I agree, the phantom braking at highway speeds is downright frightening and shows how far they have to go.
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Kuo: Apple Car Still in Early Stages, Unlikely to Launch Until 2025-2027 at Earliest
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Exactly. I keep hearing people talk about the experience apple has in manufacturing. They don’t really, they have a ton of experience in logistical manufacture planning but they aren‘t responsible for the actual manufacturing. Foxconn et al are responsible for getting the women and children to put the devices together.
I miss Car2Go. You can get any Mercedes you want by just paying for a membership. It was a very cool service but ahead of its time.
There are 6 million auto accidents per year and 40K deaths. Autonomous cars already exponentially safer. It will probably take two decades for the public to accept it but that doesn’t change the facts. Autonomous cars don’t eat, text, talk on the phone, put on makeup or all the other things that case accidents and fatalities every year.
Safe to buy a model 3 now, just save your car hunting. There’s model 3 then everything else
Nice try but moving the goal post is the mating call of a weak argument. Pipe dream? Don’t use words you don’t understand. A pipe dream means something that is likely impossible. Are you saying that a fully autonomous car is impossible? You’re clearly just here to argue and don’t have anything substantive to say on the subject. 👋
No. I’m saying we’re probably decades away from it.
Awwww thank you, you too!
I’m a massive Apple fanboi, but given how unreliable their services are (HomeKit, iMessage, Maps, etc) I am highly sceptical of their ability to produce a great non-self-driving car, let alone a self-driving one. If I tell my car to take me somewhere I want to be damn sure it’ll take me there accurate and safely, and if the car’s level of accuracy and reliability where the same as the services I’ve mentioned then I couldn’t be confident.
Obviously they won’t release a car if they can’t make it safe and reliable - that would be a potentially business ending PR disaster - but do they have the skills and organisation to make it as near-perfect as it would have to be, or will this just drag on and on until it gets cancelled? If they do have the skills and organisation to make it near-perfect, why are the services I mentioned not more reliable?
Obviously they won’t release a car if they can’t make it safe and reliable - that would be a potentially business ending PR disaster - but do they have the skills and organisation to make it as near-perfect as it would have to be, or will this just drag on and on until it gets cancelled? If they do have the skills and organisation to make it near-perfect, why are the services I mentioned not more reliable?
The problem is self-driving in some conditions is relatively easy (eg when it’s on a large, simply structured, well surfaced road, where you just have to stay between clearly painted lines and other traffic), while self-driving in others is very hard (unclear road markings, poor surfaces, complex layouts poorly marked, etc). It’s the same as most software problems really - if there a clear set of instructions to follow then computers do it better (faster and more reliably) than people. If reasoning, and even imagination, are required, people are better, for now.
So, the relevant question becomes - in what kind of driving do those deaths tend to occur? If it’s motorway driving then great, autonomous vehicles will save a lot of lives. If they tend to happen in the more complex environments though, then we may be a long long way from computers being safer than humans overall.
That’s not to say that lives can’t be saved just by letting computers do the bit they’re best at though! I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see motorways/highway/autobahns etc made computer-driver only in the near future (or the introduction of separate roads/lanes for them, with far higher speed limits).
What does Kuo mean by “the market is "overly bullish" about the Apple Car's launch schedule, and he has advised investors to avoid buying Apple Car-related stocks at this time.”
No one knows who would be a supplier yet so how could anyone invest in Apple Car related stocks?
No one knows who would be a supplier yet so how could anyone invest in Apple Car related stocks?
In my humble opinion, Apple is not building a car. Reason: it's ferociously expensive to build a production model, as Tesla found out really quick. 💸
What we may see is that Apple's self-driving technologies may end up on a car from a major automaker. Someone like Honda or even Mazda may want to do this when they finally get to large scale EV production.
What we may see is that Apple's self-driving technologies may end up on a car from a major automaker. Someone like Honda or even Mazda may want to do this when they finally get to large scale EV production.
There are also private options, such as the GoMentum facility at the old Concord Naval Weapons Station. For those out of the area, Concord is an hour away from Cupertino. AAA Northern California bought the facility a couple years ago.
Apple in Discussions With Bay Area Test Track Focused on Self-Driving Cars
Apple's work on its much-rumored Apple Car is progressing, and the company is said to be scouting for secure locations in the Bay Area where the vehicle can be tested, reports The Guardian. Engineers working on the car project are said to have met with officials at GoMentum Station in May to...
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Not to mention that literally everyone in the Bay Area is under an NDA. If I saw a bright red Apple Car being tested this morning at 11:30 on Stevens Creek Boulevard by City Fish, I couldn’t tell you about it.There are also private options, such as the GoMentum facility at the old Concord Naval Weapons Station. For those out of the area, Concord is an hour away from Cupertino. AAA Northern California bought the facility a couple years ago.
