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He's obviously talking about newer models. :rolleyes:

The the Xs or whatever it will be called .... Anything on the X design.

Do you think there will be "other" iPhones introduced other than the existing 5 and 6 designs and the X?
 
A full screen without buttons OR an enormous notch cut out of the screen.

The main reason for the notch seems to be cramming tons of cameras in for FaceID, if TouchID worked under the screen the notch could at least be diminished, it's poor design compared to the latest Samsung/LG phones, they managed greatly reduced bezels far more elegantly.

People keep saying "Apple have tested it and think it's far better", well they test lots, the antennas in the iPhone 4 were still a fail, FaceID still failed on its first public demonstration, so people are rightly skeptical not to just believe what they're told. Unless they're rabid fanboys who actually believe everything ever written in marketing.
FaceID did not fail. Samsung's phones have a much larger bezel. Touch ID is not coming back.
 
Oh? So you’ve tried it then.

You can go into a Samsung store and try it, the retina unlock will give you a very strong similar experience to be honest. I've used the S8, did not like haveing to look at the phone to unlock, it's not about how well it unlocks, it's the fundamental user experience that by the time I take my iPhone from my pocket it's unlocked with out having had to stare at it, let alone having to swipe up.

I think everyone needs to try it, and guarantee there will be many shocked people on both sides of the camp - I for one thought I'd really like unlocking by looking (ignoring the hardware) - sold the S8 and went back to iPhone 7 just on the touchid
 
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Never bought into the whole idea of faced id as a single unlocking mechanism. What happens if you're in a meeting and need to respond quickly to a text/email without raising your phone above the table level to look at it for unlock?
 
This is not good news. :(

Neither is a bad news. I know it is hard to resist making a judgment for something you have never try (typical for people in this forum) but it is less then a month away to find out how good this Face ID thing is. Something tells me that lots of comments here are gonna turn into epic laugh on the future (like lot of Touch ID early comments)
 
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FaceID did not fail. Samsung's phones have a much larger bezel. Touch ID is not coming back.

I said they managed it more elegantly, they did, the notch looks crap, they also have wider screens which give more overall usable screen area (notch free).

FaceID DID fail, Craig tried to use it, it didn't work, in front of millions of viewers - that's a fail. Spin it however you like, Apple can spin it however they like, it failed. We don't even know if it was active on his "back up" phone either.
 
The the Xs or whatever it will be called .... Anything on the X design.

Do you think there will be "other" iPhones introduced other than the existing 5 and 6 designs and the X?
There's a rumor, confirmed by the Wall St. Journal, that they're going to have 3 phones next year. Two OLED models, one in 5.8" and one in 6.46". Essentially, the iPhone X and a Plus version of it. The 3rd phone is supposed to be a 5" LCD phone using a new type of LCD technology called Full Active LCD by Japan display. Supposedly Full Active LCD uses a tighter weave in the electronics of the LCD screen allowing for a closer to the bezel display than traditional LCD technology. That phone is supposed to be around $700 or so. I'm sure the SE model will still be retained with a minor upgrade, probably just to the processor.
 
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Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about.
Funny, I don't recall asking for fingerprint scanner back in the Nokia days....or for a smarphone back in the days... It is called progress, tech gets pushed and usually it is tech people did not even know they needed / wanted.

I cared about rotary phones, but I am glad they took it away, or I cared for the iPod, and now there's no need for a dedicated device....again it is called progress.

I am sure you'll be screaming "hey don't remove Face ID I deeply care about it" when the new unlocking mechanism will be rolled out.

Heck few years back people were like "i would never put a fingerprint on a phone" and now people moan because they are removing it :p.
 
It allows for a (nearly) edge-to-edge display without compromising security or convenience. That means the user gets a larger screen in a smaller package with no drawbacks.

Samsung's non-solution was to stick the fingerprint reader on the back *right by the lens*, truly one of the dumbest tech decisions I've seen in a while.

So they could have had the notch at the bottom and TouchID there, based on this plan and that wouldn’t have as dumb as what Samsung did?

What is laughable is they wanted an edge to edge display and still didn’t end up with one!
 
A full screen without buttons OR an enormous notch cut out of the screen.

The main reason for the notch seems to be cramming tons of cameras in for FaceID, if TouchID worked under the screen the notch could at least be diminished, it's poor design compared to the latest Samsung/LG phones, they managed greatly reduced bezels far more elegantly.

People keep saying "Apple have tested it and think it's far better", well they test lots, the antennas in the iPhone 4 were still a fail, FaceID still failed on its first public demonstration, so people are rightly skeptical not to just believe what they're told. Unless they're rabid fanboys who actually believe everything ever written in marketing.
so either A) Marketing is a lie

B) anybody who believes marketing believes all marketing.. plus they have rabies.


got it. thx
 
I said they managed it more elegantly, they did, the notch looks crap, they also have wider screens which give more overall usable screen area (notch free).

FaceID DID fail, Craig tried to use it, it didn't work, in front of millions of viewers - that's a fail. Spin it however you like, Apple can spin it however they like, it failed. We don't even know if it was active on his "back up" phone either.
I did not fail. You obviously don't know what the word "fail" means. It worked exactly as it was supposed to. It didn't allow him to login after there had been previous failed attempts. The phone was set for his face. Assistants were wiping the phones down all while the phones were attempting to log them in. After a few fails it defaults to the pin code. The notch only looks like crap in your opinion.
 
