Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

[JosephAW]

Truth be know Apple's discontinuation Touch ID and rolling out Face ID is an attempt to make the iPhone secure again. They know behind the scenes that Touch ID has been compromised by certain governments and it's their way sticking it too them by rolling out an even more secure locking mechanism for their customers. After that is compromised they will do it again by rolling out DNA ID locking mechanism thwarting them when face id is cracked.

 

[Oridus]

It never fails that MR readers will be incredibly dramatic when it comes to change... I don't understand these definitive declarations before the phone has even launched and before we've had a chance to see it in use. And I am a bit suspicious of the idea of people changing away from iOS simply because of Face ID.

At this point in time, I've come to expect it. That's why I don't get engage in these posts very often. I just lurk.

A lot of these posters have legitimate concerns, but the claims of how Apple is all of a sudden going to tank from changes (Headphone jack, FPS etc) are unfounded and generally seem to be forgotten a year removed from the change. Headphone jack removal had a huge uproar, guess what... It's still only stopped about 5 total customers in the last year stop them from buying a 7, and go with a 6S instead. It just doesn't happen. Change is meant to be overcome.

 

[scrapesleon]

yeah yeah just make sure its not a 1000us cause I wont invest in no phone

 

[ke-iron]

Some of these things needed to evolve and change, or needed to be removed to make way for the future, yes. However, in the past Apple was more methodical about their process, and were not as extreme as they are now.

In the last year or so they have done away with:

• Headphone jack
• Function row keys
• Card reader
• USB-A ports / HDMI
• MagSafe
• Touch ID

And I would argue that their solutions/replacements do not provide any functional benefits to most users, in fact have led to large inconveniences to most users.
Haven't heard anyone say "Yay I love having to use an adapter to listen to music and large my iPhone" or "yay now when someone trips over my laptop it will go flying across the room..."

You do realize that the majority of people can use these devices with minimal or no adjustment to their existing life or workflow right?

I will use myself as an example.

• I needed new headphones so instead of buying another wired pair from B&W I went wireless with the AirPods, no regrets, they sound amazing.
• I needed a new computer for school, got the new 2017 13 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. To get the function row keys, you can press function button on the keyboard, or customize the OLED strip to show the function keys.
• I haven't used the card reader in my old Mac much, so I won't on this one either. However I did buy a USB-C hub and kept it just I need to connect something other than my iPod classic to sync music in the future. My car is old, has an iPod connection.
• USB ports or any ports for that matter, I just don't use them. I do everything wireless, my pictures from my phone syncs over iCloud, I use Apple Music etc. Oh I do love that I can charge my computer through any of the 4 USB-C ports. That I find amazing.
• MagSafe I do miss it, but I have never even come close to tripping on my Mac power cable, and I don't think the number of people who tripped and send their computer flying was that high either.
• Touch ID is not going anywhere anytime soon, it still has it's uses, especially on the Mac. The whole point about Face ID is that it's more secure than Touch ID. It makes sense to develop the camera system and facial recognition since it has a longer and brighter future than Touch ID. Most locking and unlocking is done on the devices we carry with us every day, like our phones. Apple need to make sure no one can get into out phones.

Apple is making the right move here. In a couple years you would be glad they did these changes.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Even if whohasaquestion understood Apple's long term strategy and goals it wouldn't answer the question of why Face ID is superior to Touch ID. He's asking what technically makes one ID method better than the other, not Apple's future plans

I think Citysnaps is referring to AR applications and other crossover benefits. For instance, the same tech that enables FaceID (front facing 3D depth imaging components, 600 billion ops/sec machine learning processor) allow things like artificial depth of field selfies, on-device machine learning (Siri improvements, for instance), animojis, elimination of the bottom bezel.

AR possibilities are only now developing but realtime in-game user-mapped avatars are fun (mostly for the younger folk, like Snapchat selfie filters/masks lol), AR makeup, hair styling and clothing, eyeglass frame selection, lots of different applications are coming.

 

[coolfactor]

This prediction is coming from an analyst, not Apple. Enough said.

 

[kildraik]

Even before it hits the market, I guess everybody liked that report on a 2.5 year head start. Love it. Other brands are crapping themselves. I’m ready for the next big thing.