Apple in Discussions With Bay Area Test Track Focused on Self-Driving Cars
Apple's work on its much-rumored Apple Car is progressing, and the company is said to be scouting for secure locations in the Bay Area where the vehicle can be tested, reports The Guardian. Engineers working on the car project are said to have met with officials at GoMentum Station in May to...
There’s something inherently unsettling about Apple making a car.
Just opinion and to be fair an unfounded thought, but the essence of apple in last decade has been about opening new channels of income first and great products second.
Automobiles are simply not a foundational product for apple. The components of a phone and computer are a quantity of “n” with regards to logistics. A car is much more than a few phone parts. To be fair building the brains of a modern car are easily a part of Apples capability, but there’s a difference between knowing how to build a device that CAN navigate and a machine that CAN navigate with a few thousand parts moving in close formation, AND ensure safety to my child AND be safe for YEARS without needing to upgrade or worry about software updates. I don’t expect my phone to save me from dying. My car I do.
Apple has not shown me they can adequately handle bugs in new software releases. What in any person’s mind thinks it’s somehow going to be solved, easier, or not a problem for an entirely new manufacturing channel, new engineering capabilities they have no background in, and ENTIRELY NEW COMPANY from the ground up when those new introductions must be correct or I die or kill someone else if they’re not?. I WANT to believe it can be done, and Tesla has shown us it can, and well, but does anyone REALLY believe Apple really is doing this for the customer rather than a new channel of income to satisfy corporate goals or investor goals to feed the new behemoth machine? That makes a difference. Apple makes insanely great products (or used to). I might buy a phone on hype, (and just bought the m1 MB Air because it IS awesome) and maybe even want a car on hype, but buying something the cost of 32+ iPhones at once from a company who cares more about ensuring alignment to a certain political spectrum rather than making an automotive device that works for everyone is a bit unsettling.
In Reality I REALLY WANT to see what Apple’s ENGINEERS can make, but i feel we might just be in wonder at possibility rather than actuality made manifest in reality.
To be fair I’m plenty wrong many times and like any good hypothesis- it is certainly appropriate and healthy to disagree and feel I’m simply wrong until truth is brought forth to refute.
Just opinion and to be fair an unfounded thought, but the essence of apple in last decade has been about opening new channels of income first and great products second.
Automobiles are simply not a foundational product for apple. The components of a phone and computer are a quantity of “n” with regards to logistics. A car is much more than a few phone parts. To be fair building the brains of a modern car are easily a part of Apples capability, but there’s a difference between knowing how to build a device that CAN navigate and a machine that CAN navigate with a few thousand parts moving in close formation, AND ensure safety to my child AND be safe for YEARS without needing to upgrade or worry about software updates. I don’t expect my phone to save me from dying. My car I do.
Apple has not shown me they can adequately handle bugs in new software releases. What in any person’s mind thinks it’s somehow going to be solved, easier, or not a problem for an entirely new manufacturing channel, new engineering capabilities they have no background in, and ENTIRELY NEW COMPANY from the ground up when those new introductions must be correct or I die or kill someone else if they’re not?. I WANT to believe it can be done, and Tesla has shown us it can, and well, but does anyone REALLY believe Apple really is doing this for the customer rather than a new channel of income to satisfy corporate goals or investor goals to feed the new behemoth machine? That makes a difference. Apple makes insanely great products (or used to). I might buy a phone on hype, (and just bought the m1 MB Air because it IS awesome) and maybe even want a car on hype, but buying something the cost of 32+ iPhones at once from a company who cares more about ensuring alignment to a certain political spectrum rather than making an automotive device that works for everyone is a bit unsettling.
In Reality I REALLY WANT to see what Apple’s ENGINEERS can make, but i feel we might just be in wonder at possibility rather than actuality made manifest in reality.
To be fair I’m plenty wrong many times and like any good hypothesis- it is certainly appropriate and healthy to disagree and feel I’m simply wrong until truth is brought forth to refute.
A number of years ago, I was the recipient of an “inadvertent disclosure”. I was the only one in the meeting not cleared for the info, and I still remember the looks on the faces of the others when the guy said what he said. The security group shortly came to me with an agreement not to divulge, which I was fine with signing.
By then, cars will fly.
Honestly, I don't know why they haven't invested more into matter transport. Star Trek has accurately predicted nearly everything else that we enjoy today, but transporters are still fictional.
Honestly, I don't know why they haven't invested more into matter transport. Star Trek has accurately predicted nearly everything else that we enjoy today, but transporters are still fictional.