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Kuo: Apple Betting 6.1" iPhone 12 Will Outsell 5.4" iPhone 12 Mini

Gah. Totally on the fence about the 12 Pro. My X runs fine, but there are artifacts which slightly obscure every single photo I take - very subtle. You notice them when scrolling through images. Same spots every shot. Fix $$ or new iPhone $$$.
 
PickUrPoison said:
For me and many others who prefer smaller phones, it was always about screen size. My 5s was usable one handed, and my 6s isn’t. Both fit in my front pocket just fine. So will the 12 mini, but it’ll be quite a bit heavier.

There’s a reason Jobs thought 3.5” was the perfect screen size.
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It probably was the perfect size in 2005 when it was being developed......for a cell phone:

https://www.history.com/news/iphone-original-size-invention-steve-jobs

On top of that, he both approved a 4” screen and famously stated no one would want a larger screen, so he was clearly wrong at least twice. 😄

As an OG SE user since 2016, I also prefer smaller phones. I went BACK to an SE because my 6 was too big. I think the winner would have been a 4.7 display in a 5-sized body.....only the top row would have been harder to reach one-handed, IMHO, but with iOS 14 that could have been your large widgets.
 
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In other news... water is wet? They’re releasing a mainstream model, a tiny model, a spendy model, and a spendy big model. Of course they expect the mainstream model to sell the most. Otherwise it wouldn’t be the mainstream model.
 
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GeoStructural said:
Not necessarily "watered-down" since it is going to be an improvement over its equivalent 11 Pro, but they are definitely coming back to having different specs on the "Max" models, arguably due to the larger size... But I feel you, I wish they would give all the iPhones the same specifications across the lineup and the only difference being the screen size.
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I expect the reason for having more complicated cameras in the Max models isn’t to get people to buy the Max model, it’s simply because there’s more space (and more battery).
 
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My 3 year old 256GB iPhone 8 is still going strong I have no reason to swap it, battery is still good and iOS 14 made it feel even faster. But its too big, and I have big hands! I will at some point get that iPhone 12 Mini. My mother won't change her original iPhone SE to the new iPhone SE because the new SE is too big. My Aunt who has the old iPhone SE does not want any newer iPhones because they are all too big. I think the iPhone 12 mini will sell well.
 
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Most popular is still iPhone6 and 6Plus. 220+ million sold. iPhone 11 just 70+ million. Took only 3 month for iPhone6 to get there
 
Smaller phones ftw!
hopefully they see the trend and make them just as powerful as bigger ones (at least closer)
 
Hate to admit, but honestly with the battery specs leaking, I'm considering switching to a Pixel. My X battery is atrocious and these leaked specs don't make me feel any better about the 12's. Anyone else in the same boat?
 
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dcpmark said:
yeah, it would destroy the opinion that price was the only reason people bought the OG SE, not the size. Can’t tell you how many times I read here that there was no market for smaller phones anymore.
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..it's because it's the truth. The same handful people flocking to any article about phone size to fawn over small phones is not translating to a real world market for small phones.

There is however, indisputably and irrefutably, a large market for "the cheapest possible new phone". However, this price point is important because over a certain price point, it no longer matters as much that it is the cheapest, it also matters how it compares value-wise to the next $100 interval.

And lastly, at some point you have to accept that a small form factor heavily limits the equipment in terms of what new innovations can be brought to it, so a small phone is destined to stagnate or get bigger.

This idea that "I want smallest to also be best" is a complete logical fallacy that shouldn't even be debated with those who clamor for it. It makes no sense and is physically impossible. Whatever can be done with a small phone can always be done better, or greater, or more, or longer, et. al. with something physically larger, both from an engineering standpoint and even from a user standpoint to some extent.
 
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dcpmark said:
It probably was the perfect size in 2005 when it was being developed......for a cell phone:

https://www.history.com/news/iphone-original-size-invention-steve-jobs

On top of that, he both approved a 4” screen and famously stated no one would want a larger screen, so he was clearly wrong at least twice. 😄

As an OG SE user since 2016, I also prefer smaller phones. I went BACK to an SE because my 6 was too big. I think the winner would have been a 4.7 display in a 5-sized body.....only the top row would have been harder to reach one-handed, IMHO, but with iOS 14 that could have been your large widgets.
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Yeah, I do remember Apple had a commercial trying to sell us on a 4.0” screen being perfect for thumb reach. Trying to deprogram us from the perfect 3.5”.
 
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CarlJ said:
In other news... water is wet? They’re releasing a mainstream model, a tiny model, a spendy model, and a spendy big model. Of course they expect the mainstream model to sell the most. Otherwise it wouldn’t be the mainstream model.
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I actually think the mini model could be a huge seller. People have been clamoring for this for a long time. This will be the first small in size, edge to edge screen iPhone. People are sick of the phone being a distraction and think a smaller phone will make them use it less.

I'm personally on the fence on 5.4" vs 6.1". Will need to see all the differences and the price gap to make a decision. I'm on an iPhone X and ready to upgrade.
 
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jclardy said:
Seems probable - I think the "iPhone 12" base model being the exact same size as the 12 Pro will cut into the 12 Pro sales. The Max will be unaffected since the people buying it just want the biggest phone.

I think it'll shake out like this sales wise:
1. iPhone 12
2. iPhone 12 Mini
3. iPhone 12 Pro Max
4. iPhone 12 Pro
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Exactly. Why I have a Porsche when you can have a Kia? Sarcasm.
 
sub150 said:
I actually think the mini model could be a huge seller. People have been clamoring for this for a long time. This will be the first small in size, edge to edge screen iPhone. People are sick of the phone being a distraction and think a smaller phone will make them use it less.

I'm personally on the fence on 5.4" vs 6.1". Will need to see all the differences and the price gap to make a decision. I'm on an iPhone X and ready to upgrade.
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I agree the 5.4” will be big (so to speak), but I don’t expect that it’ll be bigger than the mainstream model. I agree that there’s a market segment that fervently want a smaller phone, but the ones who want it fervently are still only going to buy one, they’re not all going buy ten of them each.
 
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I think there is a reason why Apple made the latest SE in a 8 body.

Many people (me coming from 4s) are really looking for a smaller iPhone and Apple is trying to cater mini to us.

Also I feel latest SE is also targeted towards enterprise use with a cheaper option.
 
Most of us are not “influencers” or people that care about the difference between a very good camera and a very very good camera. The cheaper 6.1” is obviously the sweet point of the four new iPhones.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
Does anyone else anticipate this generation will dramatically underperform the expectations of Apple and analysts?

It’s been over 6 years since I last heard anyone complain about the speed of their phone. Having your big selling point be that it’s faster isn’t going to lead to anymore of an uptick in sales than happened last year, and it’ll probably be less, what with people being reluctant to spend money and not really needing to in light of coronavirus this year.
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Exactly my thoughts. I asked a few non tech savvy people and they didn't even know what 5G is. When I explained it to them they couldn't care less.
 
I think this year I won't get the pro, I'm looking for the midnight green colour or failing that a red colour. It seems that the iPhone 12 (Std) will offer the red at least with no option for the midnight green.
 
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