Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

[flat five]

I hope the Apple Car (or the cars that license Apple technology) will use Face ID technology to recognize authorized drivers. With some kind of NFC key card (like the Tesla Model 3) to use as backup or as a valet key.

yeah, i think that, or similar, will definitely happen.

what i meant by Apple's car though... something similar to faceID will be the car's eyes.. a combination of GPS type stuff and trueDepth type sensors/cameras.. and a smart processor...
will be used to drive/navigate the car.

 

[DoctorDoctor]

Hoping this isn’t true. Not a fan of face ID at all.

How can you say that when you haven't used it yet ? At least give it a chance. I remember people saying the same thing about Touch ID.

 

[Starfyre]

I think this helps people like me wait for the X.

 

[Gameboy70]

This makes no sense to me unless Apple is using this as the wink wink method to cave to government pressure for device access. What is someone going to do? Close their eyes with a squinted "no device access for you" when you have 3 cops or agents holding you down? Unless their is something up their seeve I'm just shocked by this...

Use the Emergency SOS feature. Hit the sleep button five times before your phone is requested, and the phone will only accept a passcode unlock. At least in the US, for now, you can't be legally required to enter your passcode.

Neither Touch ID nor Face ID can't stop police brutality, so if you're physically and illegally compelled to assist officers in unlocking your phone, you have more immediate problems.

 

[iZac]

It's not about FaceID or TouchID. That's mice nuts...

It's about developing technologies that further Apple's aggressive push into AR. TouchID does absolutely nothing towards helping with that goal.

FaceID, the front-facing depth-sensing 3D camera, and its incremental improvements and ultimate home on the back of the iPhone, does.

This guy gets it

 

[eric89074]

A 4.7” all screen iPhone would be perfect.

 

[Brandhouse]

"Apple plans to produce in 2018 are likely to abandon the Touch ID fingerprint sensor in favor of facial recognition, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note sent out this evening."

So much weight given to this bloke, why? You can pontificate and postulate all you like and it seems that the sheep will listen?

 

[MickPaddy]

"Apple plans to produce in 2018 are likely to abandon the Touch ID fingerprint sensor in favor of facial recognition, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note sent out this evening."

So much weight given to this bloke, why? You can pontificate and postulate all you like and it seems that the sheep will listen?

He's right more than he's wrong.

 

[FelixDerKater]

TouchID works. It's simple and intuitive.

 

[jealousguy86]

this is

 

[PickUrPoison]

He's right more than he's wrong.

Kuo is better when he sticks to his supply-chain lane.

For instance, I don’t know what he’s said about the possible appearance of a spring 2018 SE 2, but if there is one, I fully expect TouchID.

 

[MickPaddy]

Kuo is better when he sticks to his supply-chain lane.

For instance, I don’t know what he’s said about the possible appearance of a spring 2018 SE 2, but if there is one, I fully expect TouchID.

Much of his information comes from analyzing the supply chain. The SE will have Touch ID, however the SE is not considered part of the typical iPhone lineup.

 

[brock2621]

No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

“What do you mean you’re not making horse carriages anymore?! I never asked for these steam powered ‘cars!’ Don’t shoe-horn me into something I never asked for!”

 

[wikiverse]

You’re comment is misleading. Samsung does develop display technology used in iPhones, however Apple does not need Samsung to develop under display Touch ID. The point is they are not the only one who can make OLED displays for phones.

Samsung are currently the only ones that can manufacture OLED displays for iPhone in the quantities required by Apple. So yes, Apple would need to work with them if they wanted to produce under-display TouchID.

Samsung will not stop working on under-display sensors, fingerprint or otherwise simply because of Apple adopting FaceID, and Samsung will not hesitate to allow Apple to use the technology in the iPhone once it is developed.

 

[Westside guy]

I find it amusing that people reject Face ID before they’ve tried it first hand in day to day use.

I reject the current price tag that's attached to it.

 

[jingbugle]

TrueDepth camera has many more uses beyond Face ID. The tech itself is good. It will be good if apple can in future models add the Touch ID back under the screen (when it can successfully). It will enable something similar to multi-factor auth. Right now, it is hard for my iPhone to understand my intent, if I want to unlock or not. Anyone can put your phone in front of your face to get it unlocked.

 

[MH01]

What a rubbish rumour .

The 5S and 6 designs will continue with touchid .

 

[Jimrod]

No but it solves the problem for Apple where the courts/police can force iPhone owners to use their fingerprint to unlock their device.
Come on people, see this for what it really is - another attempt by Apple to preserve user security above All Things foreign and domestic...

Nope. They can just get you to look at your phone instead, did you even think before you started typing?

 

[MickPaddy]

What a rubbish rumour .

The 5S and 6 designs will continue with touchid .

He's obviously talking about newer models.

 

[aevan]

Hoping this isn’t true. Not a fan of face ID at all.

Oh? So you’ve tried it then.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Much of his information comes from analyzing the supply chain. The SE will have Touch ID, however the SE is not considered part of the typical iPhone lineup.

So Kuo specified new phones introduced during the April through September time period (the article over-generalized this to all phones introduced in 2018).

Like I said, I haven’t followed what Kuo says about a possible SE 2, so I don’t know if he’s saying a March SE 2 will definitely have TouchID, or an April SE 2 would have FaceID. Or if he’s even talked about an SE 2.

You say the SE will have TouchID, but it already does... I guess you’re saying you expect to see an SE 2, also with TouchID? If so, I agree.

I also think there’s a decent chance of an LCD 8S or 9 model that continues the TouchID form factor, depending on how fast they can bring down the cost of the X. Kuo says no though.

 

[CarlJ]

GOOD. Face ID is the future. I don't expect to see iPhones with 3.5 inch floppy drives either.

Oh geez, now I really want a phone with a 3.5" floppy drive.

 

[Jimrod]

you don't think Apple could put touchID under screen?

point being -- touchID button = touchID under display
(imo)

or- what, exactly, is there to gain from touchID under screen?

A full screen without buttons OR an enormous notch cut out of the screen.

The main reason for the notch seems to be cramming tons of cameras in for FaceID, if TouchID worked under the screen the notch could at least be diminished, it's poor design compared to the latest Samsung/LG phones, they managed greatly reduced bezels far more elegantly.

People keep saying "Apple have tested it and think it's far better", well they test lots, the antennas in the iPhone 4 were still a fail, FaceID still failed on its first public demonstration, so people are rightly skeptical not to just believe what they're told. Unless they're rabid fanboys who actually believe everything ever written in marketing.

 

[Gameboy70]

There is just nothing wrong with TouchID.

Why is FaceID superior? I still don't get it.

I think Apple cares less about Touch ID per se than the home button, which takes up space and—along with the vanquished headphone jack—was the point most vulnerable to mechanical failure. In Quora thread, Why do iPhone users in Asia have an on-screen "home" button?, one member explained their tendency eschew the home button by enabling AssistiveTouch:

This setting became popular with users who found that their home buttons got less responsive over time, usually due to bending of an internal component.

As for Touch ID itself, the iPhone was massively popular for six generations without it

 

[Jimrod]

I would argue that Face ID is more passive than Touch ID: Touch ID requires that you actively place a particular finger in a particular spot at a particular time. Face ID just needs you to be looking at your phone’s screen, which you’ll almost certainly be doing anyway.

If it works as many have said, it’ll unlock almost instantaneously, and you can swipe up before it’s done.

Nope, you still need to "place a particular finger in a particular spot at a particular time" because you need to swipe up (as you say) to unlock the phone. What you DO get is an added step of having to look at the phone as you do that.