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Kuo: Apple Betting 6.1" iPhone 12 Will Outsell 5.4" iPhone 12 Mini
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I can't decide whether the Pro is worth it to me at all - I'm used to going top-spec when I buy, but I find camera upgrades unappealing and I've only played with AR once or twice and nothing of consequence, so the whole LIDAR thing just doesn't generate any interest.
All i know is this $150 Moto E i've been using for the past week to hold me over from my iPhone X drowning in my pocket during a thunderstorm (yay quality control, that thing is supposed to be able to be dropped in water) is utter crap, and I can't wait to get back onto iOS as angry as I've been at Apple the past few years for App store policies and Mac keyboard failures.
All i know is this $150 Moto E i've been using for the past week to hold me over from my iPhone X drowning in my pocket during a thunderstorm (yay quality control, that thing is supposed to be able to be dropped in water) is utter crap, and I can't wait to get back onto iOS as angry as I've been at Apple the past few years for App store policies and Mac keyboard failures.
This is just a move by Apple to move up the ASP of the iPhone yet again.
Last year: iPhone 11 (greatest iPhone ever) 6.1" $699
This year: iPhone 12 mini 5.4" $699
iPhone 12 6.1" $799
Last year: iPhone 11 (greatest iPhone ever) 6.1" $699
This year: iPhone 12 mini 5.4" $699
iPhone 12 6.1" $799
because people will not wait until november?
If all 4 were to be released at the same time...for sure the top will be the mini and the max
If all 4 were to be released at the same time...for sure the top will be the mini and the max
I actually think the opposite. I think the 12 mini and the 12 Pro Max will be the two most popular models, where as the 12 and 12 pro Will be at number three and four respectively.
Now if we’re taking the lineup as a whole, I think it’s going to go like this.
1: iPhone 12 Mini
2: iPhone 12 Pro Max
3: iPhone 12
4: iPhone SE
5: iPhone 12 Pro
Personally, and this may just be my opinion, the 12 mini will sell the best because there’s an absolutely huge demand for small phones, and it’s the cheapest. people who currently have the iPhone 11, and are on yearly iPhone upgrade programs with installment plans, would like to stick with that $29 a month, which equals to 699/24 months. Going from the 11 to the 12 mini is the only way to keep that price point. If they go to the regular 12, while they would keep the screen size, they would also increase the price by $100.
Also, the 12 pro max will sell way better than the 12 pro, mainly because if you’re already going for a 12 pro, and the 12 Pro Max has a better camera than even the 12Pro, people would just rather get the phone with the best camera if they’re going to spend that much money.
Which leads me to a question, what exactly is the point of the regular 6.1 inch 12 pro? The max has a better camera, the regular 12 has better pricing, so this weird middle child device seems to just be stuck. It’s not the best, it’s not the worst, but yet it’s still extremely expensive for what it is.
To me, if I was Apple, I would have the lineup like this.
iPhone 12 Mini: $699, two cameras, all the color choices, 5.4 inch screen.
iPhone 12: $899, 6.1 inches, triple camera, 5G, stuff like that.
iPhone 12 pro: $1099, 6.7 inches, triple camera with LightR, 6 GB of RAM, and the best battery.
So there’s a mini, middle, and a pro.
The 12 and 12 pro wouldn’t be equivalent anymore.
You you have three choices, the mini would have a double camera, the 12 would have A triple camera, then the pro would have a triple camera with lightR.
It would simplify the lineup a lot, no need for 2 6.1 inch devices, just one 6.1 model.
Now if we’re taking the lineup as a whole, I think it’s going to go like this.
1: iPhone 12 Mini
2: iPhone 12 Pro Max
3: iPhone 12
4: iPhone SE
5: iPhone 12 Pro
Personally, and this may just be my opinion, the 12 mini will sell the best because there’s an absolutely huge demand for small phones, and it’s the cheapest. people who currently have the iPhone 11, and are on yearly iPhone upgrade programs with installment plans, would like to stick with that $29 a month, which equals to 699/24 months. Going from the 11 to the 12 mini is the only way to keep that price point. If they go to the regular 12, while they would keep the screen size, they would also increase the price by $100.
Also, the 12 pro max will sell way better than the 12 pro, mainly because if you’re already going for a 12 pro, and the 12 Pro Max has a better camera than even the 12Pro, people would just rather get the phone with the best camera if they’re going to spend that much money.
Which leads me to a question, what exactly is the point of the regular 6.1 inch 12 pro? The max has a better camera, the regular 12 has better pricing, so this weird middle child device seems to just be stuck. It’s not the best, it’s not the worst, but yet it’s still extremely expensive for what it is.
To me, if I was Apple, I would have the lineup like this.
iPhone 12 Mini: $699, two cameras, all the color choices, 5.4 inch screen.
iPhone 12: $899, 6.1 inches, triple camera, 5G, stuff like that.
iPhone 12 pro: $1099, 6.7 inches, triple camera with LightR, 6 GB of RAM, and the best battery.
So there’s a mini, middle, and a pro.
The 12 and 12 pro wouldn’t be equivalent anymore.
You you have three choices, the mini would have a double camera, the 12 would have A triple camera, then the pro would have a triple camera with lightR.
