my iPhone I'm not looking at it. I don't need to know why Face ID would be an inconvenience when I already know how I use my own phone all day every day. I wouldn't mind using Face ID at all if Touch ID was also an option. If I had to choose between either of them I would go with Touch ID every time.

 

[Jimrod]

another comparison with the Plus on top.. X on bottom..

if you want to watch the original/uncropped version of a movie, without the notch being in the scene..
the X will still show a larger version of the film:

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and don't forget, the bottom is also on a much smaller physical sized device.
this comparison would be much more extreme if doing X vs regular iPhone.

Is this not misleading due to the screen width of the iPhone 6/7/8 being the same as the X? So if you watch a movie which isn't stretched to fit then that dimension will be the limiting factor. 16:9 ratio content will look the same size even on the larger X as it does on the 6/7/8 - except you get more black space at the ends, or you expand content, lose top and bottom and gain a notch? While the phone itself is larger in every dimension and quite a bit heavier. It doesn't seem you're gaining a great deal for all the flash (and cost) with the X.

 

[Carlanga]

oh around 1985_ish..

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That's a non apple "iPhone" then

 

[MH01]

You're again assuming that the iPhone X needs the same 'starring' as the Samsung. And you might be able to unlock your phone without looking at it, but you won't be able to use the screen without looking at it. What great things can you do with your iPhone after unlocking it in your pocket?

That's not the point. I grab my phone from my pocket, thumb on the home button and by the time I look at it, it's unlocked . Last I checked mobile phone was a hand held/operated device.

faceid is trying to solve a problem that does not exist.

 

[Mildredop]

GOOD. Face ID is the future. I don't expect to see iPhones with 3.5 inch floppy drives either.

If Face ID is the future, and Touch ID is old tech, why have Apple only just put Touch ID on the MacBooks?

The MacBooks are immediately out-of-date now going by this article.

 

[Bacillus]

faceid is trying to solve a problem that does not exist.

Might very well be the case when it comes to identification (where many more unforeseen issues will arise)
But it has far more perspectives in different areas, that sadly are more forgiving than identification...

 

[Seanm87]

Like all the people praising it, it's bravery and it's "iconic" design... Before it's even available. Works both ways.

That’s an awful comparison. We can see the design already we don’t need to try it. It’s not a feature.

 

[Channan]

samsung scratching their plans to put a fingerprint under the screen now.

Scrapping

 

[Abazigal]

If Face ID is the future, and Touch ID is old tech, why have Apple only just put Touch ID on the MacBooks?

The MacBooks are immediately out-of-date now going by this article.

Because going by the rate at which Apple adopts and implements new tech, it may well be years before Face ID finally finds its way to the Mac, during which Touch ID will continue to serve as a viable stop-gap measure.

I have also noticed that MacBooks tend to come with rather crappy webcams, possibly because of the thinness of the screen. That could be a challenge when it comes to implementing Face ID components without also making the laptop screen thicker.

Who knows. Face ID may never come to MacBooks, or at least not in the near future until Apple works out a way to further miniaturise the tech.

 

[Mildredop]

Because going by the rate at which Apple adopts and implements new tech, it may well be years before Face ID finally finds its way to the Mac, during which Touch ID will continue to serve as a viable stop-gap measure.

I have also noticed that MacBooks tend to come with rather crappy webcams, possibly because of the thinness of the screen. That could be a challenge when it comes to implementing Face ID components without also making the laptop screen thicker.

Who knows. Face ID may never come to MacBooks, or at least not in the near future until Apple works out a way to further miniaturise the tech.

The MacBook screens are thick enough. And knowing Apple, if they weren't they'd just introduce a large lump to accomodate it.

It confirms that Face ID is quite a last-minute thing.

 

[jsalda]

I'm curious about it unlocking when I don't want it to unlock. So many times, I just lift my phone to see the notifications, but I don't unlock it unless something needs my immediate attention, and then, a lot of times I will just force-touch the notification and reply from the lock screen. If I understand FaceID correctly, as soon as I lift my phone, it's going to unlock, then I will have to swipe from the top to see my newest notifications. This would also negate the need for having notifications on the lock screen, since there effectively will be lock screen anymore.

