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And I would argue that their solutions/replacements do not provide any functional benefits to most users, in fact have led to large inconveniences to most users.

That is irrelevant. Apple likes to remove things. You have to expect it, complaining about it is pointless - just don't buy their things.
 
It’s alright and I’m sorry if I sound grumpy about it but I AM Grumpymom. And really it’s frustrating because the IR emitter hurts the ever loving hell out of my eyes now. And I don’t know why. So far no damage has shown up on my exam, yet somehow the effect has been cumulative which means whatever happened inside my eyes left a permanent effect. It started with a mild sensation and now it just hurts. The last time I used the scanner it hurt for about an hour.

Now it’s starting to happen to my husband’s eyes. So he’s stopped using his scanner on his S8+.

I’ve got to hope Apple is much more careful than Samsung and did say more thorough testing than Samsung did, but I’m not guinea pigging this new tech with the only pair of eyes I’ve got. If I could go back in time and never use the blasted iris scanner on my Samsungs, knowing what would happen, I would definitely not. I did follow the directions about the safe minimum distance, too.
Seriously? That's horrifying. I'll be waiting to see if this is an issue with the X. No way I'm taking any risks with that. Sorry to hear that you've already experienced damage, but hopefully it can heal over time.
 
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Ok.... how do I make this simpler. By the time I’m ready to look at the phone, it’s already unlocked and at the home screen.

I see what you're saying but... Remember Apple uses analytics to determine what features will make the cut sometimes.

This comes down to how may other people uses their iPhones the way you do vs how many other people unlock their iPhones but stay at the home screen to read messages and reply to messages directly from their home screen.

I'm not gonna lie, I used to unlock and go to the home screen but after I switched up and started doing more things right on the lock screen. It has become more convenient for me, not to go directly to the home screen. Besides if I need to on the new phone, it's only a second slower by swiping up.
 
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Even if whohasaquestion understood Apple's long term strategy and goals it wouldn't answer the question of why Face ID is superior to Touch ID. He's asking what technically makes one ID method better than the other, not Apple's future plans

It's not a matter of which one is superior. It's is which one furthers Apple's goals.

They both have strengths and weaknesses. For me, TouchID fails roughly 2 out of 10 first-press attempts. If my hands are damp it fails 9 out 10 first-press attempts. Wearing gloves, which I often do, it fails 10 out of 10 attempts. Hardly perfect.

I suspect FaceID isn't perfect, either.
 
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iOS 11 even contains code for Face ID on iPod touch. Definitely sounds like they intend to put it on everything.
 
Not making light of your situation but you must realize there's a low hanging embassy in Cuba joke just begging to be told.:p:D
:D I know, right.

Fortunately my situation is easily remedied. It’s like that old joke about the guy who goes to the doctor complaining that it hurts when he bends his elbow and wants the doctor’s professional opinion. And the doc tells him “Well, don’t bend your elbow. That will be $30, please.”

I won’t use the scanner and my eyes won’t hurt.
 
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Not content to ruin only the MacPro and MacBook, Apple decides to junk-up the iPhone with notches and face scanning.
 
Try and understand what Apple's long term strategy and goal is about, the one they are heavily investing in, both in hardware and software.

And then ask yourself whether TouchID or FaceID furthers that goal.

Perhaps you have a crystal ball about Apple's long-term strategy. Do tell us what you see.

The question remains, from identification and ease of use perspective, why is FaceID better than TouchID?
 
Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

You joke, but in the unlikely event that Face ID doesn't catch on AND Samsung can pull off under the screen FPS, it could be a massive turning point.

Face-ID is obnoxious and always gets in your face. Touch-ID never got in the way of using the iPhone and is very passive.

It never fails that MR readers will be incredibly dramatic when it comes to change... I don't understand these definitive declarations before the phone has even launched and before we've had a chance to see it in use. And I am a bit suspicious of the idea of people changing away from iOS simply because of Face ID.
 
I’ll be very, very interested to see if Face ID is truely better than Touch ID because this sure feels like Apple doubling down on Face ID due to it’s inability to get Touch ID working on an edge to edge display (minus the notch).

I just can’t buy into Face ID being better than Touch ID but if it is I’ll be the first to give Apple credit.

I’m just curious how they can make it work as well as Touch ID. Sometimes I don’t want to fully unlock the phone so I hit the side button to see notifications but I do that instead of pressing the home button deliberately to see notifications without unlocking the device. I’ve got my iPhone configured so pressing the Home button invokes Touch ID and unlocks the device and pressing the side button just shows the Notification screen and I like that behavior.

If a variant of this isn’t available with Face ID I don’t think I’ll find it better than Touch ID. Time will tell I guess but it sure feels like Face ID is being touted by Apple as a great new feature when in fact it’s an inferior version of Touch ID being sold to customers as a breakthrough.
 
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Perhaps you have a crystal ball about Apple's long-term strategy. Do tell us what you see.

The question remains, from identification and ease of use perspective, why is FaceID better than TouchID?

My crystal ball? Why the snark?

To answer your question, please see post #181, above.
 
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Ming Chi Kuo seems to be flip flopping, I thought in an earlier prediction TouchID might be considered by Apple to keep into future models depending on how FaceID is?
 
Two ways I think FaceID can be better than TouchID.
1. Of course, unlock when your finger is wet.
2. While driving with my phone in car holder, I can call Siri with commands that only work with the phone unlocked (check reminder, email, search web, etc). Before, I had to carefully put my finger to the TouchID. Now, I can just keep driving and just glance over to the phone for it to unlock.

I don't get this thing about wet fingers. I just unlocked my phone with my wet fingers. Isn't the iPhone water resistant?

There are also many situations where faceid just cannot work. What if I have allergies and my face is swollen? What if I'm wearing a heavy hat, or a balaklava, or a burqa?

