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Really, who cares what Kuo or the other ‘leakers’ say? It is so much hot air until Apple officially announce the products.
Bodhitree you seem to care because you're commenting on a site called macrumors.com - the leakers feed most of the current news/rumors this site posts.

I can never fathom why posters type "who cares...." they're making the effort to visit this site to engage in the forum with others. They clearly care even if they disagree.
 
Where’s even one peer-reviewed clinical study published in a reputable medical journal that says that?

I was thinking the same thing, their must be a few million OLEDS out there now, and that's just phones. My OLED TV works fine as do any OLED phones I've used, I've used OLED iPhones and they are also fine? I know the screen flickering affects 'some' people but not certainly not 'everyone' as you say.
 
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Getting harder and harder for me to be motivated to upgrade ANYTHING Apple this year.

Would have upgraded one of my iPads to something OLED, now.....meh.

I went into the summer expecting to upgrade my 11PM, Mini 5, and even my AW6. Same for my GF with her XS max and AW3, now......we "might" get the 13PM around the holidays, if at all.

News like this doesn't help to motivate me.

From "I have to have the latest and greatest" to "what I have works so well I'll just.....not" in 2 short years.
That depends on whether what you want is actually an enjoyable iPad experience or a “I have the latest and greatest… over there on that table for you to envy but I never actually use it.” OLED isn’t a great tech for an iPad screen. The burn-in would have been a very serious problem, while adding significantly to the cost. There’s lots of ways for Apple to improve the iPad, but that’s not the best.
 
Maturity creeps up on you.

Yeap, I want a new Mac to replace my now 11 year old MacBook Pro, I may save and buy a Mac Pro for the simple fact it'll still run Windows fine and should last another 11 years plus. As you get older you lose interest in the latest tech. You look more for things that will last and serve your needs as opposed to how shiny they are.
 
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Of course, but he clearly said those are coming mid- or late-2022.

Your post makes no sense about people selling their Macs this year.
He said it during the iOS 15 event, leading people to assume there also be a MacBook Air announcement. And people posted on Twitter upset. MacRumors themselves posted on him saying so.
 
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Don’t worry everybody, an iPad Air OLED will be released, right alongside the flat body Apple Watch.
To be clear: AFAIK Kuo never claimed the Watch Series 7 would have a flat body (despite MacRumors' reporting). He claimed Watch Series 7 would get a form factor change, and it did. Other people (whom I tend to discount) claimed the stuff about the flat body.
 
Anyone selling their products based on rumors (no matter from who) is 100% fault of their own.

Seriously how many rumor cycles do we have to go through for people to realize it's only true once APPLE announces something.
I agree, but my original post was Apple cracking down on rumors more so for their image, and to prevent people from holding off on buying products based on rumors. When several “accurate” analyst say the same thing, and lots of posts and rumors saying it’s almost a certainty, people feel confident to sell their devices.
 
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Some people are more sensitive some are not but it is making you more tired.
It doesn't make me more tired.

Do you need a study to know something is bad?
For sure, yes, I'd need a study to say that, but it probably wouldn't make a difference to me personally, I love OLED's. My best laptop has an OLED screen and it's downright gorgeous compared to any other LCD tech I've ever seen.
 
It doesn't make me more tired.


For sure, yes, I'd need a study to say that, but it probably wouldn't make a difference to me personally, I love OLED's. My best laptop has an OLED screen and it's downright gorgeous compared to any other LCD tech I've ever seen.
Just because you don’t experience his issue doesn’t make it untrue. Some people have elevated sensory awareness that are often a hindrance with electronics that are tuned to the vision/hearing of the masses. For example, I have pretty sharp ears and I can actually hear the GPU inside my laptop ramping up and drawing more electricity when I open graphics intensive apps, but none of my friends and family members can. Electric stoves make me go nuts with their high pitch buzzing sound.

And before you ask, yes, I know the difference between coil whine and the laptop fan.
 
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You just repeating “of course it does” doesn’t make it true. Old TVs never hurt me, and neither do OLEDs. What you are saying is that the fact there is no study is proof that it is bad? Or that it is unreasonable to study anything because a study could be bad, therefore we should just assume it this is bad?