 

[Abazigal]

I'm curious about it unlocking when I don't want it to unlock. So many times, I just lift my phone to see the notifications, but I don't unlock it unless something needs my immediate attention, and then, a lot of times I will just force-touch the notification and reply from the lock screen. If I understand FaceID correctly, as soon as I lift my phone, it's going to unlock, then I will have to swipe from the top to see my newest notifications. This would also negate the need for having notifications on the lock screen, since there effectively will be lock screen anymore.

From what I gather, it unlocks your phone when you look at it, but you still need to swipe up from the lock screen to go to your home screen. Else, you remain at the lock screen.

 

[Mildredop]

Scrapping

Scratching is perfectly acceptable.

SCRATCH - cancel or strike out (writing) with a pen or pencil.
"the name of Dr McNab was scratched out and that of Dr Dunstaple substituted"
synonyms: cross out, strike out, score out, delete, erase, remove, strike off, eliminate, cancel, expunge, obliterate
"many names had been scratched out or overwritten"

 

[manu chao]

That's not the point. I grab my phone from my pocket, thumb on the home button and by the time I look at it, it's unlocked . Last I checked mobile phone was a hand held/operated device.

And it is not possible that the unlocking happens so fast that it de facto feels as if is unlocked the moment you have focussed your eyes on the phone?
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Scratching is perfectly acceptable.

SCRATCH - cancel or strike out (writing) with a pen or pencil.
"the name of Dr McNab was scratched out and that of Dr Dunstaple substituted"
synonyms: cross out, strike out, score out, delete, erase, remove, strike off, eliminate, cancel, expunge, obliterate
"many names had been scratched out or overwritten"

Scratching is perfectly acceptable when used together with the preposition 'out'. It's only in conjunction with the preposition that the verb 'scratch' takes on the meaning in question, that it becomes a phrasal verb (a verb and a particle and/or a preposition together forming a single semantic unit).
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Are you serious? They could have allowed more fingers in a heartbeat.

They could have allowed more fingers in a heartbeat but there are reasons why they have limited it to five fingers. As Apple said during the iPhone X presentation, the chance that somebody else has (for the purposes of TouchID reporting it as such) the same fingerprint as you is one in 30'000. Whether that refers to a single fingerprint or to five fingers is not clear, but certainly, the more fingers you add, the higher those odds get. And since the TouchID fingerprint certainly isn't perfect in capturing your fingerprint (not least depending on how wet or dirty your finger is), those odds might not increase linearly with the number of enrolled fingers. Or that to achieve the same false positive rate, it would fail more often under non-ideal fingerprint reading conditions.

It might also affect speed (it is not know what part of TouchID is the rate-limiting step) or be limited by the amount of memory allocated to the secure enclave. It naturally is also possible that Apple partially also wanted to save people from the imagined need to record all ten of their fingers if the system allowed for it.

 

[QCassidy352]

haha...oh good.....we get to choose.. Siri says "Sorry. TouchID is not available at this time. Please wait till summer." User: Are u kidding me? I wanna use my phone.

I hope you're kidding, and you didn't really misunderstand my post that badly.

 

[MH01]

And it is not possible that the unlocking happens so fast that it de facto feels as if is unlocked the moment you have focussed your eyes on the phone?

And that swipe up to unlock?

 

[Regime2008]

So if the notch was not there you would have a larger bezel like the S8, the full width of the phone.
Essentially Apple have only made the bezel around a 1/3 (approximately) the size of Samsung’s and used the extra space as screen real estate.
I’m not sure why you can’t see this and I have no idea what you are talking about chips for.

Did you pull those numbers out of the air or something? 1/3? You realize there are plenty of android phones that have more screen to body ratio than the iphone x? It is nothing new. Even the Lg v30 has more screen to body ratio than th IPX.