It would simplify the lineup a lot, no need for 2 6.1 inch devices, just one 6.1 model.
To the extent 5.4” is a small phone, sure. It’ll be smaller than my 6s, but heavier for sure. And mostly unusable one-handed, unfortunately—but so is my 6s 🤷♂️
video is nice on mini too, it’s more like Maps and stuff which might be problematic
I can't wait for the 5,4" ! ! Finally the perfect iPhone (besides the notch)
As an original SE Owner and User to this day, the 12 mini is the first iPhone I’ve even remotely considered purchasing in years
Particularly since it isn’t an older/traditional “small phone” and still has a pretty darn big screen actually
I've thought this every year for the last ? years and still get proved wrong every time.
(Apart from the Covid bit of course
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No market for 3.5”; little for 4.0; a pretty decent market for 4.7”—Apple forecasted 40 million units first year sales, pre-pandemic, for the SE 2020 and it may hit 50-60 million, who knows. It’s a good phone for a great price.
At 5.4, the 12 mini will be physically smaller than the iPhone 6/7/8/SE 2020, but a 5.4” screen isn’t usable one-handed.
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I wonder if people who have tried Pro features are getting somewhat tired of paying extra for them.
For instance I own an 11 Pro and honestly, while it is a great phone to me the biggest things are the battery life and(almost) full-screen display. The camera is good but not so good that I really care about it. The OLED screen is good but not so good that I really care about it. I feel like I paid extra for things I didn't really need, and I believe the phone is a little too big, so the 5.4 in. is perfect for me. I'll be giving this phone to another family member even though I enjoyed my time with it.
For instance I own an 11 Pro and honestly, while it is a great phone to me the biggest things are the battery life and(almost) full-screen display. The camera is good but not so good that I really care about it. The OLED screen is good but not so good that I really care about it. I feel like I paid extra for things I didn't really need, and I believe the phone is a little too big, so the 5.4 in. is perfect for me. I'll be giving this phone to another family member even though I enjoyed my time with it.
For European people:
- 5.4 64GB - €809
- 6.1 64GB - €919
- 6.1 Pro 128GB - €1159
- 6.7 Pro 128GB - €1259
My advise: Buy another alternative which are significantly cheaper and offer 5G and 120hz.
- 5.4 64GB - €809
- 6.1 64GB - €919
- 6.1 Pro 128GB - €1159
- 6.7 Pro 128GB - €1259
My advise: Buy another alternative which are significantly cheaper and offer 5G and 120hz.
It was never about screen size.....it was about the overall size of the phone. Everyone on the planet wants the biggest screen possible in the size of iPhone that they find comfortable to hold and use.
I predict that in 2021 there will be an ample supply of refurbished 2020 iPhones, as I believe that many more people will return them to get a different size.
That's interesting. Would've thought the 12 Mini would take the top spot since it's also the lowest price. Kuo is usually spot on though. I suppose we will see.
Well this year is turning out to be expensive.
I currently have an iPhone 11, an Apple TV from 2015, and an Apple Watch series 5.
Back in June, I bought a 12.9 inch 256 GB 2020 iPad Pro with magic keyboard, and I absolutely love it.
Because I got the biggest iPad Pro, I’m thinking about getting the smallest iPhone. I don’t think I really need two big screen devices. The only thing that worries me is, I currently use my iPhone 11 with a smart battery case, and I know that Apple will not have a smart battery case for the 12 Mini available right off the gate, so I know that for the first couple months of usage, I’m gonna notice a huge battery hit. also, if these rumors that are floating around about the 12 mini having a watered down B14 processor instead of the full A14 turn out to be true, I’m going to be so upset that I might end up just sticking with my 11 for the foreseeable future, even though I do want a much smaller phone.
I also plan to buy One of those rumored MagSafe duo wireless chargers That are rumored to be introduced tomorrow, along with 2 HomePod Minis for my bedroom, and a couple AirTags whenever they are finally released.
Also, not exactly something important, but I eventually plan to upgrade my Apple TV when Apple finally gets around to completely replacing the terrible terrible remote.
I currently have an iPhone 11, an Apple TV from 2015, and an Apple Watch series 5.
Back in June, I bought a 12.9 inch 256 GB 2020 iPad Pro with magic keyboard, and I absolutely love it.
Because I got the biggest iPad Pro, I’m thinking about getting the smallest iPhone. I don’t think I really need two big screen devices. The only thing that worries me is, I currently use my iPhone 11 with a smart battery case, and I know that Apple will not have a smart battery case for the 12 Mini available right off the gate, so I know that for the first couple months of usage, I’m gonna notice a huge battery hit. also, if these rumors that are floating around about the 12 mini having a watered down B14 processor instead of the full A14 turn out to be true, I’m going to be so upset that I might end up just sticking with my 11 for the foreseeable future, even though I do want a much smaller phone.
I also plan to buy One of those rumored MagSafe duo wireless chargers That are rumored to be introduced tomorrow, along with 2 HomePod Minis for my bedroom, and a couple AirTags whenever they are finally released.
Also, not exactly something important, but I eventually plan to upgrade my Apple TV when Apple finally gets around to completely replacing the terrible terrible remote.