Billions of people are exposed to this every day, and the only people complaining about it are a subset of forum posters who can never cite any proof.
I need no other proof than whenever i use any low freq pwm screen i am ****ed in few minutes… you dont have this problem, fine for you… and sure, plasma tvs were fine as well for almost everyone, except thise with more than average perupheral vision… and boy, that really was ugly seeing that flicker almost noone saw…
 
Just because you don’t experience his issue doesn’t make it untrue. Some people have elevated sensory awareness that are often times a hindrance with electronics that are tuned to the sight/hearing of the masses. For example, I have pretty sharp ears and I can actually hear the GPU inside my laptop ramping up and drawing more electricity when I open graphics intensive apps, but none of my friends and my family can. Electricity stoves make me go nuts with their high pitch buzzing sound.

And before you ask, yes, I know the difference between coil whine and the laptop fan.
It's like DLP projector rainbow effects. I could see the rainbow with slower spin speeds, but I no longer see it with current faster spin speeds, whereas many people just don't see it at all.

Luckily for me OLED PWM on Apple devices is not a significant issue.
 
Actually, I'm not missing out. I got the iPad Pro because I prefer mini LED over OLED. Same with TV - really don't want OLED on a TV either. In fact, I feel that you are missing out :)

OLED makes sense for a phone or watch (even though I opted for LCD there too). My only OLED device is actually the watch. Everything else in my home is LCD and I'm very happy about that. Sure, OLED looks great but the disadvantages are not worth the true blacks benefit. LCD all the way

My iPhone's display looks great. My Apple Watch looks great. My TV looks great. They're all OLED. Consumer-level microLED is years away. I feel sorry you're missing out on the best display tech there is right now.
 
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To be clear: AFAIK Kuo never claimed the Watch Series 7 would have a flat body (despite MacRumors' reporting). He claimed Watch Series 7 would get a form factor change, and it did. Other people (whom I tend to discount) claimed the stuff about the flat body.
Maybe you should take it up with MacRumors then…
 
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Maybe you should take it up with MacRumors then…
I did.

I didn't see a quote from Kuo specifically stating it would have a flat design. So either they just chose not to print that quote or else they conflated the quote about a form factor change (which came from Kuo and actually did happen) with claims of a flat design coming from other so-called leakers.
 
Whilst it is a pain in the backside. No one can blame Apple to delay it from a business point of view. The vast majority of people have no clue what the difference between LED, MiniLED or OLED are. So they'll keep the cgheapest technology in the products as long as possible. Especially as people still seem to lap it up every year.
 
Headache is a proof, eyestrain is a proof.
What do you think those studies will do?

They will take average people, divide them in groups and see who is effected and who is not and under what conditions.

if someone gets a headache etc. from the PMW then that person doesn't need a study to know the reality.
Gather enough people and you have data. This is not something that only tiny percentage complain about. Its actually fairly common hence why you see so many threads etc. about it.

But yeah, if you need a study then go ahead. Just would like to point out - in 90s there was a study that fat was bad and sugar is ok. Look how that turned out.
In 60s (or something like that) smoking was recommended by doctors because there were studies that proved benefits of smoking - and look how that turned out.

In the world of bias and selective process its really hard to get true and non biased study which makes it hard to believe anything these days. There will always be 2 sides of each story and each has its own agenda.
History proved that many many many times so studies are only good as long as they are:
A) correct
B) non biased
C) large enough
etc.etc.etc.

Most of them are not so why not trust your own experience etc.? If you have 100 people in a room and 10 will tell you that they suffer from it wouldn't that make it a valid concern?

You just repeating “of course it does” doesn’t make it true. Old TVs never hurt me, and neither do OLEDs. What you are saying is that the fact there is no study is proof that it is bad? Or that it is unreasonable to study anything because a study could be bad, therefore we should just assume it this is bad?

Billions of people are exposed to this every day, and the only people complaining about it are a subset of forum posters who can never cite any proof.
 
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Whilst it is a pain in the backside. No one can blame Apple to delay it from a business point of view. The vast majority of people have no clue what the difference between LED, MiniLED or OLED are. So they'll keep the cgheapest technology in the products as long as possible. Especially as people still seem to lap it up every year.
Most people don't buy premium products either. The lower end market doesn't buy iPad Airs. They buy iPads. However, you can be damn well sure that a lot of people who are willing to spend more money on their iPad Airs know the benefits of OLED. Not everyone of course, but a lot of people.
 
It makes it untrue for me. I never said it doesn't bother others, as I don't know that.
How come you assert your opinion as a matter of fact on things you don’t have the slightest clue about then? Can you point me to a study that makes this untrue for you?
 
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