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There's a rumor, confirmed by the Wall St. Journal, that they're going to have 3 phones next year. Two OLED models, one in 5.8" and one in 6.46". Essentially, the iPhone X and a Plus version of it. The 3rd phone is supposed to be a 5" LCD phone using a new type of LCD technology called Full Active LCD by Japan display. Supposedly Full Active LCD uses a tighter weave in the electronics of the LCD screen allowing for a closer to the bezel display than traditional LCD technology. That phone is supposed to be around $700 or so. I'm sure the SE model will still be retained with a minor upgrade, probably just to the processor.

Cheers. Was not aware of this rumour. Let's see how it plays out .

I'm holding out for a 256 SE. If they release it, I'm downgrading to it
 
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No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

If they would stick around asking customers what to add and what to remove from a phone we would be still using the bricks of few decades ago. But luckily Apple does not do that and good for them. They all say same thing over and over every time new technology is introduced to them. And then they love it. I think customers are clueless when it comes to knowing what they want, until you show it to them.
 
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I did not fail. You obviously don't know what the word "fail" means. It worked exactly as it was supposed to. It didn't allow him to login after there had been previous failed attempts. The phone was set for his face. Assistants were wiping the phones down all while the phones were attempting to log them in. After a few fails it defaults to the pin code. The notch only looks like crap in your opinion.

The notch looks crap in MANY people's opinion - have a look at "the internet". It's a chunk out of a screen, it's not elegant.

Again, the reason for the fail is what Apple said it was, they wouldn't openly say if failed either (remember antenna bands and "holding it wrong"?) - but we only have their word for that. You'd think such a slick organisation would rehearse these things... They probably did right? But upon the first showing to the world Apple couldn't unlock their own phone with their great new tech - fail. Did Craig ever go back to that phone in the demo, use a passkey and then demonstrate it ACTUALLY working? Or just use his back-up phone?
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so either A) Marketing is a lie

B) anybody who believes marketing believes all marketing.. plus they have rabies.

got it. thx

C) No actual response to points so throw in some exaggerations to try and dismiss the actual points.
 
Nope, you still need to "place a particular finger in a particular spot at a particular time" because you need to swipe up to unlock the phone. What you DO get is an added step of having to look at the phone as you do that.
I believe the phone is unlocked, just not "opened". So if you tap on a notification you can get into the associated app without having to go through a screen like this:
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Because by looking at the notification, you probably looked at the phone, which unlocks it.
 
You can go into a Samsung store and try it, the retina unlock will give you a very strong similar experience to be honest. I've used the S8, did not like haveing to look at the phone to unlock, it's not about how well it unlocks, it's the fundamental user experience that by the time I take my iPhone from my pocket it's unlocked with out having had to stare at it, let alone having to swipe up.

I think everyone needs to try it, and guarantee there will be many shocked people on both sides of the camp - I for one thought I'd really like unlocking by looking (ignoring the hardware) - sold the S8 and went back to iPhone 7 just on the touchid
Sorry but it seems you didn't try it. For iris scanning you have to place your eyes at very close 15-30cm to the device , dead centre,faceid works even if you look at it from lets say 45 degrees angle. A very massive step forward from user experience
 
So Apple will add faceid to another 2 iphones next year. Edge to edge iphone SE and that 6.4" iphone
 
I think this helps people like me wait for the X.

In the least, for those who wait, at least gives the option next year of having more than just one model iPhone that will have Face ID. A 5.8 inch display sounds nice, but next year's rumor is for a 6.4 inch display, which is what I would rather prefer. This year will be a true test For the iPhone X how and widely iPhone users adopt and like Face ID.
 
Seems a lot pf faceid components needs for 2018,so i hope apple have those for all3 models+ipads
 
Couple thoughts:

1) Apple must be very confident in this feature. This could be very damaging if this doesn't catch on.

2) Apple has done this in the past. Removed the floppy disk, removed the CD drive, removed the 3.5mm jack, etc. Some of those have seen history prove Apple was right. Some Apple is still trying to prove was the right move. Touch ID will definitely be added to that list, time will tell which way it is viewed.

The CD/Floppy was half dead when they removed it. They were far from the number #1 way to to things like touch ID currently is. If faceid doesn't perform like they promise, there is going to be riot in the forums.
 
I'm done with Apple. I'm moving to Samsung. At least they have a headphone jack and fingerprint scanner

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Maybe in your eyes but many are not happy with Apple's direction. Apple's decisions are impacting how users want to use their phone. Many feel Apple is reducing functionality.
I won't say I will never buy Apple's flagship phone again but Apple's choices has stopped me from my l upgrade cycle. 5, 5s, 6s then when Apple removed the jack I stopped buying. I will ride the 6s as long as I can and when it can't function I will see if Apple is still selling a product I want to use.
Love the free market.
 
Looks like my iPhone 7 Plus will be the LAST iPhone I ever buy.

I find comments like this extraordinary funny and deja-vo type of comment. People get so freaking attached to certain technology to the point they refuse to believe anything more decent can ever be achieved!! Now how hilarious is that!!
 
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Of course. Apple has made it clear this is the way forward. Why would anyone doubt them?

They do make mistakes every now and then, like everyone else, no reason to repeat over and over examples of this. Why all this blind confidence for a company ?
 
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