Some of us end users may talk a lot of crap about analysts, “reports,” and rumours, but over the past 11 years I’ve been a member here, a lot has surprisingly held its weight.

Cheers.

 

[69Mustang]

It's not a matter of which one is superior. It's is which one furthers Apple's goals.

See now I am thoroughly confused. How can it not be about which one is superior when his exact question was:
"Why is FaceID superior?" No one asked anything about Apple's goals or furthering them. Did you just use his quote as a jumping off point?

 

[flat five]

I think Citysnaps is referring to AR applications and other crossover benefits. For instance, the same tech that enables FaceID (front facing 3D depth imaging components, 600 billion ops/sec machine learning processor) allow things like artificial depth of field selfies, on-device machine learning (Siri improvements, for instance), animojis, elimination of the bottom bezel.

don't forget about the car

faceID is a baby brother to that thing.


..with 'baby brother' probably being the wrong analogy .. something like that though ; )

 

[bopajuice]

If I am forced to use facial recognition in order to use Apple products I will look elsewhere. I don’t like it, don’t support it, and won’t use it.

Now get off my lawn!

 

[Danbrown521]

I'm all for new tech, and for companies to push it to their devices. My biggest issue is if your going to say its the next big thing, be able to produce it. Nearly everyday there are reports of component bottlenecking and issues with manufacturing. supposedly around 10-12 million iPhone Xs available at launch and a estimated 40-50 millions orders. Thats a joke. Just hope they will have all the components and the kinks worked out for 2018.

 

[69Mustang]

I think Citysnaps is referring to AR applications and other crossover benefits. For instance, the same tech that enables FaceID (front facing 3D depth imaging components, 600 billion ops/sec machine learning processor) allow things like artificial depth of field selfies, on-device machine learning (Siri improvements, for instance), animojis, elimination of the bottom bezel.

AR possibilities are only now developing but realtime in-game user-mapped avatars are fun (mostly for the younger folk, like Snapchat selfie filters/masks lol), AR makeup, hair styling and clothing, eyeglass frame selection, lots of different applications are coming.

No, Snaps explained what he meant. I understood what he meant. What he meant had nothing to do with the question that was asked.

 

[somethingelsefl]

That's what they said about TouchID

It's sort of ironic...Apple should innovate! But wait! Apple innovated and now I want Apple to stay the same!

 

[n3sh]

None of them will include fast charger

 

[gadget123]

Couple thoughts:

1) Apple must be very confident in this feature. This could be very damaging if this doesn't catch on.

2) Apple has done this in the past. Removed the floppy disk, removed the CD drive, removed the 3.5mm jack, etc. Some of those have seen history prove Apple was right. Some Apple is still trying to prove was the right move. Touch ID will definitely be added to that list, time will tell which way it is viewed.

I don’t even use Touch ID.

I still unlock with the passcode I’m sure millions of others to too. Removing the 3.5 headjack hasn’t been a step forward so far.

 

[bopajuice]

Touch ID was one of your favorite features

Why?

 

[john123]

GOOD. Face ID is the future. I don't expect to see iPhones with 3.5 inch floppy drives either.

...you say about a technology you have never used. Good grief.

 

[doelcm82]

Glad to know Touch ID is already obsolete on my MacBook Pro. That lasted about a year. lol

I've only had my MBP with Touch ID for a few months. I think it's really convenient, but when I'm wearing my Gen 0 Apple Watch, my MBP unlocks without me even needing to reach for the Touch ID. And my iMac unlocks without me needing to enter my password.

I can see FaceID being very useful with Macs. It's as seamless as logging in automatically with an Apple Watch (without the gimmick of needing the Watch). It doesn't require you reach for the Touch ID sensor on the keyboard. It can work with iMacs.

Yeah, I know that reaching for the Touch ID sensor isn't that hard (for those too lazy to type in passwords). But it is incrementally better to have my computer see who I am and respond accordingly. And while I never used punch cards, I have loaded computer programs from a cassette tape and used a 300 baud modem. I think I've paid my dues.

 

[citysnaps]

See now I am thoroughly confused. How can it not be about which one is superior when his exact question was:
"Why is FaceID superior?" No one asked anything about Apple's goals or furthering them. Did you just use his quote as a jumping off point?