On the common everyday case faceid gives nothing to the user over touchid. There is nothing to look forward to other than some tech for techs sake. That didn't use to be Apple's way.
 
Seriously? That's horrifying. I'll be waiting to see if this is an issue with the X. No way I'm taking any risks with that. Sorry to hear that you've already experienced damage, but hopefully it can heal over time.
Thank you for your concern. I definitely don’t want to be alarmist but I am concerned my husband is also starting to show signs of developing the same sensitivity to his scanner. When we first started using them we didn’t feel anything.

There’s no evidence of damage that’s shown up on my annual ophthalmology exam. I don’t know if the doctor has to be asked to specifically look for damage from an IR scanner to find any. But certainly there was nothing seen on the standard exams they give, which is extremely thorough.

Which is why I am mystified as to why the pain effect seems cumulative. It should hurt the same each time the scanner is used and not get progressively worse.

When I first saw the demo for Face ID I was very excited about it. I do think if it proves to be safe to eyes that it will be a great convenience and people will like it. I just won’t experiment with it myself.
 
The question remains, from identification and ease of use perspective, why is FaceID better than TouchID?
this is going to sound cheesy but... it's the experience that's (likely) better..


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The only time I’ve spent playing with an iPhone X was about 10-15 minutes in the hands-on area after the event, and I did not get a chance to try Face ID. But I spent time — both officially, as a member of the media, and unofficially, as a friend — with several Apple employees who are already carrying an iPhone X as their daily-use phone, and from what I observed and from what they told me — and again, several of these employees are engineers, not PR or product marketing folks — it just works. You don’t have to think about it. According to them, you get used to not thinking about it very quickly, and when you go back to a Touch ID device, it feels broken that you have to touch the button to unlock the device.
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...but probably best if you try out faceID for yourself and answer your question that way.
 
Ok, basically what I see is people complaining about a technology that no one has even tried.

I see people saying how sometimes they like to unlock the phone with their finger even before looking at the screen. why? what is the use of unlocking the screen before even looking at your screen?

The screen unlocks instantly as soon as you look at it with Face ID. What more could you want? Also, living in a tropical country where everyone's palms are always sweaty (our knees aren't week though), i sometimes spend a good 5 seconds trying to unlock the phone with my wet thumb print.

ALSO, not sure if anyone faces this problem, but I have stored both my thumbs to unlock the phone and I realize that overtime the phone just takes longer and longer to unlock the phone. I believe that problem will be eliminated with Face ID.

All in all, can't wait for Face ID.
 
I would be excited to see a new iPhone SE with faceID technology. How small can they make a smartphone? The iPhone 9 series will almost definitely still be LCD but have much smaller top and bottom bezels (than 6/7/8) due to FaceID, and no notch for those that are freaking out about it on the X. It's a good strategy!
 
I’ll be very, very interested to see if Face ID is truely better than Touch ID because this sure feels like Apple doubling down on Face ID due to it’s inability to get Touch ID working on an edge to edge display (minus the notch).

I just can’t buy into Face ID being better than Touch ID but if it is I’ll be the first to give Apple credit.

I’m just curious how they can make it work as well as Touch ID. Sometimes I don’t want to fully unlock the phone so I hit the side button to see notifications but I do that instead of pressing the home button deliberately to see notifications without unlocking the device. I’ve got my iPhone configured so pressing the Home button invokes Touch ID and unlocks the device and pressing the side buttons just shows the Notification screen and I like that behavior.

If a variant of this isn’t available with Face ID I don’t think I’ll find it better than Touch ID. Time will tell I guess but it sure feels like Face ID is being touted by Apple as a great new feature when in fact it’s an inferior version of Touch ID being sold to customers as a breakthrough.
With FaceID checking your notifications is faster. FaceID doesn't auto log you into your home screen, it takes you to the lock screen but the lock screen is already unlocked for you. It makes it much faster and easier to use Notification Previews.
 
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I’ll be very, very interested to see if Face ID is truely better than Touch ID because this sure feels like Apple doubling down on Face ID due to it’s inability to get Touch ID working on an edge to edge display (minus the notch).

I just can’t buy into Face ID being better than Touch ID but if it is I’ll be the first to give Apple credit.

I’m just curious how they can make it work as well as Touch ID. Sometimes I don’t want to fully unlock the phone so I hit the side button to see notifications but I do that instead of pressing the home button deliberately to see notifications without unlocking the device. I’ve got my iPhone configured so pressing the Home button invokes Touch ID and unlocks the device and pressing the side buttons just shows the Notification screen and I like that behavior.

If a variant of this isn’t available with Face ID I don’t think I’ll find it better than Touch ID. Time will tell I guess but it sure feels like Face ID is being touted by Apple as a great new feature when in fact it’s an inferior version of Touch ID being sold to customers as a breakthrough.

Do you have one of the newer iPhones with the raise to wake feature? That stops you from needed to hit the side button to wake the phone and see notifications. Also the X will have tap to wake which will let you see notifications without unlocking.
 
It never fails that MR readers will be incredibly dramatic when it comes to change... I don't understand these definitive declarations before the phone has even launched and before we've had a chance to see it in use. And I am a bit suspicious of the idea of people changing away from iOS simply because of Face ID.

Agreed. All these “NEVER buying an iPhone again!! Sticking with my 7!!!” posts are a tad on the overly dramatic side and are ridiculous to me. You just know that those same people will be using it in 2 to 5 years which we all will be at that point anyway. Ridiculing a technology and thinking that the older way is better is silly when you haven’t even used the newer way yourself yet. I’ve seen it in use on the many hands on videos after the Apple event and it worked flawlessly every time from what I saw.
 
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