A shame you didn't post the rest of my quote where I said, from my experience, TouchID is not perfect. And I suspect FaceID isn't either.

Maybe someone here who has actually extensively used FaceID can weigh in. Until then, I don't think the question can be answered, even though Apple is touting better numbers for FaceID.

I suspect both will work fine, on the average, for most people. Given that, and Apple's AR strategy, it's clear why Apple is moving to FaceID. TouchID would not help at all.

 

[danny842003]

There is just nothing wrong with TouchID.

Why is FaceID superior? I still don't get it.

Why is touch ID superior to face ID?

 

[Cycling Asia]

Here's something... Face ID needs to be trained, how about holding your thumb in front of the camera when training it. Could touch free fingerprint scanning be a thing?

Dibs on the royalty payments.

 

[doelcm82]

don't forget about the car

faceID is a baby brother to that thing.


..with 'baby brother' probably being the wrong analogy .. something like that though ; )

I hope the Apple Car (or the cars that license Apple technology) will use Face ID technology to recognize authorized drivers. With some kind of NFC key card (like the Tesla Model 3) to use as backup or as a valet key.

 

[Ntombi]

I don’t know. I still want to be able to unlock my screen outside with FaceID while wearing dark sunglasses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You’re likely joking, but you can, unless your sunglasses are among the small number that blocks IR light waves.

I don’t understand how you could confuse this tbh. Instead of pulling my phone out of my pocket ready to go, I now how to wake the screen up, look at it, let it register, then swipe up to get to my home screen...

Raise to wake is still a thing, so bringing it out of your pocket will wake it up. All you’ll have to do is bring it out of your pocket and swipe up as you’re looking at it.

I’m just curious how they can make it work as well as Touch ID. Sometimes I don’t want to fully unlock the phone so I hit the side button to see notifications but I do that instead of pressing the home button deliberately to see notifications without unlocking the device. I’ve got my iPhone configured so pressing the Home button invokes Touch ID and unlocks the device and pressing the side buttons just shows the Notification screen and I like that behavior.

If a variant of this isn’t available with Face ID I don’t think I’ll find it better than Touch ID. Time will tell I guess but it sure feels like Face ID is being touted by Apple as a great new feature when in fact it’s an inferior version of Touch ID being sold to customers as a breakthrough.

That’s exactly why they added the swipe up to unlock. They recognize that a lot of people want to see the lock screen, so raise to wake or tap to wake, then look at the screen. Bob’s your uncle.

 

[vertsix]

if (and only if) faceid is as fast and as reliable as touchid second gen, i'll be fine with this

 

[Cycling Asia]

This is an unusually balanced and sensible post on this issue! So often it is either - Apple is getting everything wrong or Apple has done everything right always.

It still isn't clear how removing the headphone jack will be viewed. Removing it doesn't actually help anything, phones can be waterproof even with it. I really don't know whether in a decade everyone will have bluetooth headphones, will be interesting to see. They were right on the floppy drive. They went to drop optical drives a bit quicker than many wanted but it was right in the end although in general they have been wrong in assuming all professionals would be happy with fewer ports and expandability and just be happy to use consumer devices - apparently they are now reversing course on the Mac Pro, we shall see.

Your first point is spot on - Apple must be confident. And it's worth remembering that touch ID was improved quite quickly with an updated version. Apple may well already have Face ID mark II coming through the pipeline and be getting good results. I also think they will see this as something that will integrate with the home kit type devices and ultimately be used more by business, security firms and medical companies for ease of use and also to avoid touching things. If your ID can be confirmed through a glass screen etc, or as you walk up to the car, or as you enter the room, well it's easy to see that this is a technology that might help Apple continue to integrate iOS tech with other devices. If it is as accurate as Apple says then it's not hard to imagine sooner or later it will be used to solve crimes too. I say all this as someone who likes Touch ID but in the long run think there will be benefits to not having to touch a screen and apple tends to be good at refining things.

I think the fundamental difference in removing the floppy and optical drives on their computers and the headphone jack on their phones is that the functionality could still be obtained with an adaptor. On my 2017 MBP, I can still use DVDs simply by connecting to a USB port. On my phone I can still use wired headphones using a lightning to 3.5mm adaptor.

So, of all the tech that Apple removed previously, they still enabled people to utilise the tech (albeit with adaptors).